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[skyking]

If they were both raised to be sexist pigs then that makes sense that Chris would see nothing wrong in helping his brother out.

 

[MrSquished]

I guess our family values are just different.

I've been thinking about it since this story first broke, and I really can't say there's anything I wouldn't do to protect either of my brothers.

What if your brother was Donald Trump or Tucker Carlson?

 

[Zorba]

I guess our family values are just different.

I've been thinking about it since this story first broke, and I really can't say there's anything I wouldn't do to protect either of my brothers.

That's fucked up. No way I would support my brother assaulting or raping women. Doesn't mean I'd never talk to him again, but sure as shit wouldn't cover for him. The fact that you would probably says much more about your views of women than family.

 

[Zorba]

What if your brother was Donald Trump or Tucker Carlson?

Or this piece of shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Nassar? "Yeah, my brother has molested hundreds of pre-teen and teen girls, but it is my duty as a brother to cover it up and slut shame those fucking whores that he abused."

Same type of people that wouldn't prevent their teenage son from taking a gun to school and shooting up the place.

 

[cytg111]

I guess our family values are just different.

I've been thinking about it since this story first broke, and I really can't say there's anything I wouldn't do to protect either of my brothers.

Extend that to your own offspring. I've known since a couple of years after they were born that, hey, if they turn out to be serial killers... then peeps gotta die and I get to dispose of some bodies... It is what it is.

 

[pmv]

I guess our family values are just different.

I've been thinking about it since this story first broke, and I really can't say there's anything I wouldn't do to protect either of my brothers.

One question though is - would you, having done what you felt you had to do for them, then accept paying the price for your actions?

That seems to be the point at issue with this story - not whether Cuomo A should have helped out Cuomo B, but whether, having done so, he should accept that there's a price to be paid for doing that?

Another question (a completely different one, really), is, how far does one take this logic? Does it extend to "my country, right or wrong'? Would you be prepared to commit crimes and moral evils in the name of class or racial solidarity, or for an ideology? Or does it stop at immediate family? How about for a cousin?
(makes me think of that genetic biologist line that goes something like "I'd be prepared to lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins")

 

[cytg111]

(.. or one biological identical twin)

 

[Viper1j]

looks lik A Cuomo has to return the 5.1 million he rec'd for the covid pandemic book deal:

Andrew Cuomo Ordered to Give Back the $5.1 Million He Made Off a Covid-19 Book He Didn't Write

Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo was ordered to return the $5.1 million he made from the Covid-19 book he made his staffers write.

www.rollingstone.com

It's going to be a hoot watching them try to seize the 500K that he donated to a charity.

Let them explain why the cancer kids can't go to the fair.

 

[Viper1j]

One question though is - would you, having done what you felt you had to do for them, then accept paying the price for your actions?

That seems to be the point at issue with this story - not whether Cuomo A should have helped out Cuomo B, but whether, having done so, he should accept that there's a price to be paid for doing that?

Another question (a completely different one, really), is, how far does one take this logic? Does it extend to "my country, right or wrong'? Would you be prepared to commit crimes and moral evils in the name of class or racial solidarity, or for an ideology? Or does it stop at immediate family? How about for a cousin?
(makes me think of that genetic biologist line that goes something like "I'd be prepared to lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins")

For me, it stops at the people that were in my home. Mom, Dad, Brothers. The rest might be family, but they're not Family.

Edit: My kids too. They're Family.

 

[pmv]

For me, it stops at the people that were in my home. Mom, Dad, Brothers. The rest might be family, but they're not Family.

I can understand that (I kind of feel the same way). But I still think the relevant question for this thread is not whether he should have done what he did to help out "Family", but whether there's anything wrong with him now having to pay the price for it. Seems to me he can't hardly carry on as a 'neutral' commentator now, and should just accept that's the sacrifice he willingly made for his brother.

 

[Viper1j]

I can understand that (I kind of feel the same way). But I still think the relevant question for this thread is not whether he should have done what he did to help out "Family", but whether there's anything wrong with him now having to pay the price for it. Seems to me he can't hardly carry on as a 'neutral' commentator now, and should just accept that's the sacrifice he willingly made for his brother.

Nah, He should just recuse himself from any reporting regarding like a judge would do.

Question. If you knew your child had killed someone, would you call the cops on them?

