If you don't make drinking and driving illegal, does that excuse the drunk drivers that kill people? I would blame the drunk drivers first, then the people who didn't make it illegal. I promote personal responsibility. That means that the people who made this mess deserve responsibility first and foremost. The next blame goes to the government who didn't make oversight more priority.
At the end of the day, just because something isn't heavly regulated, the ones who actually DID the damage should take the blame. They walk away with BILLIONS while congress gets the entire blame?
Doesn't make sense to me.
Blame the drunk drivers who did so knowingly, THEN you can blame the policemen who were asleep at the wheel.
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Personally I think so. I'm just jabbing those here who 'change their tune' on the sole basis of which particular party is advocating it.Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Trickle down economics.
So is it a valid economic theory or not?
For your analogy to work you would first need to legalize drunk driving. Congress in essence if you use your analogy for unregulated CDS and derivative markets legalized drunk driving. They sure as hell share the blame.
You are correct neither side did a good job in this disaster. Do you think either side will be punished for it?
If you read my post you'd see that I blamed them, just not as much as the ones that knowingly actually did the damage and who reaped the rewards, whom which none of the people here blame at all.
The title of this thread is truly mind-bending. Fox News, I can't think of another news organization that has blatantly sponsored anything like this teabagging or otherwise. And much less such demagogue kookiness...
Yea, but how many were there because since Obama has taken office, they've lost their jobs? Or how many were there because they think that raising taxes will hurt the company that they work for and they might get laid off? Or How many people were there because they are afraid that their bosses might have to let them go because their bosses cannot afford the tax increases?
Its okay my friend. Have some more koolaid.. Your job will be okay. Your friends jobs will all be okay. Hey, did you know Obama just got a new dog. yippee!
Why do people always point to this time period when looking at the top bracket? Why dont they mention the lowest bracket was 20-22% instead of the 10% we have now? Is the answer more taxes for everybody or just the rich in their eyes?
What dishonest delusions. The debt to gdp ratio is going to skyrocket which is huge to this guy. He doesnt really address how it goes down, only goes into healthcare reforms are going to somehow help this problem. Like a new govt program has ever "reduced" the size of govt?!?!?!?!?!
The withholding changed due to a tax credit. From the horse's mouth:
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/ar...e/0,,id=204447,00.html
I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. A refundable tax credit is a tax cut for those who qualify, even if it's in a bit of a roundabout way.
It's spidey... he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I've heard this in several threads now, your taxes did in fact change... and they got lower. It's a refundable tax credit... ie: you don't have to pay it back.
Todays Conservatives love to Be and feel Persecuted...Their self pity seems to be a character trait..
I noticed some time ago that there is something in the psyche of todays political conservatives that loves to cast themselves as a persecuted minority. The only thing that I'd add is that it's not something that's exclusive to them. I've also noticed that religious conservatives love to cast themselves as being a persecuted minority. And, they both cast themselves as a persecuted minority even when they are in the majority. It's something that perhaps a psychologist can understand.
Jonah Goldberg continuously insisted that conservative magazines are so very, very important to the political landscape - indispensably so -- because conservative voices are frozen out of mainstream media venues by The Liberal Media, so that poor, lonely, stigmatized conservatives can only get right-wing opinion in places like Weekly Standard and National Review. In between Jonah's petulant laments about how conservative opinion cannot be heard in The Mainstream Media, Bill Kristol talked about his New York Times column and his Washington Post column, John Podhoretz told stories about his tenure editing The New York Post Editorial Page and Charles Krauthammer's years of writing a column for Time and The New Republic, and Jonah referenced his Los Angeles Times column...Nearly unimprovable, as parody. The perfect April fools joke.
In the broader view, one has to see that self pity and its concomitant emotion - resentment - must be a key psychological element of authoritarians and their followers. Never doubt the mass movements that can be grown and sustained through appeals to self-pity.
Blowhards Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly (not to mention Congresswoman Bachman) are trying like hell to whip up a frenzy of hate by using the legitimate anger of the lower classes against their own interests. Rather than point towards the moneyed interests (which make up the ruling class) as the true source of their collective misery, the demagogues are attempting to channel that rage toward the "other": immigrants, intellectuals, gays, Atheists etc.
