Comparing AMD to Intel - Athlon XP vs. P4

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: smashp
As a former Best buy Service center tech, you can let them know that their AMD system will be 5 times as likely as an
Intel System to have a cpu failure. You can also tell them that Best buy built computers (VPR MATRIX) wouldnt even touch an AMD CPUs.

That's actually a vote of confidence FOR AMD... The VPR Matrix machines have got to be the worst built pieces of garbage I have ever see. The entire line, notebooks to desktops, are massive pieces of substandard hardware, and I feel for anyone who has had the misfortune of owning one.

Btw, where are the numbers on the AMD CPU failures? I'd be honestly surprised if there were any difference.

 

[mrgoblin]

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[mrgoblin]

Wendys Spicy Chicken Sandwich. Wendy's, its good here. And now were open late!

 

[smashp]

I dont hate AMD systems and i am not bias to Intel. The hard facts are an Intel CPu either works or doesnt. Amd Cpu's have quirky problems, At least in the machines which Best buy sells. When I was employed in the best buy Service department, I replaced untold amounts of Athalon cpus. I could seriously count the Intel Failures I ever saw on 2 hands.

Plus the other humorous thing is, Customers often buy Pc's and return them without the CPu in them. It occasionally happens.


NEVER SAW ANYONE steal an amd cpu.


Now that I work in IT for a major consulting company, AMD DOESNT even EXIST. They are completly unseen.


AMD's only purpose is to keep those Quality Intel CPu prices LOW.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I dont hate AMD systems and i am not bias to Intel.

LOL! Just STFU you pathetic and laughable troll

No one is buying your bullsh*t propaganda, and is it just a coincidence that your user name can be interpreted as smashp? Hmmmmmm.....smash hp.....seeing as HP/Compaq is one of, if not the largest OEM distributer of AMD desktop and notebook systems, that user name then becomes a reflection of your all to overt and very obvious agenda. Given that, and the fact that you lie like a rug, I wouldn't except any other explanation of the handle anyways so don't bother

 

[smashp]

SMASHing Pumpkins

Guess your whole argument is null

 

[Jeff7181]

He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about since he thinks it's an AMD "Athalon"

Again I say, go to school, steve.

 

[smashp]

your right, im bias, your not.

Hell you own 2 amd systems.


Guess thats all those welfare checks buy.


Go get a job, then buy an Intel

 

[lordtyranus2]

Honestly, AMD is the better one for lower end (2.8 ghz or lower), and Intel is better for higher end (2.8 or higher).

But, if you're commissioned, always sell them the pricier intel. and don't forget the 9800 Pro as well.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus2
Honestly, AMD is the better one for lower end (2.8 ghz or lower), and Intel is better for higher end (2.8 or higher).

But, if you're commissioned, always sell them the pricier intel. and don't forget the 9800 Pro as well.

256 MB 9800 Pro... not just the 128...

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: smashp
your right, im bias, your not.

Hell you own 2 amd systems.


Guess thats all those welfare checks buy.


Go get a job, then buy an Intel

I never said you were bias... I said you need to go to school. You might also consider learning the names of the processors you claim to have worked with and have so much experience with.

 

[smashp]

athlon. sorry SP?


For example.

Best buy service centers keep freq used parts in stock for repair. They have an average number on hand based on weekly usage.

The only Intel Cpu's they ever kept in stock were slot 1 p3's on a limited basis.

They do keep about 10 k7-1200/200, 8 k7-1333/266, 3 XP1800+ instock regularly. This is because these particular cpu's fail frequently.

granted i am talking about after FW has expired and the best buy service plans kick in.

The service center I worked at (there are 16 nationwide) repaired about 70 pcs a day...

its about the normal weekly replacement of these Cpus. When i left there the Lower end Cpus were being used less and less and they were starting to stock higher end cpus.


Intel pentium 4s were not kept in stock. They were ordered form parts suppliers as needed due to how it made no sence to keep product in inventory that was rarely used.

 

[madcow235]

HAHAHAHHAHA wow Smashp this is funny. I build pcs around town for a few bucks on the side and i can tell you of the 200 Amd comps ive built not 1 has failed do to anything but a core i cracked *DOH* thats a damn good record. Now lets see no one wants intels after i tell them the difference but of the 50 i have built not one failed either so they have the same track records. And let me remind you of SNDS, sudden northwood death syndrome. Also since i have a 2.6ghz Amd i can honestly say that the whole welfare comment was BULLSHIT since my pc outperforms pretty much anyone on the market and cost me 1/5th of your intel. Intel are good for people who see numbers and get happy but they arent so good for the informed user.
And if you are an IT and work in a big company saying AMD doesnt exist is bullshit since all large companies are now switching over to Opterons since they save thousands yearly and have good track records. Then again you could work at one of the few remaining companies that use Itaniums, laugh, and i suggest telling your Boss to switch to opterons you might get a bonus for the increased productivity and decreased costs. And for an IT you are awfully uninformed.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: smashp
I dont hate AMD systems and i am not bias to Intel. The hard facts are an Intel CPu either works or doesnt. Amd Cpu's have quirky problems, At least in the machines which Best buy sells. When I was employed in the best buy Service department, I replaced untold amounts of Athalon cpus. I could seriously count the Intel Failures I ever saw on 2 hands.

