Coffin Unloading Ceremonies Coverage now Banned by Administration

[CADsortaGUY]

Lol, he doubled down

You going to add something to the thread or are you just going to continue your trolling like some of the others? Did you read the threads from 2003 i linked? Hmm....

 

[Red Dawn]

You going to add something to the thread or are you just going to continue your trolling like some of the others? Did you read the threads from 2003 i linked? Hmm....

I glanced over them. I almost feel bad for you, going through the effort to look up those threads to try and make a point only to have it completely blow up in your face.

 

[Tom]

Oh, you mean the shift in policy by BHO? And that shift was? Yet here we have an example of a total blackout(minus the political white house ones). So again, where is the outrage from you leftists who where going after Bush for doing this exact same thing?(media blackout)

BTW, it's still from 1991, just tweaked by Gates/BHO to allow family preference. In this case preference wasn't honored. The excuse is that a majority wanted privacy but it's not a reason to fully block the ceremony. Just do not photo portions that involve the soldiers that have family that want privacy. But no, a total blackout with one notable exception -the whitehouse... go figure.

tweaked ? respecting the families wishes is a 'tweak' ?

and the reason for a White House photographer is to ensure the families' wishes are respected while not trying to obscure the horror of war, or allow officials to distanced themselves from the consequences of their policies.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I glanced over them. I almost feel bad for you, going through the effort to look up those threads to try and make a point only to have it completely blow up in your face.

lol, nothing has backfired or blown up in my face. I fully expected you and your types to circle the wagons around BHO and attack me instead. It's not my fault you guys can't/won't see the point here but it sure does provide me some entertainment watching the contortions you all go through. It would however be nice to see someone actually have the sack to dare opine against the Administration's actions here even though it's their "side". I did it in 2003... hell, i even agreed with sandorski! but yeah, I don't expect it from those on the left here in P&N. I'd love to be surprised though.

 

[Atreus21]

lol, if you only had half a clue...

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=11154856&
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=9304700&
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=11159645&

So anyone want to actually comment on the issue at hand or are you going to continue to divert and attack?

I think you misunderstood me. I was counting the number of attempts from lefties to divert from the topic. Although now it's significantly more than two.

 

[KGB]

So now you believe the pentagon?

and no, it was NOT their decision. The pentagon made the blackout decision based on the statement above. You really think that would have flown during Bush? (i know you are naive but really?) The FACT is, the ceremony did not have to be blacked out yet it was - exactly like it was before 2009.

Wow, it's as if you people are putting the blinders on yourselves on purpose...

Look at it this way (I know it's difficult for you BUT JUST TRY!!!):

If every single one of those families had wanted this sad event covered IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKIN' COVERED!!!

Contrast that with 8 years ago...

 

[Red Dawn]

lol, nothing has backfired or blown up in my face. I fully expected you and your types to circle the wagons around BHO and attack me instead. It's not my fault you guys can't/won't see the point here but it sure does provide me some entertainment watching the contortions you all go through. It would however be nice to see someone actually have the sack to dare opine against the Administration's actions here even though it's their "side". I did it in 2003... hell, i even agreed with sandorski! but yeah, I don't expect it from those on the left here in P&N. I'd love to be surprised though.

King Arthur: [after Arthur's cut off both of the Black Knight's arms] Look, you stupid Bastard. You've got no arms left.
Black Knight: Yes I have.
King Arthur: *Look*!
Black Knight: It's just a flesh wound.

 

[KGB]

lol, nothing has backfired or blown up in my face. I fully expected you and your types to circle the wagons around BHO and attack me instead. It's not my fault you guys can't/won't see the point here but it sure does provide me some entertainment watching the contortions you all go through. It would however be nice to see someone actually have the sack to dare opine against the Administration's actions here even though it's their "side". I did it in 2003... hell, i even agreed with sandorski! but yeah, I don't expect it from those on the left here in P&N. I'd love to be surprised though.

Why do you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is a partisan hack for the Democrats? I saw your ludicrous thread title, read the article cited and realized you got the whole premise ass fuckin' backwards. I'm just callin' a spade a spade.

 

[KGB]

King Arthur: [after Arthur's cut off both of the Black Knight's arms] Look, you stupid Bastard. You've got no arms left.
Black Knight: Yes I have.
King Arthur: *Look*!
Black Knight: It's just a flesh wound.

 

[Ausm]

king arthur: [after arthur's cut off both of the black knight's arms] look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
Black knight: Yes i have.
King arthur: *look*!
Black knight: It's just a flesh wound.

pwned

lmao

 

[Tom]

the government stopping embarassing coverage is not at all the same as families choosing to keep their affairs private.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

King Arthur: [after Arthur's cut off both of the Black Knight's arms] Look, you stupid Bastard. You've got no arms left.
Black Knight: Yes I have.
King Arthur: *Look*!
Black Knight: It's just a flesh wound.

lol, Keep trying that angle(trolling) if you wish but it doesn't change the facts.

