Comcast's 6 Strike Rule started this Wednesday

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  1. MadScientist

    MadScientist Platinum Member

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    Comcast has implemented its 6 strike rule this Wednesday. Info on Comcast's website: http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/copyrightalerts/

    Arstechnica has a bit more info on it. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/heres-what-an-actual-six-strikes-copyright-alert-looks-like/

    The question was asked on the Comcast forum if your internet service would be shut down after 6 strikes. A Comcast employee replied no.
    http://forums.comcast.com/t5/Customer-Service/Does-Comcast-SHUT-OFF-SERVICE-after-6-Strikes-Yes-or-No/m-p/1595521#U1595521
     
  2. diesbudt

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    So basically do not copyright or steal.

    Sounds basic enough
     
  3. Pardus

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    the whole point of the 6 strikes thing is to set up evidence trails for lawsuits, if you can prove willful and repeated to a judge, its a slam dunk. this IP belonged to him. yes, he is a subscriber. yes, this traffic passed through our servers. riaa and mpaa will be going lawsuit crazy.

    if they want to defeat piracy, give the people what they want........
    movies > use netflix
    games > use gamefly
    music > use spotify
    commercial apps > freeware alternatives for everything

    torrents also open yourself up to viruses and malware among other things.

    time warner is going to send the warning email to your default account, if you don't use that email account, you'll never see it. also, if you don't use the isp's dns/block ads, you'll never see the browser warning message.

    hopefully streaming from netflix won't trigger a warning.
     
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  4. Printer Bandit

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    is this retro active? do previous copyright notices act against you?
     
  5. Jimzz

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    Sorry IP =/= person.

    Thats liek a idiot gun banner getting you life in jail as your gun matched the bullets left in a several dead bodys so since you owned the gun you go to jail for the deaths. No we can't prove you pulled the trigger or were there etc... but your gun = you by default.
     
  6. Don Vito Corleone

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    I have friends who routinely download Top Gear (UK) through Torrent, a practice the BBC seems to have tacitly permitted (they have even joked about it on the show). They do so only because this is the only way to get the full, unedited show. This is the only form of arguably illegal downloading they ever do. I wonder whether this Comcast crackdown would consider that violative conduct?
     
  7. Jimzz

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    I think comcast and other providers don't go looking they wait for HBO or others to tell them. So if the BBC does not care, or those that have rights over that show, then it will not count.

    "Content companies routinely monitor online activity to see if their content is being improperly used or shared. If the company that owns the content observes activity indicating that it appears to have been uploaded or downloaded improperly, the content owner can note the IP address and Internet Service Provider (ISP) that issued that IP address to one of its subscribers."
     
  8. techs

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    IMHO the real issue we are going to see is a huge amount of phishing emails saying they are from Comcast. As soon as the copyright alerts make it to the general publics knowledge the fun and games will begin.
     
  9. SheHateMe

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    Comcast will only catch idiot file sharers in their net. That's about it.
     
  10. shortylickens

    shortylickens No Lifer

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    Realistically they are only concerned about the common file sharing, like torrents and direct connect and similar things. They will probably ignore emails with copyrighted pictures and that kind of nonsense.
     
  11. MadScientist

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    The scammers will probably have no problem also duplicating the Comcast symbol.
    http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/verify-copyright-alert
     
  12. Jimzz

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    Yep the big DL/UL's are using VPN/Proxy's... I hear. :hmm:
     
  13. shortylickens

    shortylickens No Lifer

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    Umm, your ISP is whats getting data to YOU. There is no way to hide from it, theres no way to work around it.
    Unless maybe you share encrypted ZIPs and get the passwords at another time.
     
  14. Jimzz

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    The ISP is not the one looking or reporting. Its still the content "owners" who are looking and then reporting to comcast, verzion, etc... and now they have the 6strike rule.
     
  15. ImpulsE69

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    They can all say what they want about how well this process works, but I see alot more of this happening:

    http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2304079&highlight=

    And yes, it's still the content owners that are looking and reporting. Of course, that cost will be yet another thing taken out of the consumers pockets from both the content owners and the ISP. Someone has to get paid for the "service".

    The best part of all this is the part where YOU have to pay $35 to appeal. It's guilty until proven innocent. Can't wait for all laws to be this way.
     
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  16. Wyndru

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    I have a feeling there will be a lot of new "someone is illegally using my wireless" claims coming soon.
     
  17. Newbian

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    Too bad it won't work as it's your responsibility they say.
     
  18. ImpulsE69

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    Yea, I can personally say that's exactly what they say. Of course, not sure how well that will fly with your grandma or grandpa getting accused of downloading the newest AAA game. I see alot of useless legal battles coming up. But the truth is it DOES happen, and with this new rule, will happen even more.
     
  19. Wyndru

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    Would that also be the case if it is their device? After my fios was installed, I immediately logged into the router and started mac address filtering, but if I had left it alone and someone cracked the password they gave me, wouldn't that be the ISP's fault?

    IIRC, my mother-in law's ISP provided device was even set with WEP (by the ISP). I changed it to WPA2 to make it a little more secure.
     
  20. randomrogue

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    I don't understand why you guys even use comcast. I never hear anything good about them.
     
  21. Wyndru

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    I agree based on past issues with comcast, but regarding this...FIOS is doing this too (6 strike), and I'm sure TWC has something similar coming as well.
     
  22. Newbian

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    Never stopped them from blaming the owner before.
     
  23. darkxshade

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    I just struck out :(
     
  24. ImpulsE69

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    This has nothing to do with comcast. All ISP's are enforcing this (at least a majority of them are). Not sure if they are all handling it the same.

    **Edit, their info in the link for who is doing this is incorrect, unless it is based off who owns what backbones. As far as I know, my ISP is not owned by any of these groups.
     
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  25. Pardus

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