Colorado SC just disqualified Trump from the ballot using the Fourteenth Amendment Section 3 of the Constitution

[Brainonska511]

SCOTUS says Trump can remain on the ballot and states can't kick him off.

Where are my 30 year old non-native born citizens at? Time to file for running for president.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

SCOTUS says Trump can remain on the ballot and states can't kick him off.

Where are my 30 year old non-native born citizens at? Time to file for running for president.

Not so sure this is a bad thing. I am honestly on the fence about this.
Also we know once the cat is out of the bag it will be used again as in FL or TX will certainly do it.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm not surprised at the ruling, but I am surprised that it was unanimous

 

[Brainonska511]

Not so sure this is a bad thing. I am honestly on the fence about this.
Also we know once the cat is out of the bag it will be used again as in FL or TX will certainly do it.

We should stop acting like restraint will stop Republicans from acting in bad faith and contrary to governing norms. They have already proven themselves to be bad actors who don't care about norms that make democracy function.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This one was never going to happen and not in any way surprised they ruled this way.

 

[fskimospy]

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This one was never going to happen and not in any way surprised they ruled this way.

Yes, the only question here was how they were going to Calvinball to this decision and ignore the plain text of the Constitution, not if they would.

 

[K1052]

The court moving to protect its own power is the surest bet you can ever make.

 

[eelw]

Does the ruling make distinction between running and actually holding office? But they'll probably say only Congress can disqualify someone.

 

[fskimospy]

Does the ruling make distinction between running and actually holding office? But they'll probably say only Congress can disqualify someone.

That was basically their ruling, that only Congress could disqualify people, meaning presumably they believe Jefferson Davis could have become president.

 

[brycejones]

Not shocked but pretty disgusted at the ruling. I hope there is enabling legislation for everything in the constitution.

 

[K1052]

I'm not surprised at the ruling, but I am surprised that it was unanimous

There were actually deep disagreements.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764670222240252025

 

[Brainonska511]

That was basically their ruling, that only Congress could disqualify people, meaning presumably they believe Jefferson Davis could have become president.

I saw some blurb about how congress could reject electoral votes for insurrectionists, but then we're back to self-made constitutional crisis (and basically giving flimsy justifications that Republicans might try in their next attempted coup).

 

[pmv]

Not so sure this is a bad thing. I am honestly on the fence about this.
Also we know once the cat is out of the bag it will be used again as in FL or TX will certainly do it.

I'm not surprised at the ruling, but I am surprised that it was unanimous

I think the first quote answers the second one. The non-conservative members of the Court probably voted as they did out of fear that Republican-controlled states would retaliate and it would become a tit-for-tat weapon - because Republicans don't care about the truth or falsity of accusations, they just use any weapon available to serve their ends (see also impeachment and 'fact checking').

It's why the rule of law, or any rule-based system, really can't work if something approaching 50% of those involved aren't interested in playing by the rules.

 

[trenchfoot]

Not meaning to split hairs on this just need to know something for clarification due to my complete lack of knowledge of the legalese over the court's opinion. The SCOTUS ruled that Trump cannot be removed from the primary ballot. So does that also include states not being able to remove him from the general ballot?

 

[HomerJS]

Waiting for the first <35 year old to try getting on the ballot in a state just to dunk on hypocritical SCOTUS.

They went for lack of chaos. Some red state would claim Biden committed insurrection on the southern border and try to keep him off.

If it says anything we need federal election standards. Sort of like a floor but still allowing states to run the election.

Example: No one must wait in line >30 minutes.

 

[K1052]

I think the first quote answers the second one. The non-conservative members of the Court probably voted as they did out of fear that Republican-controlled states would retaliate and it would become a tit-for-tat weapon - because Republicans don't care about the truth or falsity of accusations, they just use any weapon available to serve their ends (see also impeachment and 'fact checking').

It's why the rule of law, or any rule-based system, really can't work if something approaching 50% of those involved aren't interested in playing by the rules.

Covering over our massive structural problems is only going to last for so long until it all eventually caves in. SCOTUS is like a landlord putting another coat of paint over the dozens that preceded it to hide the problems from the tenants. The only day to day concern is collecting the rent.

 

[eelw]

Waiting for the first <35 year old to try getting on the ballot in a state just to dunk on hypocritical SCOTUS.

They went for lack of chaos. Some red state would claim Biden committed insurrection on the southern border and try to keep him off.

If it says anything we need federal election standards. Sort of like a floor but still allowing states to run the election.

Example: No one must wait in line >30 minutes.

I'm betting that TYT guy going to challenge the natural born citizen clause now.

 

[trenchfoot]

Waiting for the first <35 year old to try getting on the ballot in a state just to dunk on hypocritical SCOTUS.

They went for lack of chaos. Some red state would claim Biden committed insurrection on the southern border and try to keep him off.

If it says anything we need federal election standards. Sort of like a floor but still allowing states to run the election.

Example: No one must wait in line >30 minutes.

On the bolded text, that requirement or any requirement that obstructs the Republican's efforts to cheat their way to victories will have them screaming bloody murder over their right to administer the processes of voting in the states they have control over. It would be hilarious to see the conservative majority on the SCOTUS try to back that up.

 

[brycejones]

How do states justify having different qualifying standards to get on the ballot with this ruling? If there has to be a single national standard passed by congress for removing a candidate from the ballot why wouldn’t the same apply for access to the ballot?

 

[Thump553]

Amazing how fast the Supreme Court can move when it benefits Trump-about two months from beginning to end for this entire case (I couldn't find the date they granted cert in a quick search). That's shorter than the delay the Court has already built into Trump's bogus immunity claim appeal (especially given the fact that immunity is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution). And in that immunity appeal they have ordered a stay in all federal cases against Trump

Most experts are guessing the SCOTUS won't issue a decision in the immunity appeal until June or later. I'm almost certain they will reject Trump's preposterous claim of immunity but they are locking in enough delay to get him past the election-a perversion of the legal process for purely political purposes.

I cannot think of a time in our entire country's history when the Supreme Court has so consistently acted in a partisan manner.

 

[Brainonska511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764670674558165195

Remember when Congress tried to last enforce parts of the 14th amendment and SCOTUS said "not like that"?

 

[HomerJS]

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[Brainonska511]

Amazing how fast the Supreme Court can move when it benefits Trump-about two months from beginning to end for this entire case (I couldn't find the date they granted cert in a quick search). That's shorter than the delay the Court has already built into Trump's bogus immunity claim appeal (especially given the fact that immunity is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution). And in that immunity appeal they have ordered a stay in all federal cases against Trump

Most experts are guessing the SCOTUS won't issue a decision in the immunity appeal until June or later. I'm almost certain they will reject Trump's preposterous claim of immunity but they are locking in enough delay to get him past the election-a perversion of the legal process for purely political purposes.

I cannot think of a time in our entire country's history when the Supreme Court has so consistently acted in a partisan manner.

They are deliberately slow walking stuff and putting their thumb on the scale. It's clear they can move fast when they want to, so when they move slow, it's clear that that is also a decision.

 

[Paratus]

They are deliberately slow walking stuff and putting their thumb on the scale. It's clear they can move fast when they want to, so when they move slow, it's clear that that is also a decision.

I liked the idea of having Biden exercise Presidential immunity to force a challenge that has to be taken to SCOTUS. Say something election related thats detrimental to Trump so SCOTUS has no choice but to rule on it quickly.

 

[Pens1566]

So Obama can run again. Good to know.