It's Athlon. And as I said, then whoever designed them should be...OK, they should flogged. 39 lashes. The CPU is either going to die from overheating--a problem with the case, motherboard and heatsink used (yes, some had protection even way back when)--or it is going to die from people screwing with the innards of the machine, which SHOULD void warranty. I wouldn't know how good or bad these machines are, as I wouldn't get a prebuilt machine from any company but Dell.

Plus the other humorous thing is, Customers often buy Pc's and return them without the CPu in them. It occasionally happens.


NEVER SAW ANYONE steal an amd cpu.

Maybe because new AMDs are cheap enough that used ones don't sell for enough to make it worthwhile?

Now that I work in IT for a major consulting company, AMD DOESNT even EXIST. They are completly unseen.


AMD's only purpose is to keep those Quality Intel CPu prices LOW.

...and Intel's purpose is to make all these great AMD boxes good values. Gotta love the market.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: smashp
athlon. sorry SP?


For example.

Best buy service centers keep freq used parts in stock for repair. They have an average number on hand based on weekly usage.

The only Intel Cpu's they ever kept in stock were slot 1 p3's on a limited basis.

They do keep about 10 k7-1200/200, 8 k7-1333/266, 3 XP1800+ instock regularly. This is because these particular cpu's fail frequently.

granted i am talking about after FW has expired and the best buy service plans kick in.

The service center I worked at (there are 16 nationwide) repaired about 70 pcs a day...

its about the normal weekly replacement of these Cpus. When i left there the Lower end Cpus were being used less and less and they were starting to stock higher end cpus.


Intel pentium 4s were not kept in stock. They were ordered form parts suppliers as needed due to how it made no sence to keep product in inventory that was rarely used.

Nice. BB obviously has idiots. Ask anyone here who regularly builds systems...any who have been using Athlons maybe had 1 or 2 cases early on where they used a cheap PSU...that's it. Since that, you're going to be hard pressed to find a single failure.
...then again, most of us wouldn't recommend buying but a few brands of systems.

 

[Sahakiel]

Originally posted by: smashp
your right, im bias, your not.

Hell you own 2 amd systems.


Guess thats all those welfare checks buy.


Go get a job, then buy an Intel

Hm... nice system you got in your sig... INTEL Pentium4 3.0GHz...INTEL Canterwood board...
And all free, according to your description.

No wonder you're biased.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: madcow235
And if you are an IT and work in a big company saying AMD doesnt exist is bullshit since all large companies are now switching over to Opterons...

Wow.... ALL large companies are switching over to AMD???

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashp

Now that I work in IT for a major consulting company...

Please, whatever you do, don't touch the real systems that run the infrastructure you think is totaly 'pwned' by Intel, will ya? I don't want to have to keep on picking up the pieces people as clueless as you leave behind.

It's total IT n00b's like you that give genuine workers in the industry a bad rap. You sound like a bad PC repair man that went from retail to repair PC's for a large Corp. Well done, you'll be gone soon with you current attitude.

 

Would everyone just "Shut it!!!!"
It is getting kind of embarrassing. Finding it difficult to look at my screen.
This is not a comparison as the thread title states. This is just dumb. Both sides.
Some people should have their fingers removed because nothing good comes from them.

GM

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: madcow235
HAHAHAHHAHA wow Smashp this is funny. I build pcs around town for a few bucks on the side and i can tell you of the 200 Amd comps ive built not 1 has failed do to anything but a core i cracked *DOH* thats a damn good record. Now lets see no one wants intels after i tell them the difference but of the 50 i have built not one failed either so they have the same track records. And let me remind you of SNDS, sudden northwood death syndrome. Also since i have a 2.6ghz Amd i can honestly say that the whole welfare comment was BULLSHIT since my pc outperforms pretty much anyone on the market and cost me 1/5th of your intel. Intel are good for people who see numbers and get happy but they arent so good for the informed user.
And if you are an IT and work in a big company saying AMD doesnt exist is bullshit since all large companies are now switching over to Opterons since they save thousands yearly and have good track records. Then again you could work at one of the few remaining companies that use Itaniums, laugh, and i suggest telling your Boss to switch to opterons you might get a bonus for the increased productivity and decreased costs. And for an IT you are awfully uninformed.

Well I can tell you this, The current project i am involved in consists of deploying a citrix clustering solution. The servers that are being used Are The IBM Blade Variety. The company has 3 blade chasis and 2 of them are completly full. These new blade servers are so new that when talking to IBM support in setting up the management module (We had one doa), their engineers were excited becasue this is one of the first major deployment with Blades that they have got to work on. The current Crop Of these Intel servers Begin offering more power in a managed situation, that takes up a eigth of the space that any Opteron solution does and provides a guerrantee of system power to run those behemoth SQL servers and Citrix clusters. Companied purchase IT equipment, particulary servers based on reliability, fault Tolerance, and track record.


