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Dari

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TerryMathews said:
Right. Because I'm sure the conversation was "you know, we've been thinking about this Jew situation and off you don't mind too much we'd like to take care of it for you."

I imagine it was "if you want to be allies, load your Jews on this box car. If not, we'll be invading Friday."

None of the German protectorates were allies in the traditional voluntary sense. Just like the USSR - it was voluntary until you wanted to leave.
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You mean like the United States?
 
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Dari

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Dari

Lifer
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CallMeJoe said:
There's a great deal of wiggle room in your "more or less". A lot of citizens of these "allies, more or less" ended up in labor camps and death camps. I suppose they were all volunteers, like the "comfort women"?


Since it appears you can still read my posts, have you any response to my previous:
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Not sure how that changes anything.
 
CallMeJoe

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Dari said:
What does that have to do with Japan? Were there pedophiles in the Japanese Army? Maybe, considering 10% of all animals are gay. But I think the allegations are fantastic.
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Besides your other many peculiarities, are you also one of those imbeciles who conflate gays with pedophiles?
 
CallMeJoe

CallMeJoe

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Dari said:
Actually it doesn't. Think about it for a second.
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Anyone who thinks about it for more than a second would reject your differentiation between Imperial Japanese military and civilian authority completely, along with all your other rationalizations.
 
AreaCode707

AreaCode707

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After reading this thread and evaluating Dari's ethics, morals and logic, I think I've figured out where Kim Il Sung posts in his down time.
/sarcasm

In all honesty, reading his statements, denials of reality and victim-blaming definitely helps me come closer to understanding the merciless thought process of a dictator. I've always wondered how any sane human being can justify themselves when faced with horrible things.
 
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Infohawk

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yllus said:
I think that the idea that it's the government of a civilian population that is at fault is sort of interesting but ultimately incorrect. If you are the leader of France and Nazi Germany's superior numbers and arms have overrun you, is it your fault that thousands of your people have died and will continue to die in a unwinnable war? No, that's ridiculous - the aggressor is ultimately at fault for that.

But I do think the leaders of France could be blamed for having poor intelligence on what exactly was brewing in Germany, for having inferior troop numbers, training and equipment, for not having the right alliances in place that would make the Nazis blink, and so forth. The leaders of France did let their people down in some ways. I wouldn't go as far as to say that the ultimate burden of guilt fell upon them, though.
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I don't really think that's what Dari's main point is and if it is then it's obvious and nobody's really disputing it. Sure, leaders of defeated countries make mistakes and we'd prefer if they didn't if we like that country. So what? Like you say the unjust aggressor is still at fault.
 
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Dari

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CallMeJoe said:
I reread and studied your post and find my response was, if anything, too generous.
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Pedophilia, like homosexuality, is a natural aberration. It is a rarity vis-a-vis the 'normal' population. I don't care for political correctness, just trying to say it like it is.
 
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Dari

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Infohawk said:
I don't really think that's what Dari's main point is and if it is then it's obvious and nobody's really disputing it. Sure, leaders of defeated countries make mistakes and we'd prefer if they didn't if we like that country. So what? Like you say the unjust aggressor is still at fault.
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Do you listen to yourself and the meaning of what you're saying? I don't understand how you, or anyone, can make that statement for humans and something completely different for animals. If a prey is captured and killed, the Darwinian quotes are predictable and expected. Why is it different for human civilization? Are we not animals? Are we better? Has human civilization developed to the point where bad is good and vice versa? Are we supposed to coddle the weak and put down the strong? What sense does that make?
 
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Dari

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AreaCode707 said:
After reading this thread and evaluating Dari's ethics, morals and logic, I think I've figured out where Kim Il Sung posts in his down time.
/sarcasm

In all honesty, reading his statements, denials of reality and victim-blaming definitely helps me come closer to understanding the merciless thought process of a dictator. I've always wondered how any sane human being can justify themselves when faced with horrible things.
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I suggest you don't watch nature shows or stay out of business since you don't have a strong stomach for how the world really works? Or is that your double standard?
 
