Columnist believes military coup brewing as a solution to the "Obama problem"

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
... if Obama turns out to be a lesbian Nazi eskimo tentacle monster from the Moon.

Surely you mean a lesbian left-handed albino midget Eskimo, like Sarah Jean, right? Did I mention the fact that Obama is left-handed? It makes one think, doesn't it?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You know what's funny? We had very similar insanity going on from the extremists from the opposite side when Bush won both elections. All the hyperbole and rhetoric about fraud, urging uprisings and revolutions, fearmongering about October surprises and Bush trying to supercede the Constitution in tricky ways to remain president forever. Yet some of the same lefties in here rarely blinked an eye when that same sort of thing came from the extremists their camp. All of the sudden they immediately recognize the crazy when it comes from the other side though.

The partisan viewpoints of who and what is considered insane never ceases to amaze me.

The difference is that the D's will bend over backwards to disassociate themselves with anything considered "far left".

The R's in Congress are stewing the pot on a lot of this crap, just the other day some jackass called Obama an enemy of humanity.

Not to mention the birther stuff, which some in Congress will still not walk away from.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Your guarantees and a dollar bill aren't worth the price of a single item at a Ninety-Nine Cents Store. :roll:

wait, is there tax? otherwise i'm confused

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Guys, now lets soberly discuss what actions we will have to take if Obama turns out to be a lesbian Nazi eskimo tentacle monster from the Moon. I'm not saying he is, but we should definitely talk about what must be done if he turns out to be.

I'd vote for him!

The chance of a military coup is about the same as the above. Crack is bad, mmmmkkk?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: WildHorse
I agree with Sarkozy?s remarks here:

What infuriated President Sarkozy was that at the time Mr. Obama said those words, Mr. Obama knew the mullahs in Iran had a secret nuclear weapons development site, and he didn't call them on it.
....

"What good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community?" he asked rhetorically. "More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe out a UN member state off the map."

The "weapons development" claim is unsubstantiated rumor mongering, and the "wipe out a UN member state off the map" is a flagrant lie. So, what compels you to agree with such propaganda?

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You know what's funny? We had very similar insanity going on from the extremists from the opposite side when Bush won both elections. All the hyperbole and rhetoric about fraud, urging uprisings and revolutions, fearmongering about October surprises and Bush trying to supercede the Constitution in tricky ways to remain president forever. Yet some of the same lefties in here rarely blinked an eye when that same sort of thing came from the extremists their camp. All of the sudden they immediately recognize the crazy when it comes from the other side though.

The partisan viewpoints of who and what is considered insane never ceases to amaze me.

The difference is that the D's will bend over backwards to disassociate themselves with anything considered "far left".

:laugh: Mwahahahahahhahaha! :laugh:

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You know what's funny? We had very similar insanity going on from the extremists from the opposite side when Bush won both elections. All the hyperbole and rhetoric about fraud, urging uprisings and revolutions, fearmongering about October surprises and Bush trying to supercede the Constitution in tricky ways to remain president forever. Yet some of the same lefties in here rarely blinked an eye when that same sort of thing came from the extremists their camp. All of the sudden they immediately recognize the crazy when it comes from the other side though.

The partisan viewpoints of who and what is considered insane never ceases to amaze me.

The difference is that the D's will bend over backwards to disassociate themselves with anything considered "far left".

The R's in Congress are stewing the pot on a lot of this crap, just the other day some jackass called Obama an enemy of humanity.

Not to mention the birther stuff, which some in Congress will still not walk away from.

Usually, but then you get people like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/30/grayson-gop-plan/

I get his point, but his language is so inflammatory that no one will ever listen to the point. These types of presentations end discussion, they don't engender rational debate. And they distract and allow the talking heads on the right to point fingers. Coming from the "death" panel squad that's a bit funny, but you watch, it'll be Fox's go-to story tonight, and the irony will be completely lost on them.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

My question is - why is the Obama Administration standing with the likes of Ortega and Chavez?

You're quoting partisan opinion pieces from one of Rupert Murdoch's right wingnut rags as if they were fact. My question is, where's your grasp on reality? :roll:

Are you REALLY sure you're not Glenn Beck? :Q

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: WildHorse
I agree with Sarkozy?s remarks here:

What infuriated President Sarkozy was that at the time Mr. Obama said those words, Mr. Obama knew the mullahs in Iran had a secret nuclear weapons development site, and he didn't call them on it.
....

"What good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community?" he asked rhetorically. "More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe out a UN member state off the map."