 

[Red Dawn]

lol, Keep trying that angle(trolling) if you wish but it doesn't change the facts.

And the facts are you were wrong.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

the government stopping embarassing coverage is not at all the same as families choosing to keep their affairs private.

I agree. In this case the whole thing was blacked out unnecessarily. There was no reason to black the whole thing out even if what the pentagon stated was true.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

And the facts are you were wrong.

nope, try again. This time take your blinders off.

 

[Tom]

I agree. In this case the whole thing was blacked out unnecessarily. There was no reason to black the whole thing out even if what the pentagon stated was true.

you could be right, but that's a judgement call as to whether the media could be trusted to respect the families' wishes. As long as Nancy Grace and her ilk are part of the "media", I wouldn't put a lot of trust in them.

It still isn't the same as government censorship, which is how I saw the Bush policy.

 

[finglobes]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/10/2353818/white-house-photo-sparks-protest.html

It is also quite sickening how the whitehouse put up a picture from the ceremony they blocked others from photographing. The Pentagon didn't even have their photogs there but BHO sure wasn't going to miss the opportunity...

Obama has used dead vets for photo op before. Back in 09 he was getting hammered in press for not having met with Afghanistan generals in many months - but having met with SEIU dozens of times. Obama ran to Dover to get snapped with returning dead bodies. The guy is soulless (of course he also threw his granny down the well) .

 

[CADsortaGUY]

you could be right, but that's a judgement call as to whether the media could be trusted to respect the families' wishes. As long as Nancy Grace and her ilk are part of the "media", I wouldn't put a lot of trust in them.

It still isn't the same as government censorship, which is how I saw the Bush policy.

It's pentagon policy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...as-dover-trip/2011/08/10/gIQATlKy6I_blog.html

Carney was also asked why reporters and photographers were unable to view the dignified transfer ceremony at Dover. Normally, the military gives families the option of allowing reporters into the event, and many families choose to allow it.

In this case, however, the families were not given that option, Carney said. The reason was that the service members, who were killed on Saturday along with eight Afghan allied troops when their Chinook helicopter crashed during a mission, had not yet been positively identified. A Dover official said the crash was so horrific that the bodies would require DNA, dental and fingerprint examinations to make positive identifications.
...
Josh Earnest, one of Carney’s deputies, stressed that the decision was made by the military based on Defense Department protocol. Because the remains had not been positively identified, some were potentially commingled in the transfer containers and, therefore, an individual family could not request media presence while a particular container was being transferred.

“There are a variety of reasons why the press was not allowed to cover the dignified transfer of remains,” Carney said. “Normally families have to give permission, but because of the state of the remains, the policy was that the press would not be allowed.”

I agree that the media can be rabid dogs but as noted they have covered others and have likely done so respectfully. In this case however even the families that wanted it allowed were denied. The policy sucks - just like it did when this thread was posted in 2003. And this notion that the gov't can just black it out because of XYZ is BS even if XYZ isn't necessarily political.
People in 2003 claimed it was politics, yet now it's not? really? one can't suggest that it's "ok" now because of "policy" yet ignore that it was "policy" back then.

 

[Pens1566]

I'll play along ...

So if they can't ID the remains, how would you propose they obtain permission from next of kin to photo the caskets? This should be good.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I'll play along ...

So if they can't ID the remains, how would you propose they obtain permission from next of kin to photo the caskets? This should be good.

You really think that the names weren't known yet there was a big dust up over releasing the list of names?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'll play along ...

So if they can't ID the remains, how would you propose they obtain permission from next of kin to photo the caskets? This should be good.

Huh? Are you really this dense?

 

[Thump553]

What an awesome backfire-repeatedly-and CAD boy is still trying to spin this into a Watergate type scandal. What a tool.

 

[ElFenix]

holy fvck what a worthless thread.

don't you have something better to do than post stupid shit like this?

 

[Pens1566]

You really think that the names weren't known yet there was a big dust up over releasing the list of names?

Do you even read the shit you copy into your posts? I didn't say anything about the names being "released". JSOC names are typically never released anyway you dolt. I was commenting on what was stated in the bit you copied into your post. See below :

Huh? Are you really this dense?

Per the policy, photos of coffins of individuals are ok'd by the families. In the article copied/pasted by captain backfire, they explicitly state that some of the remains aren't ID'd, and that there are even cases where remains of multiple soldiers are in the same coffin.

Nothing dense about it. The situation is a cluster as far as the policy goes so they're doing the only logical thing they can. I suspect that this is even a DoD thing and Obama had little, if any, say in the matter. Froth away.

 

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