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CNN Panel: Kanye West a "token negro" and "is what happens when negros don't read"

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BrandonT said:
I've consistently asked how racism MEANINGFULLY decided the election. And since it was the Rust Belt that flipped from '08, that is where we should look at the numbers. I've said this every god damned post now. No goal posts moved. And if you don't like my response to your numbers, than quit citing generalized trends woven into your simplified narrative, devoid of actual nuance to what was actually MEANINGFUL.

In other words, who cares how Alabama voted? Raciss gonna race. That's not how Trump won.

The PA example is enlightening. As you said yourself, it was a decline in Black voters that *likely* won Trump that state, not an increase in racist white PAer's. And why was that? Is the problem that black PAer's didn't recognize Hillary for the noble and incorruptible leader she is?

Maybe they saw her for what she really was. No matter what you believe you have to admit it doesn't look good when a week after the election Australia announced that while they are very proud of their humanitarian work with the Clinton Foundation, they won't be giving any more money to them. And two months after that Chelsea's nobody husband that could still manage to raise hundreds of millions for his hedge fund, announced they were closing the fund due to redemptions. None of that is a smoking gun, but it sure looks like quid pro quo to me.

Now we can disagree on our view of the facts, or each other's rational, but when I come on here in good faith to try to hash these important issues out with fellow citizens and I get called out for being a self-serving liar, how is that going to move our country forward?

In 2 or 6 years Trump will be gone, and all of the worlds problems will remain - probably much worse. Who are you going to blame then? The actual agents of political power, or whatever boogeyman those agents trot out for you to villianize?
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PA like in other states, gerrymandered districts helped Republicans. Courts forced them to redraw a more realistic map. Let see what happens this time...

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Watch Kanye's rant and listen to some of Trum's past rants. These two are one in the same. In this case Kanye out "ego'ed" and out "narccisted" Trump for 10 minutes. What in any responsible or sane President's mind would you invite Kanye in to the White House as a subject matter expert?
 
I just want someone who is arguing in favor of West being there to tell me what this did to help or advance anything other than his own profile. This was a reality show from the oval office. Nothing more. Someone explain who or what this helped.
 
Remember when Fox News and the right wing had a meltdown when The Obama's invited Common to the White House to participate in a poetry reading? You conservatives should be ashamed of yourselves. Then again knowing Trump's M.O. of doubling down, Lil' Wayne will be in DC next week to discuss Meddle East peace.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...ite-house-poetry-michelle-obama_n_859945.html

Here's Jon Stewart punching Bill O'Reilly in the face on Fox News's hypocrisy
 
HomerJS said:
Remember when Fox News and the right wing had a meltdown when The Obama's invited Common to the White House to participate in a poetry reading? You conservatives should be ashamed of yourselves. Then again knowing Trump's M.O. of doubling down, Lil' Wayne will be in DC next week to discuss Meddle East peace.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...ite-house-poetry-michelle-obama_n_859945.html

Here's Jon Stewart punching Bill O'Reilly in the face on Fox News's hypocrisy
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to quote esky... it's almost like they weren't sincere in their criticism.
 
HomerJS said:
Remember when Fox News and the right wing had a meltdown when The Obama's invited Common to the White House to participate in a poetry reading? You conservatives should be ashamed of yourselves. Then again knowing Trump's M.O. of doubling down, Lil' Wayne will be in DC next week to discuss Meddle East peace.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...ite-house-poetry-michelle-obama_n_859945.html

Here's Jon Stewart punching Bill O'Reilly in the face on Fox News's hypocrisy
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FoxNews demographic: "If it hasn't been mentioned on FoxNews in the past 14 days then it never happened"
 
fskimospy said:
The electorate was not the same in 2016 as it was in 2008.

Regardless, empirical evidence indicates that racism played a significant part in predicting a Trump vote.
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fskimospy said:
Are you being serious right now? It is self evidently true because a lot of the people who voted in 2016 weren’t 18 in 2008 and a bunch who were 18 are now dead.

Regardless, it’s pretty obvious the electorate changed.

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I think you simply proved a lack of enthusiasm among Democrats in '16.
Fewer Blacks voting for the White Democrat might be a sign of racism, but not the way you'd think.

fskimospy said:
He actually has one of the smallest lists of accomplishments for the first two years of a presidency in history. He's done very little, at least in comparison to his predecessors. I mean just look at the comparison to Obama, it's pathetic.
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Then Drudge has a link to the perfect propaganda for you:
If we make up a bunch of BS, then he is THE MOST BIGLY PRESIDENT EVAR!!!!11!!
 
Jaskalas said:
I think you simply proved a lack of enthusiasm among Democrats in '16.
Fewer Blacks voting for the White Democrat might be a sign of racism, but not the way you'd think.
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I was showing two separate things. The first was that he challenged the (self evidently true) statement that the electorate was simply made of different people in 2016 than it was in 2012 so concluding that individuals must have suddenly become racist or whatever is silliness. That's what showing declining African-american participation proved.

