Colorado SC just disqualified Trump from the ballot using the Fourteenth Amendment Section 3 of the Constitution

[zinfamous]

That's certainly true, he has. But he's also capable of accepting facts, eventually. He's done it once or twice here before and I feel he can do it again.

Defending a traitor who wants to end American democracy should be anathema to someone who swore/served to uphold and defend the Constitution. Any vet who considers Trump's ego driven crimes to be more important than the rights American enlisted have paid for in blood is a fucking disgrace. Means their service meant nothing and their love of country is just partisan lust. Real dirtbag stuff, very depressing.

I used to vaguely agree with the first, but it's plain that is no longer possible. I've honestly never seen that. It's always running behind "well, that's my opinion," as if that means anything to any actual adult, ever. It never has. It's something he learned in the 3rd grade, where his cognitive development obviously paused

He is no vet. was always a traitor. He doesn't care about this country, just team sports. Fuck that guy. What a disgrace to his family and this country.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We saw how that turned out...

Trump didn’t tell them to stand down like on the debate night /shrug

 

[Xcobra]

Lol... You guys trying to explain logic to GQP idiots with the intelligence of a 4 year old... While it's a good laugh, it must be exhausting to engage with these dimwits.

 

[pcgeek11]

You really want to vote for that sack of crap again, don't you?

No, I don't.

I don't know how many times I have to say this.

 

[pcgeek11]

I know from where I speak. I attended many in Philadelphia.

Damn you attended many riots in Philadelphia.

 

[pcgeek11]

He also told them to fight like hell.

It's a common phrase that doesn't always imply violence. A football coach also tells the players to "fight like hell" what do you think he means by that?

It is quaint how everyone ignores everything else he said.

 

[ivwshane]

It's a common phrase that doesn't always imply violence. A football coach also tells the players to "fight like hell" what do you think he means by that?

It is quaint how everyone ignores everything else he said.

Can you explain why most of the convicted cited trumps own words as telling them to go down there and do what they did?

 

[pcgeek11]

You are so smart. Who knew in order for it to be an insurrection it had to happen just like the Civil War

Judges in Colorado already stipulated Jan 6 was an insurrection not just a riot.

I'll wait for the SCOTUS to decide.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a common phrase that doesn't always imply violence. A football coach also tells the players to "fight like hell" what do you think he means by that?

It is quaint how everyone ignores everything else he said.

Did you read the opinion as to how they defined insurrection, which does not require any violence?

He tried to overthrow the duly elected government to stay in power. Thats insurrection.

 

[brycejones]

It is quaint how everyone ignores everything else he said.

Late entry for the most ironic post of the year.

 

[IronWing]

I'll wait for the SCOTUS to decide.

I'll wait for the corrupt, lying, partisan shitbags who happen to usually agree with me to decide.

 

[pcgeek11]

I'll wait for the corrupt, lying, partisan shitbags who happen to usually agree with me to decide.

What will you say if the SCOTUS ruling is 9 to 0?

 

[pcgeek11]

Did you read the opinion as to how they defined insurrection, which does not require any violence?

He tried to overthrow the duly elected government to stay in power. That's insurrection.

If he is obviously guilty, then why in the hell do they not put his orange ass in prison where he belongs?

Give me a reason.

 

[pmv]

It's a common phrase that doesn't always imply violence. A football coach also tells the players to "fight like hell" what do you think he means by that?

It is quaint how everyone ignores everything else he said.

Never mind the arguable interpretations of those speeches (I agree that there's ambiguity in all of that).

The crucial part, to me, would be his repeated, utterly baseless, claims that the election was rigged or stolen. Seems to me that in itself constitutes an incitement to reject democracy, regardless of whether the ambiguous language implies violence or not.

 

[pmv]

I notice the right don't seem to see the same ambiguity in pro-Palestinian marches calling for 'Jihad' or using the 'from the river to the sea' slogan, as they do in Trump's calls for people to "fight" (personally I think there's ambiguity in both those cases - Jihad can be taken to just mean 'struggle', so the two cases are very similar).

 

[brycejones]

I notice the right don't seem to see the same ambiguity in pro-Palestinian marches calling for 'Jihad' or using the 'from the river to the sea' slogan, as they do in Trump's calls for people to "fight" (personally I think there's ambiguity in both those cases - Jihad can be taken to just mean 'struggle', so the two cases are very similar).

Intellectual inconsistency is the right's superpower. They really DGAF about the policy just the power.

 

[fskimospy]

If he is obviously guilty, then why in the hell do they not put his orange ass in prison where he belongs?

Give me a reason.

Uhmm, he’s currently under indictment for his actions that day.

Regardless, ballot disqualification does not require a criminal conviction unless you’re going to argue that Robert E. Lee was eligible to be president in 1868 as he was never convicted of anything.

So either a conviction is required or it’s not. You have to choose.

 

[fskimospy]

Never mind the arguable interpretations of those speeches (I agree that there's ambiguity in all of that).

