College Should be Free

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spanky

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Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: spanky
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
College Should be Free, they can pay for it with the money they would save on welfare and prisons and people would also make more and then pay more taxes also

some ppl can't make it through public grammar or high schools, so i don't see how free college would reduce welfare or crime.

i did not say it would elminate it now did i, i said it would lower it and it would.

before getting your panties in a bunch, when and where did i say it would eliminate welfare?
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
College Should be Free, they can pay for it with the money they would save on welfare and prisons and people would also make more and then pay more taxes also

free? who would pay the teachers? Who would pay for the printing of books? who wold pay for the electricity, heat, water..etc and insurance for the school? Who would pay for all the supplies that the teachers use? Who would pay the office personel? who would pay for the counselors and whatever?



who pays the teachers are a free highschool think before you post pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

It costs a lot more to run one university than it does a high school. Public schools are already underfunded, you want to take more money away from them?
 
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Originally posted by: SilentVixen
if college were free some people would be permanent students to keep from getting a job. overall a very bad idea

highschool is free and there i dont remeber to many permant students there, i do see your point and they could have some limits to keep it too certain number of years and maintain a certain gpa or something
 

astralusion

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Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: astralusion
no it shouldnt be, but at least some of it should be tax deductible...

why shouldnt it be? this is a typical liberal statment to say something with no reason behind it


well as wonderful as it would be if you could make the millions of dollars of expenses just randomly dissapear, it's not going to happen, the best we have now is that if there are financially challenged individuals who are smart enough they can get scholarships...i mean, can you rationally explain how they could just suddenly make all college education free without any sort of massive selectivity or reduction in quality?
 
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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: astralusion
no it shouldnt be, but at least some of it should be tax deductible...

why shouldnt it be? this is a typical liberal statment to say something with no reason behind it

Free public higher education IS a liberal statement moron.

Just because higher education is free does not mean more people will be able to go. Right now most colleges already offer huge amounts of money deductions. And in many cases, in some private schools, if they feel you should come to this school, they WILL find the money for you.

A lot of nations have free universities but their welfare and crime isn't necessarily lower than ours. Not to mention just because the college is free doesn't mean you're smart enough to get in. THe people on welfare and go to jail did'nt drop out of college because they couldn't afford, they just didn't go in the first place because they have no motivation to succeed (this is a sweeping generalization of course)

Liberals love welfare so they dont need free education so u are a moron
 
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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
College Should be Free, they can pay for it with the money they would save on welfare and prisons and people would also make more and then pay more taxes also

free? who would pay the teachers? Who would pay for the printing of books? who wold pay for the electricity, heat, water..etc and insurance for the school? Who would pay for all the supplies that the teachers use? Who would pay the office personel? who would pay for the counselors and whatever?

no like i said u can get the money from the prisons and welfare.

who pays the teachers are a free highschool think before you post pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

It costs a lot more to run one university than it does a high school. Public schools are already underfunded, you want to take more money away from them?

 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Just a show of hands, who here thinks the OP is a complete moron?

My brain is starting to rot just from reading the drivel in this thread.
 

CVSiN

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just think how many people you can send to college with 50 Billion... that they gave to Africa...

wow...
just wow..
i agree college should be free it would build a better stronger America..
college should not be just for the well to do..
 

astralusion

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now i'm just a little curious how much of our taxes go to education right now, and then if through taxes we were to pay for college (i'm not sure if you mean all college or just public universities with private institutions still available for a fee) how much they would increase, i honestly dont' know so if you would care to enlighten me, anyone really
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: astralusion
no it shouldnt be, but at least some of it should be tax deductible...

why shouldnt it be? this is a typical liberal statment to say something with no reason behind it

Free public higher education IS a liberal statement moron.

Just because higher education is free does not mean more people will be able to go. Right now most colleges already offer huge amounts of money deductions. And in many cases, in some private schools, if they feel you should come to this school, they WILL find the money for you.

A lot of nations have free universities but their welfare and crime isn't necessarily lower than ours. Not to mention just because the college is free doesn't mean you're smart enough to get in. THe people on welfare and go to jail did'nt drop out of college because they couldn't afford, they just didn't go in the first place because they have no motivation to succeed (this is a sweeping generalization of course)

Liberals love welfare so they dont need free education so u are a moron

What the fvck are you talking about. Liberals would LOVE it if there was no NEED for welfare. And government subsidized anything requires more taxes, more government involvement, everything conservatives are against. How about this, China offers a free college education. So does Sweden (i believe). Ones Communist and ones Socialist. See a trend?
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Mo0o

Public schools are already underfunded,

that is VERY debatable itself, most public schools spend more per student that private schools. govt monopoly is inefficient, there is no motivation to excel/spend money wisely
 

Mr N8

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If colleges were free, it wouldn't be long before they became bloated and inefficient. They would turn into the weak institutions that the majority of public high schools in the US have become. When you are in college, you want to be in class with people that can think for themselves and actually have worthwhile contributions. Most people will get a lot more out of an education when their money is paying for it, rather than just being handed a free education.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
just think how many people you can send to college with 50 Billion... that they gave to Africa...

wow...
just wow..
i agree college should be free it would build a better stronger America..
college should not be just for the well to do..

/furiously taps sarcasm meter
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Mo0o

Public schools are already underfunded,

that is VERY debatable itself, most public schools spend more per student that private schools. govt monopoly is inefficient, there is no motivation to excel/spend money wisely

I think poorly distributed is a better description. My highschool was ridiculously rich. One year all teachers received ibooks, the next year they got them new dell laptops, the nextyear they all got docking stations + LCDs. Plus we also upgraded our entire computer lab. But then I read about inner city schools that are grossly underfunded.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is pretty stupid to think that free college would get people off welfare and keep them out of prison
when was the last time you saw a heroin addict that wanted to go to college?
you know any gang bangers that have applied to harvard and were accepted but just couldn't afford it?

i didn't think so

people that want an education figure out a way to get one, most people on welfare and many that are in prison are there because of their choices in life, not because college cost too much money

not all people in prison are from gangs or drugs and i didnt say it would elminate it, it would cut down on the number of people in prison and welfare

no, it would make no difference, the money still has to come from somewhere (presumably taxes, since that is where libs pay for all "Free" social programs). free college will not cut down on the number of people in prison and welfare. it won't. nope. not today, not next week , not ever.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM
Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is pretty stupid to think that free college would get people off welfare and keep them out of prison
when was the last time you saw a heroin addict that wanted to go to college?
you know any gang bangers that have applied to harvard and were accepted but just couldn't afford it?

i didn't think so

people that want an education figure out a way to get one, most people on welfare and many that are in prison are there because of their choices in life, not because college cost too much money

not all people in prison are from gangs or drugs and i didnt say it would elminate it, it would cut down on the number of people in prison and welfare

no, it would make no difference, the money still has to come from somewhere (presumably taxes, since that is where libs pay for all "Free" social programs). free college will not cut down on the number of people in prison and welfare. it won't. nope. not today, not next week , not ever.

FoBoT, is it just me or is OP trying to defend free college education as something liberals would be against and something conservatives would support?
 

dabuddha

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Great idea. This way we can have the moronic idiotic kids in high school disrupt class in college because they don't want to be there but their parents make them go.
 

AtlantaBob

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Originally posted by: FreewareTownCOM

who pays the teachers are a free highschool think before you post pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee

If we had a free college system, would you attend classes that would help you with things like capitalization, grammar, and making sense?

"Who pays the teachers are a free highschool?" W.T.F.?
 

EyeMWing

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The kids that can afford to pay their own way need to stop taking the damn public scholarship money, but that's it as far as reforming this goes.