The second part was the part that covered racism and that racism helped Trump win. This is shown by empirical research into what attributes of a voter were most predictive of casting their vote for Trump. Racism was a significant factor there so it is reasonable to conclude that absent such racism Trump would have lost.
 
I just watched one of the media outlets (MSNBC) say Kanye West was saying racist things, pushing white supremacy, and being anti-black. Then they spun it as anti-women for added bullshit icing on the cake. The leftist media is fucking stupid.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I just watched one of the media outlets (MSNBC) say Kanye West was saying racist things, pushing white supremacy, and being anti-black. Then they spun it as anti-women for added bullshit icing on the cake. The leftist media is fucking stupid.
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Link/transcript.

Why don't you give us your interpretation of Kanye's soliloquy
 
SlowSpyder said:
I just watched one of the media outlets (MSNBC) say Kanye West was saying racist things, pushing white supremacy, and being anti-black. Then they spun it as anti-women for added bullshit icing on the cake. The leftist media is fucking stupid.
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This may not be what is going on in Kanyes brain but it is what is coming out of his mouth.. Support the pussygrabber you support the bothsides tiki torchin' roymoore pedophilin sacks of shit that all together is the foundation of what Trump is all about. YOU try and paint it as something different cause maybe you got a soul down somewhere you have to align with your choises with... I dont know, to the rest of the world its pretty clear whats what.
 
cytg111 said:
This may not be what is going on in Kanyes brain but it is what is coming out of his mouth.. Support the pussygrabber you support the bothsides tiki torchin' roymoore pedophilin sacks of shit that all together is the foundation of what Trump is all about. YOU try and paint it as something different cause maybe you got a soul down somewhere you have to align with your choises with... I dont know, to the rest of the world its pretty clear whats what.
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Kanye & Slow are both getting played, just in slightly different ways.
 
FelixDeCat said:
And yet Democrats are going to lose badly in November.

Carry on, guys. Your strategy is working. 🙂
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Ahh, now something with meat. OK let's revisit this after the election. "Lose badly" means Republicans substiantially gain in the House and Senate, simply because there's no other way to rationally interpret those words.

That being a given I wonder how you will spin any gains made as "lose badly"?
 
cytg111 said:
This may not be what is going on in Kanyes brain but it is what is coming out of his mouth.. Support the pussygrabber you support the bothsides tiki torchin' roymoore pedophilin sacks of shit that all together is the foundation of what Trump is all about. YOU try and paint it as something different cause maybe you got a soul down somewhere you have to align with your choises with... I dont know, to the rest of the world its pretty clear whats what.
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Taj does this all the time. He supports the piece of shit person but tries to separate himself from their shitty behavior.

I fully support Trump but I disavow
advocating for violence
racism
sexually assaulting women
pathological lying

That like saying, "I'm against gassing Jews but love me some Hitler"

Can't have it both ways.
 
Jhhnn said:
Kanye & Slow are both getting played, just in slightly different ways.
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I disagree. Kanye is a willing participant and responsible for his own actions. Trump's record is open for all to see and if he chooses to act this way it's all on him, entirely. It's possible that he's doing this in a "it's better to be spoken about badly than not spoken of" mentality, but he's suffering from a vast ego occupying a tiny mind. He's a black Trump in many ways so the affinity factor is there.
 
fskimospy said:
The second part was the part that covered racism and that racism helped Trump win. This is shown by empirical research into what attributes of a voter were most predictive of casting their vote for Trump. Racism was a significant factor there so it is reasonable to conclude that absent such racism Trump would have lost.
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Does that deviate from a predictor of a standard Republican voter?
Could also say that, absent a bunch of old white guys, Trump would have lost.

Racism speaks to the motive for their vote. But surely you'd recognize that motive may not be singularity focused on any one issue, for any particular person, towards any particular candidate. Not sure how you think their motives are quantified.

You could argue border security is racism, but when people fear "others" there is often a real underlying cause, such as economic fears. Trump sold the people on scapegoats to address economic woes, for policies such as trade wars and walls. I doubt you'd accuse them of hating Asians for wanting to attack China on trade.
 
Jaskalas said:
You could argue border security is racism, but when people fear "others" there is often a real underlying cause, such as economic fears. Trump sold the people on scapegoats to address economic woes, for policies such as trade wars and walls. I doubt you'd accuse them of hating Asians for wanting to attack China on trade.
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I heard that from a demographic perspective, the Trump voter was not much different than the Romney voter or the McCain voter. But I also think that economic and social dislocation played a role in Trump's win.

To me, it's not an issue of the economically distressed voter turning to Trump, it's an issue of the economically distressed voter not voting at all. I would argue that for all the economic chest thumping, Obama failed to deliver for these people, and they responded by staying home.
 
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