College Sophomore stumps Bush..

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Gaard
fine details = Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
😕

OK, it can remove some of the inflation from the process and drive costs back down so that an education is affordable? Just a guess.

You gotta be kidding me, cutting measly 12.7 billion will drive down the inflation while putting 300+ billion into defense contractors and Haliburton is okay?

I know you guys would love to spin anything in favor of Bush, but isn't this a bit too much?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Gaard
fine details = Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
😕

OK, it can remove some of the inflation from the process and drive costs back down so that an education is affordable? Just a guess.

I suppose the costs of stadiums, coaches' salaries, campus expansions, books, salaries, insurance costs, healthcare costs, property taxes, etc. all have nothing to do with it, eh? :roll:

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: DonVito
You may legitimately feel it's appropriate to reduce student loans, but President Bush can't have it both ways. He claims to support education, yet cuts educational spending. Which is it?

You can support education in other ways, for example, by raising standards for our students.

How does that help students get into college?

Better standards in high school might better prepare them for college.

I repeat, how does that help students get into college?

There is more to education than the number of people in college. Quality > quantity.

Yeah, cause parents' $$$ = student quality :roll:

 

[ShadoWing]

lmao....owned

 

[Gaard]

Either I'm F*CKING STUPID or I have no sense. I can't figure out which is scarier - Bush cutting the $12.7B, or people excusing it.

 

[beyoku]

Later that day......"Beyoku's 7 year old nephew, Demond Brown Jr., stumps bush."

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor
Responses only from past students who have actually paid back their loans in full please!

<-- right here.

Now you tell me, why is Bush such a lying, snivelling little worm? Doesn't he have the the balls to get up there and defend his policies?

He had just done that for 45 minutes to an hour before that question was raised. You didn't watch, did you? If you had, you could have posted something factual.

Oh, have you paid back your loan?

Yes, a rather large lump sum paid a few days after I got a letter asking me for my first payment.

Now lets get back on topic, so you can help me understand Bush..
Are you saying he's so stupid that he can't answer a few questions about his policies without forgetting what they are? Or is that he isn't aware of what he is signing into law to begin with? Or is it that he's a lying coward who cuts funding one day, then tells a student the next day that he didn't cut anything?

If I thought yopu had any desire to understand Bush, I would be more than glad to help. I know that attack, not understand, is your goal. A few questions? You really are uninformed aren't you. Students are lucky to get the funding in the first place and to whine about the conditions is beyond understanding!

Why do I have to ask you the same thing three times before I get an answer? If I'm wrong, and you're right, then tell me why Bush did what he did. Surely you can answer such a simple question without inquiring about my finances and other such nonsense distractions?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Gaard
fine details = Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
😕

OK, it can remove some of the inflation from the process and drive costs back down so that an education is affordable? Just a guess.

I suppose the costs of stadiums, coaches' salaries, campus expansions, books, salaries, insurance costs, healthcare costs, property taxes, etc. all have nothing to do with it, eh? :roll:

Not like football tickets aren't expensive enough, eh?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Gaard
fine details = Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
😕

OK, it can remove some of the inflation from the process and drive costs back down so that an education is affordable? Just a guess.

I suppose the costs of stadiums, coaches' salaries, campus expansions, books, salaries, insurance costs, healthcare costs, property taxes, etc. all have nothing to do with it, eh? :roll:

Thank Title IX for that.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Drug dealing? Prostitution? Begging in the subway?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Gaard
fine details = Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?
😕

OK, it can remove some of the inflation from the process and drive costs back down so that an education is affordable? Just a guess.

You gotta be kidding me, cutting measly 12.7 billion will drive down the inflation while putting 300+ billion into defense contractors and Haliburton is okay?

I know you guys would love to spin anything in favor of Bush, but isn't this a bit too much?

It isn't really that we love Bush so much. It is that hate for 30 years of failed liberal programs that swings in when we read this chit. 30 years of supporting failure blindly and you people can't respect a man who is doing a pretty good job in extremely trying times. And then you whine when the silver spoon gets tarnished!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor
Responses only from past students who have actually paid back their loans in full please!

<-- right here.

Now you tell me, why is Bush such a lying, snivelling little worm? Doesn't he have the the balls to get up there and defend his policies?

He had just done that for 45 minutes to an hour before that question was raised. You didn't watch, did you? If you had, you could have posted something factual.

Oh, have you paid back your loan?

Yes, a rather large lump sum paid a few days after I got a letter asking me for my first payment.

Now lets get back on topic, so you can help me understand Bush..
Are you saying he's so stupid that he can't answer a few questions about his policies without forgetting what they are? Or is that he isn't aware of what he is signing into law to begin with? Or is it that he's a lying coward who cuts funding one day, then tells a student the next day that he didn't cut anything?

If I thought yopu had any desire to understand Bush, I would be more than glad to help. I know that attack, not understand, is your goal. A few questions? You really are uninformed aren't you. Students are lucky to get the funding in the first place and to whine about the conditions is beyond understanding!

Why do I have to ask you the same thing three times before I get an answer? If I'm wrong, and you're right, then tell me why Bush did what he did. Surely you can answer such a simple question without inquiring about my finances and other such nonsense distractions?

Look at the way you addressed our President. Apologise for that. Then we may talk. I didn't like Clinton, but I did not refer to him in those terms.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Several times? Are you insane?

ANSWER THE QUESTON:

How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Several times? Are you insane?

ANSWER THE QUESTON:

How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

[sarcasm]
Because if you get better grades in school you can go an apply for federal grant money then.

