Codey Makes It Illegal To Smoke In Bars...

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I'd just like to state that in these last few pages, Amused has pwned you all.

More and more of our freedom is taken away every day in this country, but the sad part is that people are actually asking for it.

The laws passed in your state and this country are amended (or new ones created) all the time.
If you don't like it, move to another state or country

zing!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

SHHHH! When you prove him wrong, he will try and take that fact and say it proves his point that smoking should be banned in all private businesses by the nanny-state.

... says ATOT's self congratulory omniscient jackass.

So Mr Know it all - explain how you dont have any duty to your licencees and invitees. I'm still waiting for an answer to that plus a half dozen other questions and you're still blabbering about "nanny staters".

The minute you shelve the ad hominem attacks and idealogue blatherings that I've been mocking since my first post will be the first time youve made a post without them.

In other words, look in the mirror pal.

Duty? My only duty is to provide them with what I have promised, at the price I have promised. If my store is billed as non-smoking, it is my duty to ensure that it remains smoke free. If my store is billed as smoking allowed, it is my duty to provide them with a comfortable atmosphere in which to smoke. Who I cater to, and what prefereces I cater to is MY BUSINESS. Not yours, theirs, or anyone else's.

You simply don't like me because we disagree... and when you try to debate me, you get soundly whipped. Your constant insults and whining only serve to make you look pathetic.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I'd just like to state that in these last few pages, Amused has pwned you all.

More and more of our freedom is taken away every day in this country, but the sad part is that people are actually asking for it.

It's the inherent flaw in mass franchise democracy for people to sacrifice their own freedoms in their spite for one another. The gradual slide into the "tyranny of the majority." Except the majority is a constantly changing group, the special interest of the moment you might say. As such, it really is the most cannibalistic of political structures. At all times, the individual is expected to pick a side in order to protect himself from the majority of the moment, and a constant Us vs. Them attitude becomes the norm with the nation always at war with itself.
The solution, our Founding Fathers wisely knew, was to limit the power of government in order to protect the individual (the smallest minority of all) from the majority. But the safeguards they put in place scarcely exist anymore, or are recognized for what they are.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Shawn
woohoo! It has been this way in FL for a while now. I love how all the smokers come out of the woodwork and get their panties in a bunch.

Who says all the people against these bans are smokers? That would be no different than saying that everyone against the drug laws is a drug addict, now wouldn't it? And just as false. Maybe... just maybe... we're people who think it's pretty damned hypocritical to outlaw smoking on private property specifically designated for the consumption of another poison just as bad, i.e. alcohol. Maybe... just maybe... we think you whining nanny-staters suck with the way you want to run everyone's lives. Ever consider that? And if they can outlaw smoking, then obviously the next step is to bring back prohibition and outlaw alcohol again. It's only a matter of time. As for me, I just hate moral crusaders of all stripes, religious and secular. Nastiest, least agreeable people on earth.

whiney nanny-staters
please keep P&N attitude out of this Vic. is it that hard for you to just stick to debating and not be condescending?

oh and call me when we have Prohibition enacted. :roll:
THE END IS NEAR! RUN!!! RUN!!! All of our rights are going to vanish one by one because toxic chemicals have been eliminated from restaurants and bars.


doom and gloom, yeh that's the ticket.

Really? And Shawn's argument wasn't condescending? It didn't gleefully promote separation? "Yeah, we passed a law to fsck other people!" Are you saying that wasn't the tone? Because it was.

"Toxic chemicals have been eliminated from restaurants and bars"???? Excuse me, is that a glass of alcohol in your hand? FYI: 100,000 people in the US die every year from alcohol abuse. This entire smoking ban in bars argument is one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen.

And even more so because you don't want people to know that voluntary no-smoking bars work. The same argument you used that the bans don't hurt bars financially also means that many bars would be happy to switch on their own, without the need for any draconian ban. In fact, such voluntary no-smoking bars have been quite successful here in Oregon for the past 15 years, and more keep switching over all the time. But oh no, you gotta have your little law... :roll:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

somebody call the waaaaaaaambulance. :laugh:

My point exactly. Despite all your altruistic claims, your actual motivations on this issue are selfishness and sadism. You just want to stick "it" to some people you don't like, and you enjoy being able to (ab)use the force of government to do so. And yet you ask to be treated with respect... :roll:

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I'd just like to state that in these last few pages, Amused has pwned you all.

More and more of our freedom is taken away every day in this country, but the sad part is that people are actually asking for it.

i'd like to state that i don't agree with you. TheAdvocate had some great points, but Amused is just more seasoned at arguing.

Whats even more sad is that people like you are praising our elected officials for taking away business owners rights, when your not a business owner.

This argument is simple, its cut and dry and there really isn't an "opinions are like a$$holes" viewpoint to be had on it. There are too viewpoints, one is in the name of individual freedom and the other is in the name of fascism. So how well he argues is irrelevant. Everything he stated was fact and not just opinion.