AreaCode707

AreaCode707

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Dari said:
I suggest you don't watch nature shows or stay out of business since you don't have a strong stomach for how the world really works? Or is that your double standard?
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I started corporate life in a telecom company you've probably bought service from, moved to a role at the world's largest online retailer and am now a product manager at one of the leading SaaS companies in the US. Oh, and we live on a small farm and butcher our goats ourselves and shot a bear last year when it ate our livestock. Pick a different plan of attack to discredit me.

I recognize the difference between the animal world and the human world. I marvel and am apalled at anyone who can't.
 
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Dari

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Not sure what you do in the corporate world but I can appreciate you killing what you eat. Not sure what I say frightens you though.


People should remember that the comfort women were recruited by local Koreans and Chinese. The Japanese did their part and paid the pimps/recruiters who may have refused to compensate their whores. This issue is still discussed today because it happened during wartime. But it's nothing more than a business dispute between a pimp and his hos. Those asking for compensation should remember that, in order for Korea and Japan to normalize relations, the Japanese government compensated Korea for these 'crimes' and, as part of the agreement, (the Koreans) did not allow individuals to sue for compensation. However, they've failed spectacularly in keeping their end of the bargain. Koreans...
 
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WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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Lol at OP thinking his relatives were heroic warriors when they were, in fact, women killing child rapists.
 
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rchiu

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Dari said:
Not sure what you do in the corporate world but I can appreciate you killing what you eat. Not sure what I say frightens you though.


People should remember that the comfort women were recruited by local Koreans and Chinese. The Japanese did their part and paid the pimps/recruiters who may have refused to compensate their whores. This issue is still discussed today because it happened during wartime. But it's nothing more than a business dispute between a pimp and his hos. Those asking for compensation should remember that, in order for Korea and Japan to normalize relations, the Japanese government compensated Korea for these 'crimes' and, as part of the agreement, (the Koreans) did not allow individuals to sue for compensation. However, they've failed spectacularly in keeping their end of the bargain. Koreans...
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Are you fvcking serious? You think Japanese ask the local nicely and pay them for anything without pointing a gun at them? You think the locals did anything out of free will? Seriously? You don't understand what "occupation" mean?

Those pimps or recruiters, even if they were locals for the sake of argument, has no choice but to obey Japanese order, or it's their head on the pike and their wife and daughters getting raped. It was Japanese who force them to lie and kidnap women for Japanese military. And do you have any contract to prove that it was the recruiters who were suppose to pay those comfort women? Really, how the hell did you come out with that? out of your ass? How many lies are you going to put up to defend your beloved comrades.

See this is where I have much more respect for German than Japanese. At least German don't try to rewrite text books or deny the existence of things like Holocaust. You Japanese keep trying to deny the crime you committed in WW2. Sorry man, the entire Asia will not forget nor forgive, especially when you keep denying and don't find the courage and decency to apologize.
 
Zeze

Zeze

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LOL silly OP.

Feeling stupid and just trying to save face with pretend ignorance.

Yes, your people committed some disgusting crap. Big deal, accept it and move on. Stop being brainwashed by your govt propaganda. Your nationality isn't the only thing that defines your identity.

Wake up and grow up.
 
yllus

yllus

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Infohawk said:
I don't really think that's what Dari's main point is and if it is then it's obvious and nobody's really disputing it. Sure, leaders of defeated countries make mistakes and we'd prefer if they didn't if we like that country. So what? Like you say the unjust aggressor is still at fault.
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I figured I'd try to get something useful out of this ridiculous thread. Dari seems obsessed with an antiquated notion of masculine honour and duty that sounds suspiciously close to Imperial Japan-era bushido. There's no point in people on a message board trying to shake the sense into someone who's acting this silly.
 
cybrsage

cybrsage

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Every nation and people group have done some terrible things in the past. They key is to accept it and move on, not pretend it never happened.
 
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