Comfort Women

[Dari]

I think post-WWII Jews should be a case study in what to do and what not to do after a long night of terror:
1. After suffering countless pogroms over thousands of years, they created a homeland for themselves at all cost.
2. They fortified this homeland heavily, mentally and physically, determined never to be the victim again of aggression by wild beasts or betrayed by their own government.
3. They integrated themselves deeply into the political-social-economic power centers of various nations. The organizational skills of Jews in America is phenomenal. This allows them to shoot well above their demographic weight.
4. They've demonized their historical and contemporary opponents to the point of being mere caricatures.
5. They've leveraged their intellectual, social, and economic heft to create a narrative that is both rigorous and serene...

All of this ensures that, should they fall, everything else comes down as well. In none of this have I seen the quartering of pigs (or any animal), the cutting off of fingers, chest-beating, or any other silly or pompous forms of entertainment. It is doubtful that any of this came about via a grand conspiracy. Instead, I'm sure the theme of "Never again" was omniprescent...

 

[rchiu]

I think the question the people in these conquered lands should be asking themselves is "What can we do to prevent this from happening again? How can we create a better government that defends us and looks after our interests so that we never encounter the war machine again?" That is what they should be asking. What they should not be doing is pointing the blame at others for their own failures. There are wild beasts out there ready, willing and able to do unimaginable things to anyone anywhere. The war machine brings that about. It's terrifying and spectacular at the same time. It's when men truly become gods. Awesome. The minor issue of whores is a distraction. People should be ashamed for using whores to shame others.

Is this "blame the victim" the best you can do to defend your honor-less, gutless and lying country?

Just because Japan happened to be stronger than Korea, China at that time, it was right for Japan to invade and occupy those countries? I guess you are the type of person who only cares about who is able or not able, and not what's right and what's wrong. If what you say is the truth, then fvck laws and regulation. Big corporation and companies can eat each one of us alive because they are able to and we just suck as individual to defend ourselves.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by all the bs arguments. People have already pointed out. All these are history and we should all moved on. Not many people would mention comfort women or know what it was all about, if you didn't raise it and try to defend it with all these bullshit arguments. You really are doing your own people and country a disservice with this kind of bs.

 

[cybrsage]

Instead, I'm sure the theme of "Never again" was omniprescent...

And still is. Jews know their only real hope is in Israel and its protection by God.

 

[shadow9d9]

I think post-WWII Jews should be a case study in what to do and what not to do after a long night of terror:
1. After suffering countless pogroms over thousands of years, they created a homeland for themselves at all cost.
2. They fortified this homeland heavily, mentally and physically, determined never to be the victim again of aggression by wild beasts or betrayed by their own government.
3. They integrated themselves deeply into the political-social-economic power centers of various nations. The organizational skills of Jews in America is phenomenal. This allows them to shoot well above their demographic weight.
4. They've demonized their historical and contemporary opponents to the point of being mere caricatures.
5. They've leveraged their intellectual, social, and economic heft to create a narrative that is both rigorous and serene...

All of this ensures that, should they fall, everything else comes down as well. In none of this have I seen the quartering of pigs (or any animal), the cutting off of fingers, chest-beating, or any other silly or pompous forms of entertainment. It is doubtful that any of this came about via a grand conspiracy. Instead, I'm sure the theme of "Never again" was omniprescent...

You mean use a massacre as an excuse to massacre another people and steal their land through military force and global sympathy?

 

[Dari]

Is this "blame the victim" the best you can do to defend your honor-less, gutless and lying country?

Just because Japan happened to be stronger than Korea, China at that time, it was right for Japan to invade and occupy those countries? I guess you are the type of person who only cares about who is able or not able, and not what's right and what's wrong. If what you say is the truth, then fvck laws and regulation. Big corporation and companies can eat each one of us alive because they are able to and we just suck as individual to defend ourselves.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by all the bs arguments. People have already pointed out. All these are history and we should all moved on. Not many people would mention comfort women or know what it was all about, if you didn't raise it and try to defend it with all these bullshit arguments. You really are doing your own people and country a disservice with this kind of bs.

You make it sound as if morals are absolute and monolithic. They aren't. Their enforcements certainly aren't. That is why I wrote the famous Japanese saying, 文武両道, earlier. I'm sure you understand. In the West we have a belief that the 'pen is mightier than the sword'. That's bullshit. The Japanese saying is that the 'pen and sword are in accord'. They are equal. One is needed for stability and the other is needed to enforce that stability. It's a symbiotic relationship. You can make your moral or contractual argument all day everyday but it means nothing 1) if it isn't shared and 2) not enforceable.

I hope you understand.

 

[CitizenKain]

Yep. They were. And we celebrate the bushido culture as we should. No different from the various military religions we celebrate. Schools and universities name as their mascots wild beasts but we shy away from our very own? That makes no sense.

Yea, lets celebrate the bushido culture of rape and massacring innocents. Bushido culture is pure bullshit only celebrated by manchildren.

