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ivwshane

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Your talking points shows your lack of scrutiny.

Once again, and hopefully for the last time, we see James Comey's insatiable appetite for self-aggrandizement. He literally believes he is the only honest man on the planet.

Something tells me you don't know what the word, "literally" means.

Multiple problems with what he is saying:

--Why did he decide to start writing memos on the conversations with the President, his boss, even before he was inaugurated? He did so immediately after their first meeting, even though he himself admits the President had said nothing to him that raised alarm. This sounds extortionate, at its worst, and over the top boyscoutish--as if he assumed Trump would be bad--at its best. I've been a boss, many of us have been, and you always know the employees who are keeping book on you, in the hopes of destroying you at a time convenient to them, or for use in getting something they want. In my professional career, these employees were almost universally problem children, and this behavior was never considered honorable. Honorable employees would immediately, in the open, call you out, sometimes to your face, or report you to your boss, if you did something which broke the rules or was inappropriate. The mere writing of the memos is not honorable.

He started keeping memos of his interactions because he felt something was odd that trump wanted to see him about sticking around for his job. The oddness being that the director of the FBI, is a ten year appointment. Why would he need to talk about staying on?

--Comey wrote no memos for the conversations he had with President Obama. And he repeatedly, on many occassions, refused to discuss his conversations with President Obama, stating it was his policy that conversations with the President were private, when asked under oath in Congressional hearings. in other words, one standard for Obama, but a different standard for Trump.

Comey had two conversation with Obama while he was president and one of those conversations was to say goodbye.

--He alleges, that he believes the President was trying to obstruct the FBI's Flynn investigation, even though, by his own admission, the President didn't stop, or order him to stop, the Flynn investigation. And in fact, Comey continued the investigation unobstructed. But he makes the serious charge of obstruction of justice--an offense that he knows would be impeachable--yet he decided to keep it secret, from all but a few FBI leaders, even though he was the Chief law enforcement officer for the nation and had just witnessed, what he apparently believed, to be a serious crime and a serious violation of the FBI's independence. In my professional experience, an employee who witnesses a crime, money stolen, sexual harassment, etc., and doesn't report it, is considered almost complicit in the crime. Its considered a serious violation in and of itself.

Comey made no such charge.

--What did he do with this information that the President had committed a serious crime? He kept it "closely held" and pocketed it, for use "down the road." This doesn't sound honorable, it sounds extortionate. Keep the goods on your boss, so that when you get in a jam, you can use it to get what you want. He himself recognizes the disconnect between his allegation and his actions, and so, once again, he explains his actions, as he did in the Clinton investigation, as necessary, because, once again, he is the only honest man in the room. He alleges he couldn't say anything to the Attorney General, because he was compromised in the Russia investigation and would soon, even though he hadn't yet, recuse himself. And he couldn't say anything to the acting Deputy Attorney General, because they would soon be gone. Despite what might be coming, at the time of the alleged crime, both the Attorney General, and his Deputy, were fully empowered to hear Comey out, so Comey's explanation makes no sense. And he is silent on why he didn't say anything--given his allegation of the seriousness of the matter--to the Congress. Even though now, three months after the fact, and after being fired, he is all too willing to tell them all about it and to emphasize how serous it is.

Sessions was on the verge of recusing himself, why would he discuss this with someone who has a conflict of interest?

--His actions look more consitent with extortion, than trying to do what is right. Keeping the goods on the President "closely held" and for use "down the road" has, at minimum, the appearance of wanting to hold the matter over the President's head, consistent with an effort to keep his job as FBI Director. He won't say this, of course, because it would hardly comport with his self image of being the only honest man in the room. Read, I wanted to remain FBI Director and not lose my job, so I didn't want to accuse the President, and I thought if I kept this in my backpocket he would leave me alone, and if he didn't, I could use it, along with all the memos I wrote, to manipulate him into keeping me on the job. Comey admits that in their first private dinner, Trump brought up his job, and that he told him that he "loved" his job, and wanted to stay, so it was on his mind.