Humans are the only animals on the planet that willfully abandon their young. Most species will die defending/protecting them.

 

[echo4747]

It's going to be a hoot watching them try to seize the 500K that he donated to a charity.

Let them explain why the cancer kids can't go to the fair.

I doubt they will try to recoup the money directly from the charity. I do however think he likely has the ability to return that 500k that was donated. He is probably worth at least a few million.

 

[hal2kilo]

One less Smercomish lite gone, is all I can say.

 

[Zorba]

Nah, He should just recuse himself from any reporting regarding like a judge would do.

Question. If you knew your child had killed someone, would you call the cops on them?

Humans are the only animals on the planet that willfully abandon their young. Most species will die defending/protecting them.

The vast majority of species abandon their young never to see them again. Even fewer will fight to the death to protect them. Male Bear's will kill their own offspring to fuck the mom again.

 

[Viper1j]

The vast majority of species abandon their young never to see them again.

Granted, you don't see many animals putting their young through college, but they don't go anywhere, until their young are able to fend for themselves.

 

[Zorba]

Granted, you don't see many animals putting their young through college, but they don't go anywhere, until their young are able to fend for themselves.

Meanwhile humans are known for kicking their toddlers to the curb,. WTF are you talking about? Humans care for their young longer than any other species and much further into adulthood.

Just because a parent wouldn't cover up for a murdering or raping child, doesn't mean they are abandoning their defenseless child.

So if your brother was raping your daughter, which family trumps the other? I'm guessing you'd deal with it "within the family" just like the Duggers.

 

[Viper1j]

Meanwhile humans are known for kicking their toddlers to the curb,. WTF are you talking about? Humans care for their young longer than any other species and much further into adulthood.

Just because a parent wouldn't cover up for a murdering or raping child, doesn't mean they are abandoning their defenseless child.

So if your brother was raping your daughter, which family trumps the other? I'm guessing you'd deal with it "within the family" just like the Duggers.

Never happen.

Unlike the Duggers, there's no piss in my gene pool.

 

[Zorba]

Never happen.

Unlike the Duggers, there's no piss in my gene pool.

Based on how you are talking here, I'm sure it could've happened in the room next to and you would've never even questioned it. This is why abusers love pushing the family unity and loyalty crap.

 

[Viper1j]

Based on how you are talking here, I'm sure it could've happened in the room next to and you would've never even questioned it. This is why abusers love pushing the family unity and loyalty crap.

Not happening. I always believe my daughters. If they haven't lied to me and 32 years, but don't expect them to start anytime soon.

 

[pmv]

The vast majority of species abandon their young never to see them again. Even fewer will fight to the death to protect them. Make Bear's will kill their own offspring to fuck the mom again.

Makes me suspect Viper1j never had pet gerbils as a child. Never had that experience of them having vast numbers of kids, then coming down one morning and noticing there were fewer youngsters in the cage than there had been, and the mother looked suspiciously well-fed. Maybe with a bit of a tail still sticking out of their mouth.

 

[pmv]

Nah, He should just recuse himself from any reporting regarding like a judge would do.

He should just get a completely different job.

Question. If you knew your child had killed someone, would you call the cops on them?

Don't have a child, but I don't at all deny that sort of thing is a real, and huge, dilemma. Read of cases in the news where it's gone either way. I don't know what I would do - I suspect it might depend very much on what I felt about the person they killed, to be brutally honest.
But there's still a difference between making that decision at the time, and then later trying to avoid the concequences for yourself of that decision.

Humans are the only animals on the planet that willfully abandon their young. Most species will die defending/protecting them.

That's simply not true. Almost the complete opposite of the truth. Most species act entirely on instinct, that tends to follow the brutally-pragmatic logic of genetics. Humans are one of the few animals that override that with learned cultural behavior, probably making them _more_ supportive of their young, on average.

 

[Viper1j]

Makes me suspect Viper1j never had pet gerbils as a child. Never had that experience of them having vast numbers of kids, then coming down one morning and noticing there were fewer youngsters in the cage than there had been, and the mother looked suspiciously well-fed. Maybe with a bit of a tail still sticking out of their mouth.

Nope, had dogs since I was 4 or 5 though. Remember one growling at me like I was a stranger when I tried to pick up a newborn puppy.