Coffin Unloading Ceremonies Coverage now Banned by Administration

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Lifer
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/10/2353818/white-house-photo-sparks-protest.html

It is amazing how quiet the left has been over this since there was such gnashing when this happened during the Bush Admin. It is also quite sickening how the whitehouse put up a picture from the ceremony they blocked others from photographing. The Pentagon didn't even have their photogs there but BHO sure wasn't going to miss the opportunity... ;)
 
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CADsortaGUY said:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/10/2353818/white-house-photo-sparks-protest.html

It is amazing how quiet the left has been over this since there was such gnashing when this happened during the Bush Admin. It is also quite sickening how the whitehouse put up a picture from the ceremony they blocked others from photographing. The Pentagon didn't even have their photogs there but BHO sure wasn't going to miss the opportunity... ;)
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You actually object to the President paying his respects with a photographer while keeping out the media?
 
Engineer

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Obama needs to get us the fuck out of these stupid ass wars as he promised.
 
HomerJS

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The policy of not allowing these pictures was enacted by the Pentagon in March 2009. This policy obviously developed before Obama took office (Jan 09) so the title is blatently false.

Also the currely policy was enacted in the context of taking picture of caskets of family members who object so you have a 2x fail.

Mods need to force correction.


Under a Pentagon policy set in 2009, media coverage at the Dover base is allowed only when family members of the war dead approve. In the case of multiple sets of remains returning as a group, photographers take pictures of those approved caskets only and are ushered away before the remains of any troops whose families declined coverage are brought out of the plane.
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Under the Pentagon policy spelled out in March 2009, the option to allow media access is explained to family members when they are notified of their loved one’s death, and “primary next of kin will make the family decision regarding media access to dignified transfers at Dover.”
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Yeah looks like Obama is following in Bush's footsteps yet again...funny how Rethuglicans have short term memory loss.
 
CADsortaGUY

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HomerJS said:
The policy of not allowing these pictures was enacted by the Pentagon in March 2009. This policy obviously developed before Obama took office (Jan 09) so the title is blatently false.

Also the currely policy was enacted in the context of taking picture of caskets of family members who object so you have a 2x fail.

Mods need to force correction.
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Nope, try reading the links you twit. This is NO different than it was in 2003 except for BHO using one of the photos of the blocked event immediately on the WH website.

BTW, the policy was from 1991.

The only thing the mods need to do is to keep the trolls from posting in this thread. Atleast you attempted(although failed) to address the topic. :)
 
HomerJS

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CADsortaGUY said:
Nope, try reading the links you twit. This is NO different than it was in 2003 except for BHO using one of the photos of the blocked event immediately on the WH website.

BTW, the policy was from 1991.

The only thing the mods need to do is to keep the trolls from posting in this thread. Atleast you attempted(although failed) to address the topic. :)
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Obviously quotes from the very article you cited means nothing.
 
CADsortaGUY

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HomerJS said:
Obviously quotes from the very article you cited means nothing.
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Oh, you mean the shift in policy by BHO? And that shift was? Yet here we have an example of a total blackout(minus the political white house ones). So again, where is the outrage from you leftists who where going after Bush for doing this exact same thing?(media blackout)

BTW, it's still from 1991, just tweaked by Gates/BHO to allow family preference. In this case preference wasn't honored. The excuse is that a majority wanted privacy but it's not a reason to fully block the ceremony. Just do not photo portions that involve the soldiers that have family that want privacy. But no, a total blackout with one notable exception -the whitehouse... go figure.
 
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Actually CAD you're wrong (yet again). Before Obama the policy was no photos allowed ever. I'm too lazy to look it up but I recall an instance where the deceased's family wanted pictures during Shrub's administration and it was refused.

Under Obama's administration, and pursuant to pressure from the White House, the policy was changed to basically as you outlined above-no photos unless the family allows them, and then all sorts of restrictions to make sure they are dignified, etc. You won't find the Westboro clan there. There have been several instances of published respectful pictures since the change, included one instance where Obama visited the plan.

Obviously what happened here is that at least one of the thirty families involved did not want pictures, and their wishes were honored. The bodies were not identified when the plane landed-that is to be done on at Dover-so your half-assed idea of photoing part of the ceremony wouldn't work.

Sorry it offends you-but I'm not surprised it is the foundation of yet another one of your factually wrong misguided attacks upon the President.
 