The crucial part, to me, would be his repeated, utterly baseless, claims that the election was rigged or stolen. Seems to me that in itself constitutes an incitement to reject democracy, regardless of whether the ambiguous language implies violence or not.

I’m not sure what the ambiguity is here - the attack on the Capitol is the most visible but in some ways the least important part of the insurrection.

Trump created fraudulent slates of electors with the goal of having the vice president reject the lawful votes for president so he could stay in power despite losing.

What do you call it when one guy wins an election and the other guy convinces officials to throw it out and put him in charge instead? Thats a coup. (Or in other words, insurrection.)

 

[pmv]

I’m not sure what the ambiguity is here - the attack on the Capitol is the most visible but in some ways the least important part of the insurrection.

Trump created fraudulent slates of electors with the goal of having the vice president reject the lawful votes for president so he could stay in power despite losing.

What do you call it when one guy wins an election and the other guy convinces officials to throw it out and put him in charge instead? Thats a coup. (Or in other words, insurrection.)

I don't disagree.

The ambiguity would be around the specific speeches right before the Capital assault and the precise meaning of the word 'fight'. That specific point, in isolation, I accept is debatable (did he mean 'physically attack police officers' - I doubt he even knew himself what he really meant in detail).

But everything else surrounding it, e.g. the fake electors and the absurd accusations of ballot rigging, points to a wider picture that constitutes an attempt to override an election and overthrow democracy.

 

[pcgeek11]

Uhmm, he’s currently under indictment for his actions that day.

Regardless, ballot disqualification does not require a criminal conviction unless you’re going to argue that Robert E. Lee was eligible to be president in 1868 as he was never convicted of anything.

So either a conviction is required or it’s not. You have to choose.

These are not the same thing Robert E Lee's actions are not equivalent to Trump's actions.

I don't have to choose. I've stated what my opinion is already. So now all these @sshats can come back and call me names again because I don't agree with their opinions.... I guess they think calling me a cvnt or berating my military service and character will hurt my feelings or something.

According to some on here if their beliefs were upheld demanding a recount of an election would be insurrection.

I'll just wait for the SCOTUS to make a ruling. Some say that is even wrong as they think the court is biased. I have faith that they are more knowledgeable than random people on a internet forum.

I don't know what they will decide, but whatever it is we will abide by it as will we all. I just hope regardless of which way it goes it is an a 9 - 0 ruling.

Not going to argue about it anymore.

 

[pmv]

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I'll just wait for the SCOTUS to make a ruling. Some say that is even wrong as they think the court is biased. I have faith that they are more knowledgeable than random people on a internet forum.

Both can be true. They can be more knowledgeable _and_ biased. The two things very often go together.

Will Thomas recuse himself? His wife was deeply involved in the very plotting that could justify disqualifying Trump. How can he possibly claim to be impartial?

 

[brycejones]

According to some on here if their beliefs were upheld demanding a recount of an election would be insurrection.

That should be easy for you to quote.

 

[Moonbeam]

If he is obviously guilty, then why in the hell do they not put his orange ass in prison where he belongs?

Give me a reason.

Because he has not yet completely destroyed our democratic system of government where the obviously guilty are legally entitled to the presumption of innocence until found guilty in a court of law. Otherwise, every nutcase like myself who cares nothing for the logic due process and only about my precious and divinely inspired feels, would gather a bunch of my witch hunting brothers and make sure once and for all Trump never sees the inside of the Whitehouse again.

Talk about obvious.

 

[fskimospy]

These are not the same thing Robert E Lee's actions are not equivalent to Trump's actions.

I don't have to choose. I've stated what my opinion is already. So now all these @sshats can come back and call me names again because I don't agree with their opinions.... I guess they think calling me a cvnt or berating my military service and character will hurt my feelings or something.

According to some on here if their beliefs were upheld demanding a recount of an election would be insurrection.

I'll just wait for the SCOTUS to make a ruling. Some say that is even wrong as they think the court is biased. I have faith that they are more knowledgeable than random people on a internet forum.

I don't know what they will decide, but whatever it is we will abide by it as will we all. I just hope regardless of which way it goes it is an a 9 - 0 ruling.

Not going to argue about it anymore.

True, you only have to pick one if you want to be internally and logically consistent. If you don’t that’s up to you.

It’s weird that you don’t want to do that but you do you, haha.

 

[JTsyo]

It's a common phrase that doesn't always imply violence. A football coach also tells the players to "fight like hell" what do you think he means by that?

It is quaint how everyone ignores everything else he said.

OK let's think that through. When a football coach says that, he wants his team to go on the field and play tough and not give up. Now when Trumps says that to a crowd that's marching to the Capitol, what does it mean? How do you "fight like hell" while protesting? What you have to realize is that it wasn't just one phrase. It's been dog whistles from him since the election. He knew the crowd was angry since he riled them up and he unleashed them on the Capitol. Problem is most on the right are in denial since they don't want to admit what the guy they supported did. And those that do are punished.