The "weapons development" claim is unsubstantiated rumor mongering, and the "wipe out a UN member state off the map" is a flagrant lie. So, what compels you to agree with such propaganda?

Yeah, Amedinejad said they weren't planning on making any weapons. I trust him completely. He's told the truth about everything so far. Except that secret hidden nuclear facility. But that was just an oversight.

And the wipe off the map comment was the official Iranian translation so if you want to blame anyone, blame Iran and Amedinejad for saying it, not us for repeating it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You know what's funny? We had very similar insanity going on from the extremists from the opposite side when Bush won both elections. All the hyperbole and rhetoric about fraud, urging uprisings and revolutions, fearmongering about October surprises and Bush trying to supercede the Constitution in tricky ways to remain president forever. Yet some of the same lefties in here rarely blinked an eye when that same sort of thing came from the extremists their camp. All of the sudden they immediately recognize the crazy when it comes from the other side though.

The partisan viewpoints of who and what is considered insane never ceases to amaze me.

The difference is that the D's will bend over backwards to disassociate themselves with anything considered "far left".

The R's in Congress are stewing the pot on a lot of this crap, just the other day some jackass called Obama an enemy of humanity.

Not to mention the birther stuff, which some in Congress will still not walk away from.

Like I said, people of a partisan ilk easily recognize the idiocy from the other side yet try to deflect it, and sometimes even defend it, from their own. You are illustrating my point rather well.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Man, the far right is not taking losing an election well at all.

C'mon dude. You know that's not right.

 

[PJABBER]

So long as we are posting about fantasies, how about those coming from the best and the brightest of the cultured Left?

Gore Vidal: ?We?ll have a dictatorship soon in the US?

Gore Vidal: ?We?ll have a dictatorship soon in the US?

The grand old man of letters Gore Vidal claims America is ?rotting away? ? and don?t expect Barack Obama to save it

by Tim Teeman
The Times (UK)
September 30, 2009

...Has he met Obama? ?No,? he says quietly, ?I?ve had my time with presidents.? Vidal raises his fingers to signify a gun and mutters: ?Bang bang.? He is referring to the possibility of Obama being assassinated. ?Just a mysterious lone gunman lurking in the shadows of the capital,? he says in a wry, dreamy way.

America has ?no intellectual class? and is ?rotting away at a funereal pace. We?ll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together.

Vidal became a supportive correspondent of Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people. The huge loss of life, indeed McVeigh?s act of mass murder, goes unmentioned by Vidal. ?He was a true patriot, a Constitution man,? Vidal claims. ?And I was torn, my grandfather [the Democrat Senator Thomas Gore] had bought Oklahoma into the Union.? McVeigh claimed he had done it as a protest against tyrannical government.

I ask what he wants to do next. ?My usual answer to ?What am I proudest of?? is my novels, but really I am most proud that, despite enormous temptation, I have never killed anybody and you don?t know how tempted I have been.?

That wasn?t my question, I say. ?Well, given that I?m proudest that I haven?t killed anybody, I might be saving something up for someone.? A perfect line: we both laugh.

Yup, just another famous lefty fantasizing in public. :roll:

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: Harvey

Obama hasn't said much more about supporting Zalaya's bid to extend his presidency or what the end result should be. All you're spewing is more of your same dishonest, fear mongering disinformation.

Hmm, the Wiki entry on Zelaya that you posted has been changed to describe the exiling as a "coup." Saying it was doesn't make it so. Mr. Zelaya?s removal, far from being illegal, was consistent with Articles 239 and 272 of his country?s Constitution.

Have you read this?

The Path Forward for Honduras - Zelaya?s removal from office was a triumph for the rule of law.

How about this?

The Honduras Mess - A dangerous standoff that the U.S. helped to create.

... President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have both insisted that Honduras must ignore Mr. Zelaya's transgressions and their own legal processes and restore him as president. The U.S. has gone so far as to cut off aid, threaten Honduran assets in the U.S. and pull visas to enter the U.S. from the independent judiciary. The U.S. has even threatened not to recognize presidential elections previously scheduled for November unless Mr. Zelaya is first brought back to power?even though he couldn't run again.

On Monday Mr. Zelaya said he owed his return and political survival to "the support of the international community." He's getting support from Nicaragua's Sandinista President Daniel Ortega, the former guerrilla group FMLN in El Salvador, and especially from Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. But let's face it: None of that support would mean very much without the diplomatic and sanctions muscle of the U.S.

