Coffin Unloading Ceremonies Coverage now Banned by Administration

[werepossum]

Do you even read the shit you copy into your posts? I didn't say anything about the names being "released". JSOC names are typically never released anyway you dolt. I was commenting on what was stated in the bit you copied into your post. See below :



Per the policy, photos of coffins of individuals are ok'd by the families. In the article copied/pasted by captain backfire, they explicitly state that some of the remains aren't ID'd, and that there are even cases where remains of multiple soldiers are in the same coffin.

Nothing dense about it. The situation is a cluster as far as the policy goes so they're doing the only logical thing they can. I suspect that this is even a DoD thing and Obama had little, if any, say in the matter. Froth away.

Um, these pictures were taken by the White House and distributed by the White House for political gain.

You can certainly quibble that other Presidents have done the same, that it was technically within DoD policy, and even that this is Obama's duty to the victims' families, depending on just how foolishly partisan you wish to appear. But to argue that "Obama had little, if any, say" in something done exclusively by his White House staff requires that either you or Obama be a totally mindless fool, you for being unable to perceive and/or cope with reality or he for being unable to perceive and/or control the actions of his own staff. (I specifically do not exclude the possibility of you both being totally mindless fools, I'm just not insisting on it.)

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Don't you know had that been Sarah getting her picture taken at Dover AFB that a thread very similar this one would have been made and certain people would be slobbering all over themselves like rabid dogs.

 

[Pens1566]

We were talking pictures of coffins. That policy. DoD. It even states that in the original article linked in OP.

"Pentagon officials had said that because 19 of 30 of the American families of the dead had objected to media coverage of the remains coming off a plane at Dover Air Force Base, no images could be taken." That is what I was referring to when stating Obama had no say in the matter.

Photo from white house photo of the day showed no coffins. On purpose. Just shadowed individuals on the runway. Only a complete moron would think that this is what was referred to when stating Obama had no say in the matter.

 

[Ausm]

Don't you know had that been Sarah getting her picture taken at Dover AFB that a thread very similar this one would have been made and certain people would be slobbering all over themselves like rabid dogs.

Her fellow brainless neocon wrap themselves in the flag followers?

 

[jman19]

holy fvck what a worthless thread.

don't you have something better to do than post stupid shit like this?

No, this is just a typical partisan troll thread by CAD. Most CAD threads are just partisan bickering / dem bashing and not about any issues that matter.

 

[dmcowen674]

Yet another CSG thread fail.

Liar thread title by the lying OP

From the article

The AP has covered every ceremony in which a family has agreed to coverage since the Pentagon lifted a total ban on media coverage at Dover in 2009, a total of 68 ceremonies this year at Dover through June 30.

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[Pens1566]

Liar thread title by the lying OP

From the article

The AP has covered every ceremony in which a family has agreed to coverage since the Pentagon lifted a total ban on media coverage at Dover in 2009, a total of 68 ceremonies this year at Dover through June 30.

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He doesn't read what he links/quotes.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Do you even read the shit you copy into your posts? I didn't say anything about the names being "released". JSOC names are typically never released anyway you dolt. I was commenting on what was stated in the bit you copied into your post. See below :



Per the policy, photos of coffins of individuals are ok'd by the families. In the article copied/pasted by captain backfire, they explicitly state that some of the remains aren't ID'd, and that there are even cases where remains of multiple soldiers are in the same coffin.

Nothing dense about it. The situation is a cluster as far as the policy goes so they're doing the only logical thing they can. I suspect that this is even a DoD thing and Obama had little, if any, say in the matter. Froth away.

Are you really that dense? They know who they are you twit. They just couldn't say for certain which parts are whos. Sheesh. And you morons are trying to say I'm backfiring... what a bunch of fools.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

He doesn't read what he links/quotes.

You didn't read my post, nor have you clicked the links I've provided in this thread.

I'll make it easy for you simpletons - the thread's title is an exact copy paste from a 2003 thread about the media blackouts of the coffins.


lol, and people wonder why this country is going down hill - we have morons like Pen, dave, red, etc that trip over their own noses...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

We were talking pictures of coffins. That policy. DoD. It even states that in the original article linked in OP.