Right now AMD doesnt have the Track record to justify such a major purchase and their Fault tolerance solutons in a clustering enviroment arent the greatest.

Where do you get your info about IT firms switching their server farms over to Opterons? This is just not the current trend. The Opterons are an unproven solution for the long run. But You wouldnt know that. Cost is not the only factor that You take into consideration when buying a server or Servers.... it is one of the factors but the most important is reliability, uptime, tolerance and a return on investment. If you purchased servers based on the current amd falvor of the month and made decisions based on your "Ill Overclock it Attitude" You will go nowhere. May be fine for your home PC, But no major company with any concerns about risk will try out AMD right now to be their Primary Server solution provider.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: madcow235
HAHAHAHHAHA wow Smashp this is funny. I build pcs around town for a few bucks on the side and i can tell you of the 200 Amd comps ive built not 1 has failed do to anything but a core i cracked *DOH* thats a damn good record. Now lets see no one wants intels after i tell them the difference but of the 50 i have built not one failed either so they have the same track records. And let me remind you of SNDS, sudden northwood death syndrome. Also since i have a 2.6ghz Amd i can honestly say that the whole welfare comment was BULLSHIT since my pc outperforms pretty much anyone on the market and cost me 1/5th of your intel. Intel are good for people who see numbers and get happy but they arent so good for the informed user.
And if you are an IT and work in a big company saying AMD doesnt exist is bullshit since all large companies are now switching over to Opterons since they save thousands yearly and have good track records. Then again you could work at one of the few remaining companies that use Itaniums, laugh, and i suggest telling your Boss to switch to opterons you might get a bonus for the increased productivity and decreased costs. And for an IT you are awfully uninformed.

Well I can tell you this, The current project i am involved in consists of deploying a citrix clustering solution. The servers that are being used Are The IBM Blade Variety. The company has 3 blade chasis and 2 of them are completly full. These new blade servers are so new that when talking to IBM support in setting up the management module (We had one doa), their engineers were excited becasue this is one of the first major deployment with Blades that they have got to work on. The current Crop Of these Intel servers Begin offering more power in a managed situation, that takes up a eigth of the space that any Opteron solution does and provides a guerrantee of system power to run those behemoth SQL servers and Citrix clusters. Companied purchase IT equipment, particulary servers based on reliability, fault Tolerance, and track record.


Right now AMD doesnt have the Track record to justify such a major purchase and their Fault tolerance solutons in a clustering enviroment arent the greatest.

Where do you get your info about IT firms switching their server farms over to Opterons? This is just not the current trend. The Opterons are an unproven solution for the long run. But You wouldnt know that. Cost is not the only factor that You take into consideration when buying a server or Servers.... it is one of the factors but the most important is reliability, uptime, tolerance and a return on investment. If you purchased servers based on the current amd falvor of the month and made decisions based on your "Ill Overclock it Attitude" You will go nowhere. May be fine for your home PC, But no major company with any concerns about risk will try out AMD right now to be their Primary Server solution provider.

You know very little about very little.

Opteron Blade servers

 

[smashp]

UUHHHH the New Ibm xeon Blades take up less space. Stop looking at pictures now. So Know it all, Whats the dimension of their new chassis, How many "blades" does each chassis hold. Are the Ide, Scsi or either or go F$$$ yourself cause you dont know.


ohh here go take a look. And youll notice the size difference.


http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/bladecenter/chassis/model_detail.html


and your company newisys, They are just that NEW. They have NO customer Base, NO previos Products, and NO Reputation.

Would you buy your companies Servers from a tech startup fly by night?

Guess you know very little about very little.

Hell, you could of posted a link to IBm own opteron servers, yet you probely dont even know they exist. But the case is based on their sales......Nobody does.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashp
UUHHHH the New Ibm xeon Blades take up less space. Stop looking at pictures now. So Know it all, Whats the dimension of their new chassis, How many "blades" does each chassis hold. Are the Ide, Scsi or either or go F$$$ yourself cause you dont know.


ohh here go take a look. And youll notice the size difference.


http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/bladecenter/chassis/model_detail.html


and your company newisys, They are just that NEW. They have NO customer Base, NO previos Products, and NO Reputation.

Would you buy your companies Servers from a tech startup fly by night?

Guess you know very little about very little.

Hell, you could of posted a link to IBm own opteron servers, yet you probely dont even know they exist. But the case is based on their sales......Nobody does.

Wrong. You said it takes an '8th' of the space of a single opetron system, when in fact you can have 7 1U chassis in the same space as that IBM unit.

You have no idea.

Try here if you think I don't know anything about enterprise computing.

 

[smashp]

How many blades does the chassis hold.

I can fit 14 in one chassis, with managemnt modules and controls.


Yet again you fail to see the size difference in these Servers.


Plus the servers you posted links to were all 2u servers. You can fit 2 in the space i can fit This. plus after you add the extra's, its 1/8th the space. Right from IBM's sales Mouth.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashp
How many blades does the chassis hold.

I can fit 14 in one chassis, with managemnt modules and controls.


Yet again you fail to see the size difference in these Servers.

Your unit is 7U, the Newisis module is 1U. You work it out.