Coldplay, better than the Beatles

[TastesLikeChicken]

Yet another "Had to be there" comment.

You know what? I can listen to everything that was playing on the radio back then including the Beatles.

They're still shit.

Sure you can listen to everything that was playing back then. You are also familiar with music that has come since. One thing you can't do is listen to The Beatles without the knowledge of what came after.

No doubt you'll hear kids in the future claim that Queen, Nirvana, or Tool is shit compared to bands of their time. They won't ever have had the experience though of hearing Bohemian Rhapsody, Sounds Like Teen Spirit, or Sober for the first time when it was new, fresh, and completely original from anything else at the time. So, yes, you had to be there to really understand.

 

[zinfamous]

Pre-Waters = unlistenable
Post-Waters = Epic psychedelic rock that is w/o equal
Post-Waters = 80's garbage

So I would say they evolved once and devolved once.

do you mean:

Pre-Gilmour
Post-Barret
Post-Waters

?

I *think* there was a pre-Barret period, iirc, but very brief, and largely un-recorded, right?

 

[Nik]

Sure you can listen to everything that was playing back then. You are also familiar with music that has come since. One thing you can't do is listen to The Beatles without the knowledge of what came after.

No doubt you'll hear kids in the future claim that Queen, Nirvana, or Tool is shit compared to bands of their time. They won't ever have had the experience though of hearing Bohemian Rhapsody, Sounds Like Teen Spirit, or Sober for the first time when it was new, fresh, and completely original from anything else at the time. So, yes, you had to be there to really understand.

Nirvana and Tool are shit.

I've listened to Bohemian Rhapsody so many times that I don't particularly like it anymore.

I'm sure "being there" is part of the experience, but in all my studies through music, through all of my musical career, I have never found any music where the "experience" outweighs the music itself. On the whole, the music itself is 90% and the "experience" is 10%.

 

[Ns1]

Nirvana and Tool are shit.

I've listened to Bohemian Rhapsody so many times that I don't particularly like it anymore.

I'm sure "being there" is part of the experience, but in all my studies through music, through all of my musical career, I have never found any music where the "experience" outweighs the music itself. On the whole, the music itself is 90% and the "experience" is 10%.

so you gonna tell us what kinda super music you listen to so we can berate them too? thanks.

 

[sandorski]

I like Coldplay, but they don't come close to the Beatles.

 

[Nik]

so you gonna tell us what kinda super music you listen to so we can berate them too? thanks.

Wasn't the intention and you know it.

I have a bit of everything in my collection.

 

[LumbergTech]

music is subjective

 

[bfdd]

I see this kind of stuff posted constantly by kids that were born years after the Beatles were done. Sorry but your not old enough to have a valid opinion of the Beatles.

Unless you lived through those years you have no clue about the state of music at the time, and the significance of the inovations they initiated.
And comparing Coldplay to the Beatles is like comparing Justin Bieber to Frank Sinatra, no valid comparison can be made

Comparing Justin Bieber to Sinatra is vastly different than comparing Coldplay to the Beatles. Frank Sinatra and Bieber are two vastly different artists targeting two different audiences. Coldplay and the Beatles are similar types of bands targeting similar types of audiences. Fact is the Beatles FOR THE TIME were revolutionary, that doesn't mean that they were great. They were just new.

Also, like LumbergTech said music is subjective. You want to get into a pissing match over it because you somehow feel vested in something you shouldn't feel vested in. I really don't give a fuck what you think of my music or vice versa. I'm just stating my opinion.

 

[Ns1]

Wasn't the intention and you know it.

I have a bit of everything in my collection.

just sayin'

If you claim all these guys suck and then I find out you listen to Ke$ha and shit....

 

[bfdd]

So much music sucks I find myself listening to more electronica as the days go by because I just can't stand most "mainstream" music anymore. I listen to a lot of chillout style stuff.

 

[Ns1]

So much music sucks I find myself listening to more electronica as the days go by because I just can't stand most "mainstream" music anymore. I listen to a lot of chillout style stuff.

funny, I stopped listening to electronica cuz it got too cheesy.

 

[bfdd]

funny, I stopped listening to electronica cuz it got too cheesy.

Check out chillout and chillout dreams on di.fm so glad they have these stations now. been an avid listener to their broadcasts for like 9 or 10 years now.

 

[Nik]

just sayin'

If you claim all these guys suck and then I find out you listen to Ke$ha and shit....