So comeys actions looked like extortion but telling comey to make the Flynn investigation go away and asking comey to clear the air regarding trump and the Russians along with a loyalty pledge is nothing. Lol

Are these acts--keeping tabs on your boss behind his back, accusing your boss of a serious crime, but not to his face, and only months after, after you have been fired, not reporting the crime but holding it for later use, and reversing your preexisting policy of not discussing your conversations with the President, the actions of an honorable man?

Sounds like victim blaming to me.

No, because, unlike his self-image, James Comey is not the only honest man in the room.

The President was right in firing Comey. And Comey's actions in this matter prove it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-fbi-james-comey-230491

Democrats declare open season on Jim Comey

Had he fired him when he first came to office, for said reasons (the reasons his press secretary gave and not the one trump gave to Lester holt on tv. Lol), I'm sure dems would have cheered. However, to fire someone like the FBI director once it's known your campaign and admin officials were under investigation, it's no longer acceptable.
 

zinfamous

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Once again, and hopefully for the last time, we see James Comey's insatiable appetite for self-aggrandizement. He literally believes he is the only honest man on the planet.

Multiple problems with what he is saying:

--Why did he decide to start writing memos on the conversations with the President, his boss, even before he was inaugurated? He did so immediately after their first meeting, even though he himself admits the President had said nothing to him that raised alarm. This sounds extortionate, at its worst, and over the top boyscoutish--as if he assumed Trump would be bad--at its best. I've been a boss, many of us have been, and you always know the employees who are keeping book on you, in the hopes of destroying you at a time convenient to them, or for use in getting something they want. In my professional career, these employees were almost universally problem children, and this behavior was never considered honorable. Honorable employees would immediately, in the open, call you out, sometimes to your face, or report you to your boss, if you did something which broke the rules or was inappropriate. The mere writing of the memos is not honorable.

--Comey wrote no memos for the conversations he had with President Obama. And he repeatedly, on many occassions, refused to discuss his conversations with President Obama, stating it was his policy that conversations with the President were private, when asked under oath in Congressional hearings. in other words, one standard for Obama, but a different standard for Trump.

--He alleges, that he believes the President was trying to obstruct the FBI's Flynn investigation, even though, by his own admission, the President didn't stop, or order him to stop, the Flynn investigation. And in fact, Comey continued the investigation unobstructed. But he makes the serious charge of obstruction of justice--an offense that he knows would be impeachable--yet he decided to keep it secret, from all but a few FBI leaders, even though he was the Chief law enforcement officer for the nation and had just witnessed, what he apparently believed, to be a serious crime and a serious violation of the FBI's independence. In my professional experience, an employee who witnesses a crime, money stolen, sexual harassment, etc., and doesn't report it, is considered almost complicit in the crime. Its considered a serious violation in and of itself.

--What did he do with this information that the President had committed a serious crime? He kept it "closely held" and pocketed it, for use "down the road." This doesn't sound honorable, it sounds extortionate. Keep the goods on your boss, so that when you get in a jam, you can use it to get what you want. He himself recognizes the disconnect between his allegation and his actions, and so, once again, he explains his actions, as he did in the Clinton investigation, as necessary, because, once again, he is the only honest man in the room. He alleges he couldn't say anything to the Attorney General, because he was compromised in the Russia investigation and would soon, even though he hadn't yet, recuse himself. And he couldn't say anything to the acting Deputy Attorney General, because they would soon be gone. Despite what might be coming, at the time of the alleged crime, both the Attorney General, and his Deputy, were fully empowered to hear Comey out, so Comey's explanation makes no sense. And he is silent on why he didn't say anything--given his allegation of the seriousness of the matter--to the Congress. Even though now, three months after the fact, and after being fired, he is all too willing to tell them all about it and to emphasize how serous it is.

--His actions look more consitent with extortion, than trying to do what is right. Keeping the goods on the President "closely held" and for use "down the road" has, at minimum, the appearance of wanting to hold the matter over the President's head, consistent with an effort to keep his job as FBI Director. He won't say this, of course, because it would hardly comport with his self image of being the only honest man in the room. Read, I wanted to remain FBI Director and not lose my job, so I didn't want to accuse the President, and I thought if I kept this in my backpocket he would leave me alone, and if he didn't, I could use it, along with all the memos I wrote, to manipulate him into keeping me on the job. Comey admits that in their first private dinner, Trump brought up his job, and that he told him that he "loved" his job, and wanted to stay, so it was on his mind.