Business owners should have the right to choose. There will always be more and more businesses that switch to non smoking formats (with all the anti-smoking setiment nowandays), if you can't find good restaurants in your area with no smoking then your severly deficient at life or your not looking hard enough.

Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong. Until smoking is illegal, placing bans on owners like this is more then just wrong, its taking away the rights that the owner is entitled to.

What pains me even more is that a lot of people dont see that. I have no problem with people who have a problem with smokers, and I couldn't care less if one day 95% of every bar and restaurant is smoke free - but it has to be done by the owners because its their right to do it. Every day we lose more rights as Americans, so many that one day this country could be closer to the Chinese government and yet you don't care. As long as you get your way, individual freedom on these kind of things dont matter.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

SHHHH! When you prove him wrong, he will try and take that fact and say it proves his point that smoking should be banned in all private businesses by the nanny-state.

... says ATOT's self congratulory omniscient jackass.

So Mr Know it all - explain how you dont have any duty to your licencees and invitees. I'm still waiting for an answer to that plus a half dozen other questions and you're still blabbering about "nanny staters".

The minute you shelve the ad hominem attacks and idealogue blatherings that I've been mocking since my first post will be the first time youve made a post without them.

In other words, look in the mirror pal.

Duty? My only duty is to provide them with what I have promised, at the price I have promised. If my store is billed as non-smoking, it is my duty to ensure that it remains smoke free. If my store is billed as smoking allowed, it is my duty to provide them with a comfortable atmosphere in which to smoke. Who I cater to, and what prefereces I cater to is MY BUSINESS. Not yours, theirs, or anyone else's.

X - wrong. Plus, you missed the point of the question - where were your rants when the dozens of other "infringement" laws were passed on the same common sense basis? You missed the point that the way the real world works is that personal interests are weighed against one another when determining individual rights. As more and more people crowd the world, our scope of rights becomes limited by sheer numbers, not idealogies. But you chose to totally ignore that fact because you have no answer for it. It doesnt fit in with your idealogue rant.

You simply don't like me because we disagree...

No, i don't like you because you're a partisan windbag who disrespects everyone on this forum. Every one of your posts is some personal dressing down of how stupid anyone who opposes you is and who you supposedly owned them. It's perhaps the most immature thing Ive ever seen on ATOT.

 

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: codeyf
I've done no such thing!





But I can't complain

lol

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I'd just like to state that in these last few pages, Amused has pwned you all.

More and more of our freedom is taken away every day in this country, but the sad part is that people are actually asking for it.

It's the inherent flaw in mass franchise democracy for people to sacrifice their own freedoms in their spite for one another. The gradual slide into the "tyranny of the majority." Except the majority is a constantly changing group, the special interest of the moment you might say. As such, it really is the most cannibalistic of political structures. At all times, the individual is expected to pick a side in order to protect himself from the majority of the moment, and a constant Us vs. Them attitude becomes the norm with the nation always at war with itself.
The solution, our Founding Fathers wisely knew, was to limit the power of government in order to protect the individual (the smallest minority of all) from the majority. But the safeguards they put in place scarcely exist anymore, or are recognized for what they are.

I couldn't agree with you more. I can only hope our founding fathers were right in other matters as well, because this country is in need of another revolution.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

If you want to bring up things that give cancer, I could simply say "the entire world that we live in nowandays." Where did you father work? What kind of cancer did he have? Unless it was lung cancer, you have no case.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

what type of cancer did he die of?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

:thumbsup:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

what type of cancer did he die of?

it started in his lungs, and traveled to his brain and liver. he was gone in 9 months after his brain tumor was discovered.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

Text :roll:

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

what type of cancer did he die of?

it started in his lungs, and traveled to his brain and liver. he was gone in 9 months after his brain tumor was discovered.

how do they know that it started in his lungs?

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

Your a fvcking idiot. Did you forget the part where I explicitely stated - as long as everything IS LAWFUL. Smoking isn't against the law, all of these things you've mentioned here ARE. Next maybe we should outlaw businesses from selling alcohol, its basically the same thing - unlike all your analogies. What about the alcoholics who can't see or smell beer without getting withdrawal symptoms or something. Should we care about them or should they have just stayed the fvck home and ate?

TheAdvocate is a fvcking moron beyond compare /thread.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

If you want to bring up things that give cancer, I could simply say "the entire world that we live in nowandays." Where did you father work? What kind of cancer did he have? Unless it was lung cancer, you have no case.

it was lung cancer. please don't downplay it. i point blank asked two of his oncologists if second hand smoke could be the cause, and those guys tell it like it is when you ask them point blank. neither of them would say it without a doubt it wasn't the cause.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Amused

SHHHH! When you prove him wrong, he will try and take that fact and say it proves his point that smoking should be banned in all private businesses by the nanny-state.

... says ATOT's self congratulory omniscient jackass.