Unless there's something about the removal that hasn't made the airwaves , i'm agreeing with PJabber on this one, and i hate to admit that.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: PJABBER

My question is - why is the Obama Administration standing with the likes of Ortega and Chavez?

You're quoting partisan opinion pieces from one of Rupert Murdoch's right wingnut rags as if they were fact. My question is, where's your grasp on reality? :roll:

I am replying with a statement made by the interim President of Honduras detailing the reasons for, and the mechanism of, Zelaya's removal and a news story of actions being taken by the Obama Administration interfering with the Constitutional processes of Honduras.

You sure are funny in describing everything that doesn't agree with your very partisan viewpoint.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: jonks
Yeah, Amedinejad said they weren't planning on making any weapons. I trust him completely. He's told the truth about everything so far. Except that secret hidden nuclear facility. But that was just an oversight.

Rather you wallow in fear over any possibility of Ahmadinejad ever controling any nuclear weapon, just like so many wallowed in fear over the bullshit propaganda that was used to drag us into the mess which is our occupation of Iraq. In this case, you also revel in ignorance by thinking that telling anyone about the enrichment facility was ever Ahmadinejad's call to make.

Originally posted by: jonks
And the wipe off the map comment was the official Iranian translation...

It was one translation on one Iranian news site, which contradicted the offical translation on Amedinejad's site, and any attempt at a literal translation of statement.

Originally posted by: jonks
...so if you want to blame anyone, blame Iran and Amedinejad for saying it, not us for repeating it.

The only ones I can fault for people clinging to a mistranslation and taking it devoid of its context are the people who do it.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: jonks
Usually, but then you get people like this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/30/grayson-gop-plan/

I get his point, but his language is so inflammatory that no one will ever listen to the point. These types of presentations end discussion, they don't engender rational debate. And they distract and allow the talking heads on the right to point fingers. Coming from the "death" panel squad that's a bit funny, but you watch, it'll be Fox's go-to story tonight, and the irony will be completely lost on them.

I like Grayson very much and I personally do not have any problem with that. The R's have used far more inflammatory rhetoric and also completely unabashedly invented things out of thin air. That cannot in any way compare to calling out Obama in Congress or that fool from Arizona.

I get what you are saying, but the right wing is so adept at making something outrageous a huge headline. People will be talking about it, so let's talk about why the R's do not have a credible alternative to what is being proposed. Let them come out with something in defense of themselves. Let's see a real bill that will get something done.That's the difference, the R's raise holy hell about death panels and the D's have to go on camera and defend themselves against it no matter how ridiculous it may be. There's at least a hint of truth to this, the status quo just isn't going to get it done.

For once, there's a democrat in the house willing to tell it like it is. There's just no possible way to compare this to Joe Wilson or any of the other crap, it's on a totally different level. Enough is enough with the moral equivalency - the crap on Morning Joe today was sickening.

Right now Steele is basically just not acknowledging the problem and painting it as an invention of leftists and the media. The core elements of the Republican party are refusing to break with these wackos in their base and it's legitimizing this sad, fear-baiting, victim complex.

 

[0marTheZealot]

PJABBER, I didn't think it was possible to go any lower intellectually. Thank you for proving me wrong.

The very fact you read this garbage is astounding.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: PJABBER

My question is - why is the Obama Administration standing with the likes of Ortega and Chavez?

You're quoting partisan opinion pieces from one of Rupert Murdoch's right wingnut rags as if they were fact. My question is, where's your grasp on reality? :roll:

I am replying with a statement made by the interim President of Honduras detailing the reasons for, and the mechanism of, Zelaya's removal and a news story of actions being taken by the Obama Administration interfering with the Constitutional processes of Honduras.

You sure are funny in describing everything that doesn't agree with your very partisan viewpoint.

You do realise that the military regime are arresting people without warrents and entering homes without just cause to eliminate all opposition? Has been doing so for months by now and they also cancelled free speech in the nation along with instituting curfews for everone.

You actually think this is a democratic rule you have seen enforced, i don't know if i should laugh or cry at your patthetic uneducated uninformed posts or if i should do what most people do when they step in it, just wipe it off of my boot.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
PJABBER, I didn't think it was possible to go any lower intellectually. Thank you for proving me wrong.

The very fact you read this garbage is astounding.

Hang on, kylebeisme is trying his hardest to become the bigger idiot, let's not call it until the two are done.

kylebeisme and PJABBER, get it OOOON!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks
Yeah, Amedinejad said they weren't planning on making any weapons. I trust him completely. He's told the truth about everything so far. Except that secret hidden nuclear facility. But that was just an oversight.