Periods of severe economic downturn can be ripe opportunities for fascism to take root, and today is no exception.
"Believe in something. Even if it's wrong." - Glenn Beck
I noticed some time ago that there is something in the psyche of todays political conservatives that loves to cast themselves as a persecuted minority. The only thing that I'd add is that it's not something that's exclusive to them. I've also noticed that religious conservatives love to cast themselves as being a persecuted minority. And, they both cast themselves as a persecuted minority even when they are in the majority. It's something that perhaps a psychologist can understand.
Jonah Goldberg continuously insisted that conservative magazines are so very, very important to the political landscape - indispensably so -- because conservative voices are frozen out of mainstream media venues by The Liberal Media, so that poor, lonely, stigmatized conservatives can only get right-wing opinion in places like Weekly Standard and National Review. In between Jonah's petulant laments about how conservative opinion cannot be heard in The Mainstream Media, Bill Kristol talked about his New York Times column and his Washington Post column, John Podhoretz told stories about his tenure editing The New York Post Editorial Page and Charles Krauthammer's years of writing a column for Time and The New Republic, and Jonah referenced his Los Angeles Times column...Nearly unimprovable, as parody. The perfect April fools joke.
In the broader view, one has to see that self pity and its concomitant emotion - resentment - must be a key psychological element of authoritarians and their followers. Never doubt the mass movements that can be grown and sustained through appeals to self-pity.
Blowhards Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly (not to mention Congresswoman Bachman) are trying like hell to whip up a frenzy of hate by using the legitimate anger of the lower classes against their own interests. Rather than point towards the moneyed interests (which make up the ruling class) as the true source of their collective misery, the demagogues are attempting to channel that rage toward the "other": immigrants, intellectuals, gays, Atheists etc.
Periods of severe economic downturn can be ripe opportunities for fascism to take root, and today is no exception.
"Believe in something. Even if it's wrong." - Glenn Beck
I guess after your post I understand why conservatives feel this way. In your post alone they are referred to as:
"poor, lonely, stigmatized.."
"Blowhards"
"demagogues"
And people such as above are:
"Trying like help to whip up a frenzy of hate"
"channel that rage"
And of course all this is directed at:
"Gays, immigrants, atheists, and intellectuals" I assume by intellectual you mean someone who things like you do.
Gee, I have no idea why conservatives may feel the way they do right now. It couldn't be because of all the names and lies that the left throws out about them like you just did? Or, should I say the HATE you throw out at them? The tea parties were awefully peaceful for these people so full of hatred and rage toward gays, immigrants, atheists, and intellectuals"..
Ahh, another paronid delusion of todays 21st century right wing - "enemies everywere" ... see how much of the modern American "conservative" movement is driven by "enemies". Myriad enemies actually. It is what drives the organized right and its media darlings I mentioned in this country.
And along side this "enemy" driven agenda is ironically, the totally innocent notion of their pureness and goodness. They are angelic sinless victims of myriad enemies. And not just normal equal enemies. But Devils and demons, liberals, leftys, and the "others" - that have absolutely no reason to hate them but that they are just evil inherently. A total lack of empathy marks todays modern American right. They are absolutely incapable of seeing anything from the perspective of their enemies. The loyalty of the True Believer is a Marvel to behold.
The Right Has Become Eric Cartman...
In the recent "Fish Sticks" episode of "South Park," Cartman becomes increasingly convinced that a joke he more or less stole was really created by him. At one point when complaining to Kyle, Kyle responds "I believe you. I believe you think that's what happened," and he goes on to explain to Cartman that the only way evil people can continue to do the things they do is that, in their heads, they genuinely believe their warped version of reality. And, of course, as the episode continues, Cartman's memory of the original joke writing session grows increasingly askew, and as it does, he becomes more and more convinced that a wrong has been perpetrated against him rather than the other way around -- until at the conclusion he accuses the wronged party of the very act he originally committed.
Really, you couldn't come up with a better metaphor for the conservative movement in this country now.
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