 

[CitizenKain]

It's when men truly become gods. Awesome. The minor issue of whores is a distraction. People should be ashamed for using whores to shame others.

No, Japan should be ashamed at systematically raping thousands of people. Then again, shame implies some sort of moral standing, which has been proven most emphatically that you don't have.

 

[Dari]

Yea, lets celebrate the bushido culture of rape and massacring innocents. Bushido culture is pure bullshit only celebrated by manchildren.

Let me guess, you're a manly man, right?

 

[Dari]

No, Japan should be ashamed at systematically raping thousands of people. Then again, shame implies some sort of moral standing, which has been proven most emphatically that you don't have.

Should? Systematically raping? Do you have any proof that any rapes were systemic? Also, I am a moral person. I have my religion and you have yours. However, unless you have a gun to my head, don't think you can force yours upon me...

 

[davmat787]

After reviewing this thread, I am beginning to wonder if Dari being someones "comfort woman" in prison would have a quicker effect on him coming to several realizations.

 

[TerryMathews]

After reviewing this thread, I am beginning to wonder if Dari being someones "comfort woman" in prison would have a quicker effect on him coming to several realizations.

By his logic, he would have no one to blame but himself for being weak.

 

[alkemyst]

Yea, lets celebrate the bushido culture of rape and massacring innocents. Bushido culture is pure bullshit only celebrated by manchildren.

Bushidio as linked to the war was bastardized via propaganda.

Not much different than American conditioned it's soldiers.

 

[alkemyst]

No, Japan should be ashamed at systematically raping thousands of people. Then again, shame implies some sort of moral standing, which has been proven most emphatically that you don't have.

Rape happens in all wars. Much of the prostitution in Vietnam and Korean wars was due to American GI's willing to pay to play and often using funny money or not paying (which then is rape).

 

[bononos]

Dari, you are severely confused. Delusional, actually. "...a business dispute"? That implies consent on both sides. Other than the first group of women who were recruited in Japan, there was no consent on the womens' side. "Pimps/recruiters"? Thats awfully generous.

Im not sure how you became so delusionally brainwashed in this issue, as its pretty well documented what happened. You have made progress though in this thread. You admitted you were wrong about it not being systemic, so thats good. But seriously, you are blindly ignoring the evidence and the facts and choosing to believe what you want. Good for you, I guess, as long as you understand youre living in your own fantasy and revisionist history.

This thread has gone round and round without recognizing that a political realist like Dari only believes in the dictum that might makes right and any moral considerations are irrelevant. So I have not bothered to question that belief (as repugnant as it is), what I did question was his assertion that those 'whores' as he put it were not part of some systematic action by the Japanese army.

Dari's OP quoted some wiki article which did not support his assertion in the least and Dari has gone on and on about 'show me the proof' which no one in this thread has done yet (I think) but continue to hammer on about how unethical/cruel/etc the Japanese were which is irrelevant to Dari's pov.

 

[rchiu]

You make it sound as if morals are absolute and monolithic. They aren't. Their enforcements certainly aren't. That is why I wrote the famous Japanese saying, 文武両道, earlier. I'm sure you understand. In the West we have a belief that the 'pen is mightier than the sword'. That's bullshit. The Japanese saying is that the 'pen and sword are in accord'. They are equal. One is needed for stability and the other is needed to enforce that stability. It's a symbiotic relationship. You can make your moral or contractual argument all day everyday but it means nothing 1) if it isn't shared and 2) not enforceable.

I hope you understand.

I don't know how you can discuss 文武両道 while shamelessly defend what Japanese did during WW2. The very meaning of 文武両道 is the balance of power and civility. The phrase started during the Edo period and the Tokugawa Shogunate asked their warriors and samurais to study literature and civility to balance their tendency for war and killing. The very reason Tokugawa Shogunate did that was to transition Japan from a warring period to a period of peace and prosperity.

Sorry man, just because you don't have moral doesn't mean moral doesn't exist in this world. From a humanity perspective, Japan committed horrible crime. From political perspective, Japanese failed to treat their occupied territories with fairness and respect. As a result, they lost WW2, they got bombed, and made lots of enemies that will last for generations. It's pathetic that you don't realize that it's morally wrong, and it's politically wrong to continue with the shameless defense of your actions, because it doesn't get you anywhere.

 

[Dari]

I don't know how you can discuss 文武両道 while shamelessly defend what Japanese did during WW2. The very meaning of 文武両道 is the balance of power and civility. The phrase started during the Edo period and the Tokugawa Shogunate asked their warriors and samurais to study literature and civility to balance their tendency for war and killing. The very reason Tokugawa Shogunate did that was to transition Japan from a warring period to a period of peace and prosperity.

Sorry man, just because you don't have moral doesn't mean moral doesn't exist in this world. From a humanity perspective, Japan committed horrible crime. From political perspective, Japanese failed to treat their occupied territories with fairness and respect. As a result, they lost WW2, they got bombed, and made lots of enemies that will last for generations. It's pathetic that you don't realize that it's morally wrong, and it's politically wrong to continue with the shameless defense of your actions, because it doesn't get you anywhere.