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This thread makes clear how laughably superficial and meaningless our two-party system is. They dont set policy. The Afghan war is about drug money. Trillions in opium money altogether now. Same with Vietnam; different drug, but same policy. More than 10% of global GDP can be tied directly to these Wars For Drugs, and the War on Drugs that was put in place to generate more profits from these Wars For Drugs. Do any of you even comprehend how big this is? The reason it has grown so big is due solely to the juvenile nature of political discourse. There is absolutely no difference between Bush and Obama, none that matters anyway. If you cannot see that you do not know anything about politics. You are right where they want you. They spent billions to get you to think a certain way, and that ignorance will generate 10 times as much in profits for them, while all your opportunities fade away. This should be obvious to any thinking person. Indeed it makes a good litmus test for political awareness.
 
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CADsortaGUY said:
Nope, try reading the links you twit. This is NO different than it was in 2003 except for BHO using one of the photos of the blocked event immediately on the WH website.

BTW, the policy was from 1991.

The only thing the mods need to do is to keep the trolls from posting in this thread. Atleast you attempted(although failed) to address the topic. :)
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"Under a Pentagon policy set in 2009, media coverage at the Dover base is allowed only when family members of the war dead approve. In the case of multiple sets of remains returning as a group, photographers take pictures of those approved caskets only and are ushered away before the remains of any troops whose families declined coverage are brought out of the plane.

The Pentagon said that in this case no family could give permission because any given case could contain the remains of troops whose families did not want coverage. The Pentagon said that during initial notification of next of kin, 19 of the 30 families said they did not want media coverage."

This was the decision of the grieving families to NOT allow the press in. It is THEIR decision.

Thus, ... CSG thread fail yet again.
 
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Thump553 said:
Actually CAD you're wrong (yet again). Before Obama the policy was no photos allowed ever. I'm too lazy to look it up but I recall an instance where the deceased's family wanted pictures during Shrub's administration and it was refused.

Under Obama's administration, and pursuant to pressure from the White House, the policy was changed to basically as you outlined above-no photos unless the family allows them, and then all sorts of restrictions to make sure they are dignified, etc. You won't find the Westboro clan there. There have been several instances of published respectful pictures since the change, included one instance where Obama visited the plan.

Obviously what happened here is that at least one of the thirty families involved did not want pictures, and their wishes were honored. The bodies were not identified when the plane landed-that is to be done on at Dover-so your half-assed idea of photoing part of the ceremony wouldn't work.

Sorry it offends you-but I'm not surprised it is the foundation of yet another one of your factually wrong misguided attacks upon the President.
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Nailed it ^
 
CADsortaGUY

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Thump553 said:
Actually CAD you're wrong (yet again). Before Obama the policy was no photos allowed ever. I'm too lazy to look it up but I recall an instance where the deceased's family wanted pictures during Shrub's administration and it was refused.

Under Obama's administration, and pursuant to pressure from the White House, the policy was changed to basically as you outlined above-no photos unless the family allows them, and then all sorts of restrictions to make sure they are dignified, etc. You won't find the Westboro clan there. There have been several instances of published respectful pictures since the change, included one instance where Obama visited the plan.

Obviously what happened here is that at least one of the thirty families involved did not want pictures, and their wishes were honored. The bodies were not identified when the plane landed-that is to be done on at Dover-so your half-assed idea of photoing part of the ceremony wouldn't work.

Sorry it offends you-but I'm not surprised it is the foundation of yet another one of your factually wrong misguided attacks upon the President.
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Uh, no shit. I never said there wasn't a shift. HOWEVER, in this particular case it was as if there was never a policy shift.
IN THIS CASE, just because 1 or more(actually more than 50% said no) doesn't mean the whole thing should be blacked out(there have been multis since 2009). It is very possible to not photo the parts of the ceremony that deal with those that do not wish for the press - just as in the other cases since the policy shift.

It's hilarious how you fluffers just don't dare question the messiah. In this case, it was plain wrong and departed from the policy shift. And if you and the other fluffers read through the links I provided, my stance is consistent;)
 
CADsortaGUY

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Lifer
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KGB said:
"Under a Pentagon policy set in 2009, media coverage at the Dover base is allowed only when family members of the war dead approve. In the case of multiple sets of remains returning as a group, photographers take pictures of those approved caskets only and are ushered away before the remains of any troops whose families declined coverage are brought out of the plane.

The Pentagon said that in this case no family could give permission because any given case could contain the remains of troops whose families did not want coverage. The Pentagon said that during initial notification of next of kin, 19 of the 30 families said they did not want media coverage."

This was the decision of the grieving families to NOT allow the press in. It is THEIR decision.
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So now you believe the pentagon?

and no, it was NOT their decision. The pentagon made the blackout decision based on the statement above. You really think that would have flown during Bush? (i know you are naive but really?) The FACT is, the ceremony did not have to be blacked out yet it was - exactly like it was before 2009.

Wow, it's as if you people are putting the blinders on yourselves on purpose...
 
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