"Pentagon officials had said that because 19 of 30 of the American families of the dead had objected to media coverage of the remains coming off a plane at Dover Air Force Base, no images could be taken." That is what I was referring to when stating Obama had no say in the matter.

Photo from white house photo of the day showed no coffins. On purpose. Just shadowed individuals on the runway. Only a complete moron would think that this is what was referred to when stating Obama had no say in the matter.

ok, so if the picture from the whitehouse was "ok" then why wasn't the media allowed to take pictures that didn't include the coffins? Why the blackout? This policy of blacking things out needs to stop, just like it needed to stop back in 2003.... or is it that BHO is in office so now it's ok to blame "policy"?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No, this is just a typical partisan troll thread by CAD. Most CAD threads are just partisan bickering / dem bashing and not about any issues that matter.

says the guy who never adds an ounce of substance to threads he (s)trolls through...

 

[Pens1566]

You didn't read my post, nor have you clicked the links I've provided in this thread.

I'll make it easy for you simpletons - the thread's title is an exact copy paste from a 2003 thread about the media blackouts of the coffins.


lol, and people wonder why this country is going down hill - we have morons like Pen, dave, red, etc that trip over their own noses...

And now you're just lying. I directly copied in a quote from the original Miami Herald article.

You blew past double down and went all in ...

 

[Thump553]

Obama spent a couple of hours with the families, in private, at Dover when the plane came in. Very classy act IMO, but odds are someone like CAD would find a conspiracy in it-or claim he was goofing off and we should dock his pay.

These families, and the Dept of Defense, are extremely concerned about privacy here. Some of the deceased were involved in taking down OBL. Some sort of revenge attack upon such a family is certainly not far fetched.

 

[jman19]

says the guy who never adds an ounce of substance to threads he (s)trolls through...

There was no substance to begin with. This is a troll thread that backfired on you.

Why do you always have to be such a hack? Ever wonder why almost all of your threads immediately go to shit?

 

[Pens1566]

ok, so if the picture from the whitehouse was "ok" then why wasn't the media allowed to take pictures that didn't include the coffins? Why the blackout? This policy of blacking things out needs to stop, just like it needed to stop back in 2003.... or is it that BHO is in office so now it's ok to blame "policy"?

You're either very stupid, or just really bad at trying to come up with things to deflect from this horrible thread. I guess both isn't out of the question either.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

There was no substance to begin with. This is a troll thread that backfired on you.

Why do you always have to be such a hack? Ever wonder why almost all of your threads immediately go to shit?

I know why they do and yet I still try to help you poor liberals to see the light. Very rarely do one of you take the blinders off though, it's sad really. I understand why you people do it and can take the attacks but I really do hope that one day you'll wake up. You don't have to agree with everything - just wake up and start thinking instead of defensively reacting...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Obama spent a couple of hours with the families, in private, at Dover when the plane came in. Very classy act IMO, but odds are someone like CAD would find a conspiracy in it-or claim he was goofing off and we should dock his pay.

These families, and the Dept of Defense, are extremely concerned about privacy here. Some of the deceased were involved in taking down OBL. Some sort of revenge attack upon such a family is certainly not far fetched.

I have exactly ZERO problem with BHO being there, meeting with the families, etc. It's what he should do, especially due to the size of the loss.

No, the privacy is an option extended to the families. And no, from the reports I've seen, it's not the same soldiers. Seals? sure, but not the same guys(again from reports I've read).

 

[CADsortaGUY]

And now you're just lying. I directly copied in a quote from the original Miami Herald article.

You blew past double down and went all in ...

I didn't say it wasn't there you twit. Did you read my post at all? Or are you really that stupid?

 

[Pens1566]

I didn't say it wasn't there you twit. Did you read my post at all? Or are you really that stupid?

"nor have you clicked the links I've provided in this thread" ...

Did you, or did you not link an article from the Miami Herald in the OP? Or are you suggesting I got to that article without physically clicking on the link in your post?

I'm not the one that's looking like a moron in this thread.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

"nor have you clicked the links I've provided in this thread" ...

Did you, or did you not link an article from the Miami Herald in the OP? Or are you suggesting I got to that article without physically clicking on the link in your post?