Rather you wallow in fear over any possibility of Ahmadinejad ever controling any nuclear weapon, just like so many wallowed in fear over the bullshit propaganda that was used to drag us into the mess which is our occupation of Iraq. In this case, you also revel in ignorance by thinking that telling anyone about the enrichment facility was ever Ahmadinejad's call to make.

Originally posted by: jonks
And the wipe off the map comment was the official Iranian translation...

It was one translation on one Iranian news site, which contradicted the offical translation on Amedinejad's site, and any attempt at a literal translation of statement.

Originally posted by: jonks
...so if you want to blame anyone, blame Iran and Amedinejad for saying it, not us for repeating it.

The only ones I can fault for people clinging to a mistranslation and taking it devoid of its context are the people who do it.

Son, you obviously do not understand this, Iran will NEVER have a nuclear weapon, there are 50+ nations to make sure they do not.

It's a fucking lost cause if they are trying to do that because all that will ever happen to them if they announce that they do have one is that there will be a hole in the ground where Iran used to be.

It's like a fucking mosqito on the arse of a cow, eventually that fucking tail will smack it so hard it will be dead.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
PJABBER, I didn't think it was possible to go any lower intellectually. Thank you for proving me wrong.

The very fact you read this garbage is astounding.

Huh? Do you mean the posts on this forum or the Wall Street Journal? I also read the Financial Times. :laugh:

Or are you referring to The Times (UK), which I only scan, along with about a dozen other papers, depending on the country I am working in?

While I enjoyed the "debate" between Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer once upon a time, I think Vidal is about as nutty as Carter right about now. Both are highly respected for their views by the leftish, though.

BTW, do any of you read Spanish?

It might be interesting for those who do and who care about what is happening in Honduras to check these sites out -

La Verdad en Honduras

Cuarta Urna - Noticias y Actualizaciones

Hasta luego!

 

[kylebisme]

John, you are as much of a moron as PJABBER, which is exactly why you can't even address my arguments, but rather misrepresent or outright ignore them to attack me instead. Granted, you aren't nearly as crazy as PJABBER, but a mindless dolt just the same.

Doh, PJABBER, I see you replied as I did and showed some semblance of intelligence. I take back saying you are as much of a moron as John. However, based on the many previous comments I've seen from you, I'm still rather sure you are less sane than him though.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks
Yeah, Amedinejad said they weren't planning on making any weapons. I trust him completely. He's told the truth about everything so far. Except that secret hidden nuclear facility. But that was just an oversight.

Rather you wallow in fear over any possibility of Ahmadinejad ever controling any nuclear weapon, just like so many wallowed in fear over the bullshit propaganda that was used to drag us into the mess which is our occupation of Iraq. In this case, you also revel in ignorance by thinking that telling anyone about the enrichment facility was ever Ahmadinejad's call to make.

Originally posted by: jonks
And the wipe off the map comment was the official Iranian translation...

It was one translation on one Iranian news site, which contradicted the offical translation on Amedinejad's site, and any attempt at a literal translation of statement.

Originally posted by: jonks
...so if you want to blame anyone, blame Iran and Amedinejad for saying it, not us for repeating it.

The only ones I can fault for people clinging to a mistranslation and taking it devoid of its context are the people who do it.

Son, you obviously do not understand this, Iran will NEVER have a nuclear weapon, there are 50+ nations to make sure they do not.

It's a fucking lost cause if they are trying to do that because all that will ever happen to them if they announce that they do have one is that there will be a hole in the ground where Iran used to be.

It's like a fucking mosqito on the arse of a cow, eventually that fucking tail will smack it so hard it will be dead.

Another warmonger post. I wonder which of the dozen or so nuclear powers is going to pull the trigger first? :roll:

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
John, you are as much of a moron as PJABBER, which is exactly why you can't even address my arguments, but rather misrepresent or outright ignore them to attack me instead. Granted, you aren't nearly as crazy as PJABBER, but a mindless dolt just the same.

Doh, PJABBER, I see you replied as I did and showed some semblance of intelligence. I take back saying you are as much of a moron as John. However, based on the many previous comments I've seen from you, I'm still rather sure you are less sane than him though.

Thanks, I guess. :roll:

BTW, John is a poser so I wouldn't take anything he says seriously anyway.

:laugh:

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Your guarantees and a dollar bill aren't worth the price of a single item at a Ninety-Nine Cents Store. :roll:

Uhhhh... what?