Are these acts--keeping tabs on your boss behind his back, accusing your boss of a serious crime, but not to his face, and only months after, after you have been fired, not reporting the crime but holding it for later use, and reversing your preexisting policy of not discussing your conversations with the President, the actions of an honorable man?

No, because, unlike his self-image, James Comey is not the only honest man in the room.

The President was right in firing Comey. And Comey's actions in this matter prove it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-fbi-james-comey-230491

Democrats declare open season on Jim Comey

So, basically:

"He's not black, this Trump. So I love him and all of his 'faults'"
 

UNCjigga

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It will be very interesting to see what Republicans do when confronted with a statement from Comey that basically confirms Trump took very similar actions to Nixon in Watergate. I for one am looking forward to the mental gymnastics and desperate attempts to ask about literally anything else. I hope I'm wrong.

Dude, that was 40+ years ago. The country has changed, Congress has changed, the rules have changed. The situation is much more complex and the president's intent is unclear. You can't compare this with Watergate. Hey, what's going on with all these leaks? Reality Winner, amirite??!!


Was that agile enough for you?? ;)
 
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umbrella39

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Nice to see IGTB as clueless as ever... except for the fact that his usual once a quarter shit and run post was an inane Wall of Dumbfuckery this time.. nothing to see here...
 
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AnandThenMan

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Your talking points shows your lack of scrutiny.



Had he fired him when he first came to office, for said reasons (the reasons his press secretary gave and not the one trump gave to Lester holt on tv. Lol), I'm sure dems would have cheered. However, to fire someone like the FBI director once it's known your campaign and admin officials were under investigation, it's no longer acceptable.
There is one giant problem with what you are saying. Trump firing Comey does exactly zero to stop any investigation.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Not really. Impeachment is a political process not a legal one. Obstruction of justice seems to be the commonality of the past impeachments.

That's true but each case was in a different era. Nixon's behavior was not only egregious but the acts were demonstrable beyond any reasonable doubt. Clinton wasn't truthful before Congress and that caught him.

Trump however has a different sort of Republican than Nixon and they must go along with Dems on impeachment since they control Congress. In fact there must be a lot of them because the Senate requires 2/3 majority to convict. With Trumps backers breathing down their necks they are going to want what is pretty much and airtight case. Impeachment is possible, but I think realpolitik required a serious breach with legal repercussions and more than the minimum to convict.
 

Sea Ray

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It will be very interesting to see what Republicans do when confronted with a statement from Comey that basically confirms Trump took very similar actions to Nixon in Watergate. I for one am looking forward to the mental gymnastics and desperate attempts to ask about literally anything else. I hope I'm wrong.

Republicans will do nothing because there's nothing they need to do. Unless a crime was committed, you let the Trump haters bark at the moon for a few days and then get on with the country's business next week.
 
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You need to read Comey's statement again.
Why would he need to? Trump said in an interview with Lester Holt that the Russia investigation was his motivating factor. What Comeys statement does is make it seem likely he fired him for not coming out and saying publicly that Trump wasn't under investigation. That seems to be the recurring thing in all of this.
 

FIVR

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I am dismayed to see so many rational liberals fall in love with James Comey. I admit: The man is attractive, beguiling, and easy to listen to. His baritone crooning, when focused on a Trumpish note, is most pleasing...


But, do not forget! This man was manipulated by Russian intelligence to believe fake news. This man got Trump, without a doubt the worst leader in the history of this country, elected in the first place! He is the whole reason we are all in this predicament. His actions may hasten the end of the world, and that is not an exaggeration. Do not praise this grandstanding GOP shill like he is something to be admired. Yes, he can write. Yes, he is clever. Yes, he is 9 feet tall. NONE OF THAT MATTERS WHEN YOU CONSIDER HIS PAST!


Nonetheless, James Comey retains one virtue, honesty, and he may yet redeem himself tomorrow. I know when James Comey decides he wants to ruin a political career, he is usually successful. He turned Martha Stewart into a felon, he destroyed Hillary Clinton's political career, and I'm praying he will bring that same game to this Trump hearing. He has nothing to lose.
 