Duh!!!!

[/sarcasm]

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Several times? Are you insane?

ANSWER THE QUESTON:

How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

[sarcasm]
Because if you get better grades in school you can go an apply for federal grant money then.

Duh!!!!

[/sarcasm]

Now, how would he have known that. Unfair - question was too hard!

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Several times? Are you insane?

ANSWER THE QUESTON:

How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

[sarcasm]
Because if you get better grades in school you can go an apply for federal grant money then.

Duh!!!!

[/sarcasm]

Now, how would he have known that. Unfair - question was too hard!

It was easy...

I used only half of my brain and that was the first thing that popped on in my head

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Condor
Responses only from past students who have actually paid back their loans in full please!

<-- right here.

Now you tell me, why is Bush such a lying, snivelling little worm? Doesn't he have the the balls to get up there and defend his policies?

He had just done that for 45 minutes to an hour before that question was raised. You didn't watch, did you? If you had, you could have posted something factual.

Oh, have you paid back your loan?

Yes, a rather large lump sum paid a few days after I got a letter asking me for my first payment.

Now lets get back on topic, so you can help me understand Bush..
Are you saying he's so stupid that he can't answer a few questions about his policies without forgetting what they are? Or is that he isn't aware of what he is signing into law to begin with? Or is it that he's a lying coward who cuts funding one day, then tells a student the next day that he didn't cut anything?

If I thought yopu had any desire to understand Bush, I would be more than glad to help. I know that attack, not understand, is your goal. A few questions? You really are uninformed aren't you. Students are lucky to get the funding in the first place and to whine about the conditions is beyond understanding!

Why do I have to ask you the same thing three times before I get an answer? If I'm wrong, and you're right, then tell me why Bush did what he did. Surely you can answer such a simple question without inquiring about my finances and other such nonsense distractions?

Look at the way you addressed our President. Apologise for that. Then we may talk. I didn't like Clinton, but I did not refer to him in those terms.

I will refer to him in the same terms I use to refer to everyone else, becuause I do not worship or defer to positions of power the way you (and sadly, a significant portion of americans) do. I find the whole concept absolutely repulsive.

Now why don't you defend your demi-god? This is the 4th time I've asked you this very simple thing and yet you continue with your digressions...

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: conjur
Why don't you answer the question? How does raising standards in lieu of cutting grants and loans help students get into college?

Show the board that you have the ability to think. Or, are you a prime example of why higher standards might be required?


And, btw, there's a "leadership race" thread that's been requesting your presence for some time.

The purpose is not merely to get into college, its to ensure they have a worthwhile experience there and that they remain in college.

How many times are you going to avoid the question?

How does instituting higher standards enable more students to enter college instead of providing grants and loans?

I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Drug dealing? Prostitution? Begging in the subway?

Asking intelligent successful liberals for aid.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Obviously the OP has never met a female college sophomore, or he would be aware that no one, not even Marshal Bush, is quite as daft, impressionable, and downright stupid as that.

Throw 'em a granola bar and run like hell.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Turkish
http://streaming.americanprogress.org/T...6/busheducation012306.320.240.mov.html

Bush was stumped during the Q&A session of his speech today by a sophomore at Kansas State.

Q: My name is Tiffany Cooper. I?m a sophomore here at Kansas State and I was just wanting to get your comments about education. Recently 12.7 billion dollars was cut from education. I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our futures?

[snip]

Bush: Actually, I think what we did was reform the student loan program. We are not cutting money out of it.

Tiffany clearly confused Bush. Not only did he have to turn to his aide for advice, but he confused truthiness with the truth. The facts:

Student Loans: On Dec. 21, 2005, the Senate passed $12.7 billion in cuts to education programs ? ?the largest cut in student college loan programs in history.? Vice President Cheney cast the deciding vote in favor of the cuts. The bill also fixed the interest rate on student loans at 6.8 percent, ?even if commercial rates are lower.? Despite Bush?s claims, students will be left off the program.

Pell Grants: Pell Grants have been frozen or cut since 2002; they are now stuck at a maximum of $4,050. In his 2000 election campaign, President Bush promised to increase the maximum Pell Grant amount to $5,100. ?From 2004 to 2005, 24,000 students lost their Pell grants, according to a report pre-pared by the Congressional Research Service. This was the first drop in the number of students receiving the grants in several years; the number had been growing steadily since 1999.?

Poor Tiffany, she will be put on "No access list", then will get monitored by the NSA. Oh, and No-Fly list too.

Soon after, she will get an IRS audit. Then some will ask "Why does Tiffany hate America so much?"

This will, for sure, justify the NSA spying on her.

On second thought, anyone named Tiffany Cooper has to be an idiot. Go back to your pom-poms and ponytails and let the adults run the country.

 

[Uhtrinity]

I saw the segment on the daily show, Bush was seriously oblivious (or acted) to the fact that 12 Billion had been cut from education. He fumbled for a good 5 - 10 seconds before asking an aide. They of course also showed snippets of other questions, all softball btw which mostly praised the president on a fine job, or espoused how supportive they are. Doesn't really reflect his 30 - 40% support rating. But what else should we you expect from yet another prescreened PR event. Bush cannot function in front of an audience of averge americans who want real answers to real questions.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: zendari
I've answered the question, several times. People can seek alternative sources of funding if they choose.

Drug dealing? Prostitution? Begging in the subway?

Asking intelligent successful liberals for aid.

That did it for me. If there was an ignore function on the board, I'd use it. In any case - ciao.