I'm not the one that's looking like a moron in this thread.

uh, the chain of responses was you licking up dave's drivel about the thread title. So if you'd have read what I had posted in this thread, you'd have known it was a direct copy of a thread title from 2003 that dealt with <gasp> media blackouts of coffins at dover.

 

[Pens1566]

uh, the chain of responses was you licking up dave's drivel about the thread title. So if you'd have read what I had posted in this thread, you'd have known it was a direct copy of a thread title from 2003 that dealt with <gasp> media blackouts of coffins at dover.

I could give a shit whether or not the thread title was "I did bad bad things to my Rosie O'Donnell blow up doll". It's incorrect, just like all your drivel inside it. My response to dave (who was correct, btw) had dick all to do with the title and was concerning the fact that even the article you linked in the OP doesn't help your ever-changing points in this thread. Not the first sentence in his post, read further before auto-replying. Look at his last sentence.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I could give a shit whether or not the thread title was "I did bad bad things to my Rosie O'Donnell blow up doll". It's incorrect, just like all your drivel inside it. My response to dave (who was correct, btw) had dick all to do with the title and was concerning the fact that even the article you linked in the OP doesn't help your ever-changing points in this thread. Not the first sentence in his post, read further before auto-replying. Look at his last sentence.

You replied to dave. his post was about the title. So? So what about his last sentence? doesn't matter if you actually read my posts. And no, NOT just the OP. Sheesh. Try to keep up if you are going to engage.
The point hasn't changed at all, chasing diversions has happened but the point is still there - you and others just seem to be willingly missing/ignoring it.
It's not that hard to admit your guy isn't perfect(note I was against this "policy" in the 2003 thread when Bush did it).

So I guess I have one set of questions for you and the other diversion/apologists:
Do you think the press should be allowed to cover these events or not? Does "policy" trump openness? Keep in mind I have no problem with a family wishing for privacy but this goes beyond that.

 

[Pens1566]

You're beyond difficult ... I'll just sit back with the rest and laugh.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You're beyond difficult ... I'll just sit back with the rest and laugh.

I've already had a chuckle every time I see you have responded. It's ok if you don't get it, just say so and ask for clarification instead of trying to attack.

 

[werepossum]

We were talking pictures of coffins. That policy. DoD. It even states that in the original article linked in OP.

"Pentagon officials had said that because 19 of 30 of the American families of the dead had objected to media coverage of the remains coming off a plane at Dover Air Force Base, no images could be taken." That is what I was referring to when stating Obama had no say in the matter.

Photo from white house photo of the day showed no coffins. On purpose. Just shadowed individuals on the runway. Only a complete moron would think that this is what was referred to when stating Obama had no say in the matter.

By your "logic", even photos of the coffins would be okay, since the actual remains weren't in the photograph. Note that the Pentagon press release says "no images could be taken." Not "no images could be taken of the actual coffins."

The press was barred from the event, to respect the families' wishes, as is proper. The White House nonetheless used at least one picture of the event. From the article:

A White House photographer was allowed to take and widely distribute a photo from the ceremony Tuesday for the return of the remains of 30 American troops killed in a weekend helicopter crash in Afghanistan despite the Pentagon's claim that any public depiction of the scene would violate the wishes of bereaved families.

News media coverage of the ceremony had been banned by the Pentagon over the objections of several news organizations.

Note the bolded, which is quite clear. Note the wording: despite the Pentagon's claim that any public depiction of the scene would violate the wishes of bereaved families. Obama broke a rule established by the Pentagon to protect bereaved families for his own political benefit. You are attempting to use semantics and sentence-parsing to defend Obama for no better reason than that he is a leftie.

This isn't even that big a deal - it's in character for almost any politician. Personally I wouldn't have thought it worthy of a thread, even though the bad behavior is undeniable. It's very illustrative however of the flaw in our hyper-partisan, two party system. A politician's partisans will go to any length, defy every last vestige of logic, to redefine even the mildest bad behavior of "their guy". This allows politicians to behave as badly as they wish whilst paying no price for doing so. Let's be honest; if Obama had published live footage of his recreation of "Weekend at Bernie's" using the soldiers' remains, you would find absolutely no fault with his behavior. If George Bush had dared to write condolence notes, you'd have been incensed. Far too many of us have redefined right and wrong in terms of right and left.