Haha. There's only one Kesha song I like and I haven't heard it in so long I don't even remember what song it is. She's kinda cute, too :biggrin:

 

[Ns1]

Check out chillout and chillout dreams on di.fm so glad they have these stations now. been an avid listener to their broadcasts for like 9 or 10 years now.

i need angry music. at the very least i need dark, brooding music. Circa-2000 Christopher Lawrence/DFuse

One of the best things I've ever witnessed was Sasha/Digweed busting out a 4 hour set.

 

[Nik]

i need angry music. at the very least i need dark, brooding music. Circa-2000 Christopher Lawrence/DFuse

One of the best things I've ever witnessed was Sasha/Digweed busting out a 4 hour set.

You, sir, should listen to Finnish death metal.

 

[Ns1]

You, sir, should listen to Finnish death metal.

I actually just got out of a metal/death metal/swedish metal phase; very short lived.

I can handle Opeth and Dream Theater but that's about it. And even then, Opeth is small doses.

 

[Meghan54]

Ha Ha, save for the Beatles, Elvis and the Stones I bet you couldn't name another artist with a hit record in the 60's if your life depended on it. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but when commenting on an entire genre of music that was gone before you sucked on your first binky you won't find many that care about your opinion

He probably couldn't, but doing that would be quite simple....but then again, I watched the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show.

As for the Beatles, they were revolutionary for the time. True, their early albums and music was a tad bubble-gumish for my tastes, but they opened the doors for a massive explosion of music.

Personally, while I own most of the Beatles catalog, I don't have anything prior to Rubber Soul. But if you actually listen to their music, you can hear them evolving and growing as time passed, which is more than you can say for most bands over that or any time period.

But that was a period, from the mid-1960's through the mid-1970's, that bands actually had a sound. So when you heard a new song, you knew almost instantly who it was.

The Beatles didn't sound like The Who, or the Stones, or Black Sabbath or Deep Purple or Captain Beefheart or King Crimson or CCR or the Eagles or the Grateful Dead or The Doors or Iron Butterfly or Crosby, Stills and Nash (and Young) or Eric Clapton or David Bowie or Yes or Kansas or ELO or Frank Zappa or the Zombies or Steppenwolf or the Fugs or Rod Stewart or Fleetwood Mac or The Guess Who or Herman's Hermits or Paul Revere and the Raiders or Jimi Hendrix or Arlo Guthrie or ELP or Alice Cooper or Bad Company or Steely Dan.......and on and on.......

But those were vastly different days and music was different than it is today.....


But I doubt 50 years from now anyone is going to be debating Coldplay like we're debating the Beatles, almost 50 years after the fact.

As for me, I'm currently on a Steely Dan/Buffalo Springfield/Aztec Two Step kick.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Nirvana and Tool are shit.

I've listened to Bohemian Rhapsody so many times that I don't particularly like it anymore.

I'm sure "being there" is part of the experience, but in all my studies through music, through all of my musical career, I have never found any music where the "experience" outweighs the music itself. On the whole, the music itself is 90% and the "experience" is 10%.

My comment really wasn't about personal experience. Honestly, nobody is likely to give a fuck about my or your personal opinions on music. Whether you or I even like the music is neither here nor there anyway.

What I'm trying to point out is music/groups that had an impact on the music scene. It can't be denied that The Beatles had a huge, original impact that still reverberates today and will continue to do so into the future. People will still be talking about The Beatles 20 years from now. Coldplay? Doubtful.

 

[SSSnail]

We have another term for Coldplay around here - U2.

 

[evident]

I actually just got out of a metal/death metal/swedish metal phase; very short lived.

I can handle Opeth and Dream Theater but that's about it. And even then, Opeth is small doses.

in my opinion death metal may be cool for a week or first listen, then it gets extremely tiring on the ears.

the beatles are something anyone can listen to at any time.

 

[darkewaffle]

Obviously what Kanye is getting is he's better than Coldplay who are better than the Beatles, so A > B and B > C therefore A > C.

Kanye West, better than the Beatles.

 

[Ns1]

do you mean:

Pre-Gilmour
Post-Barret
Post-Waters

yes, that's what I meant. Thanks.

 

[YoungGun21]

Yo yo yo, I'm really happy for you, and Ima let you guys finish,

but I just wanted to say that Africa has the best music of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

Thank you.

 

[dfuze]

I'm not a fan of the Beatles but even I know that Coldplay isn't anywhere near the same class as them.