You come across as a decent human being in my previous encounters with you. A good man with a good heart. However, your attempt to beat me over the head with this moral argument does not phase me the least. I'm not moved by human suffering. This is doubly so for those who like to blame their suffering on the aggressor. If a snake bites you do you consider the snake to be immoral? No, it's a snake. It bites. Same goes for an aggressor. Your anger should be pointed towards the failure of the Chinese government and its security apparatus at the time. Many Chinese have recognized this. That is why they call the time leading up to that period their 'century of humiliation'. If you want to move forward, you need to recognize your own failures first and seek to correct them.

Also, you should not be so passionate about these things. It can only create stress and shorten your life-span...

 

[rchiu]

You come across as a decent human being in my previous encounters with you. A good man with a good heart. However, your attempt to beat me over the head with this moral argument does not phase me the least. I'm not moved by human suffering. This is doubly so for those who like to blame their suffering on the aggressor. If a snake bites you do you consider the snake to be immoral? No, it's a snake. It bites. Same goes for an aggressor. Your anger should be pointed towards the failure of the Chinese government and its security apparatus at the time. Many Chinese have recognized this. That is why they call the time leading up to that period their 'century of humiliation'. If you want to move forward, you need to recognize your own failures first and seek to correct them.

Also, you should not be so passionate about these things. It can only create stress and shorten your life-span...

Don't worry about me, I got time to kill. If you want to equate Japanese to snakes, I have no argument or problem with that. But if you want to discuss how human being should behave in a human society and civilization, we should recognize we are not animal and we follow certain rules.

And let's stop try and shift the blame. Japanese was the one doing the deed, there is no if and buts. They are the one committing those despicable acts, Chinese and Korean government didn't ask them to, or invited them to. There are no shame in failing to defend a country, throughout history, many fought and died honorably but still failed to defend their home and country. Are you going to equate those people to those animals that rape women and kill children just because they can?

 

[RampantAndroid]

After reviewing this thread, I am beginning to wonder if Dari being someones "comfort woman" in prison would have a quicker effect on him coming to several realizations.

Yeah, this thread is one giant "wtf?"

Welp, mIgnoreListCount++

Another nutjob on AT discovered.

 

[cybrsage]

You come across as a decent human being in my previous encounters with you. A good man with a good heart. However, your attempt to beat me over the head with this moral argument does not phase me the least. I'm not moved by human suffering. This is doubly so for those who like to blame their suffering on the aggressor. If a snake bites you do you consider the snake to be immoral? No, it's a snake. It bites. Same goes for an aggressor. Your anger should be pointed towards the failure of the Chinese government and its security apparatus at the time. Many Chinese have recognized this. That is why they call the time leading up to that period their 'century of humiliation'. If you want to move forward, you need to recognize your own failures first and seek to correct them.

Also, you should not be so passionate about these things. It can only create stress and shorten your life-span...

You do know people kill snakes who appear to want to hurt people, right? We consider them to be bad and ensure they are not anywhere near people.

If you want to say the Japanese should be killed and not allowed around other people, then I say you have issues.

 

[CitizenKain]

Let me guess, you're a manly man, right?

I'm not you, so yes.

 

[Dari]

Don't worry about me, I got time to kill. If you want to equate Japanese to snakes, I have no argument or problem with that. But if you want to discuss how human being should behave in a human society and civilization, we should recognize we are not animal and we follow certain rules.

And let's stop try and shift the blame. Japanese was the one doing the deed, there is no if and buts. They are the one committing those despicable acts, Chinese and Korean government didn't ask them to, or invited them to. There are no shame in failing to defend a country, throughout history, many fought and died honorably but still failed to defend their home and country. Are you going to equate those people to those animals that rape women and kill children just because they can?

Human beings are animals.

 

[Dari]

You do know people kill snakes who appear to want to hurt people, right? We consider them to be bad and ensure they are not anywhere near people.

If you want to say the Japanese should be killed and not allowed around other people, then I say you have issues.

The point was not in the response to the snake biting you. The point was in the labelling of the snake. Do you judge a snake for its natural tendacies or in spite of them?

 

[Dari]

I'm not you, so yes.

Good for you, buddy. You win the Internets Award. Go and do your victory dance.

 

[Phanuel]

If you want to move forward, you need to recognize your own failures first and seek to correct them.

Also, you should not be so passionate about these things. It can only create stress and shorten your life-span...

Clearly following your own advice is impossible here.

 

[cybrsage]

The point was not in the response to the snake biting you. The point was in the labelling of the snake. Do you judge a snake for its natural tendacies or in spite of them?

Yes. If I see a Rattlesnake in my house I am going to judge him and act accordingly. I will make the judgement that he will attempt to poison me at some point so I will move to kill him now.

Some may instead make the move to have the snake safely removed from all human contact, forcing it to be away from civilization instead. Same basic result, judging based on the known tendancies of the snake.

I would do the same with a black widow spider. I would also act to ensure a convicted child molester stays away from children.