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I am dismayed to see so many rational liberals fall in love with James Comey. I admit: The man is attractive, beguiling, and easy to listen to. His baritone crooning, when focused on a Trumpish note, is most pleasing...


But, do not forget! This man was manipulated by Russian intelligence to believe fake news. This man got Trump, without a doubt the worst leader in the history of this country, elected in the first place! He is the whole reason we are all in this predicament. His actions may hasten the end of the world, and that is not an exaggeration. Do not praise this grandstanding GOP shill like he is something to be admired. Yes, he can write. Yes, he is clever. Yes, he is 9 feet tall. NONE OF THAT MATTERS WHEN YOU CONSIDER HIS PAST!


Nonetheless, James Comey retains one virtue, honesty, and he may yet redeem himself tomorrow. I know when James Comey decides he wants to ruin a political career, he is usually successful. He turned Martha Stewart into a felon, he destroyed Hillary Clinton's political career, and I'm praying he will bring that same game to this Trump hearing. He has nothing to lose.
The least you could do is discuss the matter honestly. He knew it was fake the entire time. He didn't act on it because he believed it. He acted as others would believe it was real if it was released.
 

FIVR

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The least you could do is discuss the matter honestly. He knew it was fake the entire time. He didn't act on it because he believed it. He acted as others would believe it was real if it was released.

If you actually believe that, then I may have yet underestimated Comey's ability to convince people of anything he wants. Lol.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I strongly disagree. According to Comey Trump has already admitted that the corruption investigations related to this are preventing him from implementing his agenda. That's pretty great from my perspective. There will be no impeachment until Democrats get control of a house of Congress, this is about continuing to dig deeper into the huge amount of corruption we've already found. Doing this lets us mitigate the new awful stuff he's trying to do as well as give more ammunition for real investigations once a responsible party gets subpoena authority.

Here's the problem- "According to Comey". In most cases that would carry great weight against you or I, but this is about the occupant of the Office of the President of the United States. Forget Trump for a moment, look at what I just typed. We're talking about an independent third of the Federal Government.

Right now I do not believe that the requisite threshold has been met for a successful prosecution. That does not mean there isn't trouble brewing. If Trump requested a third party such as the head of another intel agency put pressure on Comey and the weight of evidence is sufficient then Trump can be impeached for criminal acts. Now the Reps can say "It's sad but the President acted contrary to law blah blah blah". Backs are covered and Trump can be removed.

We'll see.
 

BoomerD

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As damning as this seems to be, the Republicans in Congress don't have enough ethics...or patriotism to act on it...
 

ivwshane

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Republicans will do nothing because there's nothing they need to do. Unless a crime was committed, you let the Trump haters bark at the moon for a few days and then get on with the country's business next week.

Correct. When Nixon/Clinton was under investigation its because nothing illegal had happened.

We might as well just stop all these investigations because you said nothing illegal had happened.

Everyone is being just a bunch of haters, trump is the real victim here.

/s


You are the epitome of a fox viewer.
 
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If you actually believe that, then I may have yet underestimated Comey's ability to convince people of anything he wants. Lol.
You know better than the intelligence officials who briefed the senate intelligence committee because?
 

FIVR

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You know better than the intelligence officials who briefed the senate intelligence committee because?

"He acted because other people would believe it was real and act accordingly" is an absurd, BS narrative that doesn't fly with rational thinking. Why would act as if something was legitimate and tell nobody else that you knew otherwise if you knew it was fake Russian propaganda? That makes zero sense.



That's how I know it was BS. But he convinced you! So I guess comey convincing works on those of us who don't think these things through.
 
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"He acted because other people would believe it was real and act accordingly" is an absurd, BS narrative that doesn't fly with rational thinking. Why would act as if something was legitimate and tell nobody else that you knew otherwise if you knew it was fake Russian propaganda? That makes zero sense.



That's how I know it was BS. But he convinced you! So I guess comey convincing works on those of us who don't think these things through.
Right. You're convinced that career intelligence officials lied to the senate intel committee about something they would have absolutely no reason or motivation to lie about but I'm the one who hasn't thought things through.