So Mr Know it all - explain how you dont have any duty to your licencees and invitees. I'm still waiting for an answer to that plus a half dozen other questions and you're still blabbering about "nanny staters".

The minute you shelve the ad hominem attacks and idealogue blatherings that I've been mocking since my first post will be the first time youve made a post without them.

In other words, look in the mirror pal.

Duty? My only duty is to provide them with what I have promised, at the price I have promised. If my store is billed as non-smoking, it is my duty to ensure that it remains smoke free. If my store is billed as smoking allowed, it is my duty to provide them with a comfortable atmosphere in which to smoke. Who I cater to, and what prefereces I cater to is MY BUSINESS. Not yours, theirs, or anyone else's.

X - wrong. Plus, you missed the point of the question - where were your rants when the dozens of other "infringement" laws were passed on the same common sense basis? You missed the point that the way the real world works is that personal interests are weighed against one another when determining individual rights. As more and more people crowd the world, our scope of rights becomes limited by sheer numbers, not idealogies. But you chose to totally ignore that fact because you have no answer for it. It doesnt fit in with your idealogue rant.

You simply don't like me because we disagree...

No, i don't like you because you're a partisan windbag who disrespects everyone on this forum. Every one of your posts is some personal dressing down of how stupid anyone who opposes you is and who you supposedly owned them. It's perhaps the most immature thing Ive ever seen on ATOT.

I answered the question. You smply don't like the answer.

And tell me, what side am I a partisan of???

And yet, again with the insults. It's all you have anymore...

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

Text :roll:

You need to read that definition - you made the argument, not me.

I also love the reasoning "assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions" - uhhh it's illegal to smoke in restaurants now.

 

[Vic]

I'm sorry about your father, but death is inevitable. I'm 34 years old, and I've already lost 8 friends my own age in this life. 3 to cancer. 1 from brain cancer just this past April. These smoking bans won't save any lives.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

:thumbsup:

And you've last all respect I would or every could have had for you by agreeing with his assinine statements. Maybe you should read what I said again, as long as the business owner isn't breaking any laws, he should have the right to choose. Hiring illegal immigrants for $.20 is illegal on a federal level, as is everything else he said. Smoking is not.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

what type of cancer did he die of?

it started in his lungs, and traveled to his brain and liver. he was gone in 9 months after his brain tumor was discovered.

how do they know that it started in his lungs?

that is what we were told. i am not making this up for effect.
they can tell where a tumor begins,the primary site, and then what areas it spreads to.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

He's talking out of his arse. On average, a person inhales 1/10 of 1% to 1% of the smoke of a cigarette from second hand smoke

Shhh you are talking about scientific evidence...I am more concerned about the crap I inhale during my daily commute to work from car emmissions then any 2nd hand smoke I ever inhaled at a bar.

i haven't heard that scientific evidence. is there a non bias link to it?

I still haven't heard of a single person you have known to die of second hand smoke.

why are you repeating this? i answered that already. cancer kills those who smoke cigs just like it kills those who breath in unfiltered cig smoke.
my father died of cancer. he never smoked, but my mother smoked and he had relatives who smoked ALL THE TIME around him. he also hunted and played softball and hung out at bars all the time after those activities. can i prove that second hand smoke killed him? let's say the docs suggested it, and it cannot be proven that it was not the cause.
and don't you dare say anything derogatory about my father.

i even posted a link somewhere in this hellhole of a thread that showed a study that measured the difference in the amount of the chemical that is a precursor to cancer in workers blood compared to before and after the smoking ban went into effect. obviously it showed the workers were better off now.

what type of cancer did he die of?

it started in his lungs, and traveled to his brain and liver. he was gone in 9 months after his brain tumor was discovered.

So what did he do for a living? Are you simply avoiding my question on this? Are you sure he wasn't around asbestos or anything?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Forcing business owners to do something, anything that deprives them of that business - assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions - is wrong.

Your absolutely unfailable idealogy has won me over. I'm a new man. Anything we tell private business owners to do is WRONG!

Tomorrow I'm opening ATOT's Tot Market. Activities we will engage in:

- Employing child labor, 16 hour shifts, at $.20/hr
- Storing toxic chemicals in unsealed containers on the back corner of our property near where kids play
- serving only white christian males and females who properly respect their master spouses and refer to minorities using racial slurs
- We will use a rusty toaster oven, our cold storage freezer will be moldy, and we will never clean or sanitize anything out of customer sight
- The entire building will be made of asbestos with no public warning signs.
- And oh yeah, we're moving next door to YOU, because zoning laws are completely WRONG. We're also gonna open a meat packing plant to cover our overhead.

Yep. I cant wait. Fvcking nanny staters!@!!

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You need to read that definition - you made the argument, not me.

I also love the reasoning "assuming everything and everyone involved is lawful in their actions" - uhhh it's illegal to smoke in restaurants now.

Excuse me? Are you really that stupid? No... don't answer that, I already know that you are. Pardon me while I go back to running my child labor sweatshop... :roll: