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[compuwiz1]

How about your rapist in chief? Talk about him for a second.

Example of what happens to brains on CNN. This thread is about Cuomo; I'm sorry you're butt wrecked about it!

 

[shortylickens]

Example of what happens to brains on CNN. This thread is about Cuomo; I'm sorry you're butt wrecked about it!

I dont watch CNN.

I know Donald is a rapist, a pedophile, and a daughterphile.

 

[UNCjigga]

Example of what happens to brains on CNN. This thread is about Cuomo; I'm sorry you're butt wrecked about it!

Nobody cares enough to be "butt wrecked" that Fredo got fired-o. Nobody. Not even sure who watched that show outside of NY.

I get the sense that CNN's lawyers uncovered some things that may not yet be public about the younger Cuomo--perhaps not even related to his support of brother Andrew--and they fired him before those things became public. They moved rather quickly to go from suspended to fired.

 

[hal2kilo]

Nobody cares enough to be "butt wrecked" that Fredo got fired-o. Nobody. Not even sure who watched that show outside of NY.

I get the sense that CNN's lawyers uncovered some things that may not yet be public about the younger Cuomo--perhaps not even related to his support of brother Andrew--and they fired him before those things became public. They moved rather quickly to go from suspended to fired.

Why, yes there was, of a harassment type of situation. More to come.

 

[eelw]

Why, yes there was, of a harassment type of situation. More to come.

Yes believe the harassment allegations. But one has to wonder why only now? Incident apparently when he worked in ABC. He’s been with CNN for like a decade already.

 

[Steltek]

I get the sense that CNN's lawyers uncovered some things that may not yet be public about the younger Cuomo--perhaps not even related to his support of brother Andrew--and they fired him before those things became public. They moved rather quickly to go from suspended to fired.

This.

I suspect that it will turn out he was far more deeply involved behind the scenes than we'll ever hear about. And, who knows, it may also turn out he may have a skeleton or two in the closet similar to his older brother that we don't know about either. A lot of those talking heads seem to suffer from significant cases of "untouchable arrogant prick syndrome".

I think I prefer CNN's quick action over what Rupert's Fox Fantasy News division has done in its multitude of similar situations in the past.

And, if it was a "wrongful" termination, Chris Cuomo's mouthpieces would already be screaming to the high heavens about the lawsuits they were going to file. Instead, cue the crickets from his side....

 

[cytg111]

Example of what happens to brains on CNN. This thread is about Cuomo; I'm sorry you're butt wrecked about it!

Then why tf were you talking about some Tobin guy? Worshipper of rapist men you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Interesting thread. Personally, I can’t see how helping out a brother to escape the consequences of that behavior and whom also you know to be guilty of it, could be anything but unethical. And to use the resources of someone else like an employer to try to effect such succor would only compound the problem. And if the guilt of the brother you are trying to protect is of doubt in your own mind, you would still not be acting ethically to substitute your own judgement for that of the employer, it seems to me.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Interesting thread. Personally, I can’t see how helping out a brother to escape the consequences of that behavior and whom also you know to be guilty of it, could be anything but unethical. And to use the resources of someone else like an employer to try to effect such succor would only compound the problem. And if the guilt of the brother you are trying to protect is of doubt in your own mind, you would still not be acting ethically to substitute your own judgement for that of the employer, it seems to me.

how is this any different than a lawyer providing the best possible defense for their client in court, or doing PR/damage control?

the issue isn't the fact that Chris helped his brother, but HOW he went about doing that.

 

[NWRMidnight]

He can certainly be a brother, and I think Chris would be the first to say family comes first. CNN isn't saying he can't be a brother, they're saying don't use sources you've cultivated/managed/maintained under our umbrella for family gain, particularly without disclosing it. That's pretty reasonable. Chris mixed too much business with family. Is what it is.

I am sorry, that is horse shit! Every person uses their resources, contacts, and knowledge they have gained, learned to help family. People do it on a daily basis. IF you are sitting here trying to say you don't do it, you are lying out your ass.

 

[TheVrolok]

I am sorry, that is horse shit! Every person uses their resources, contacts, and knowledge they have gained, learned to help family. People do it on a daily basis. IF you are sitting here trying to say you don't do it, you are lying out your ass.

Uhhh not professionally they don't. Saying "a lot of people inappropriately use their power so it's OK!" is a pretty soft argument. I absolutely do not use my professional resources to treat family. I've had cousins ask, but I politely refuse. My wife and I would never put one another in that position. Chris crossed professional lines, it's that simple. I don't blame him for doing it, but getting fired isn't a surprise.

 

[NWRMidnight]

how is this any different than a lawyer providing the best possible defense for their client in court, or doing PR/damage control?

the issue isn't the fact that Chris helped his brother, but HOW he went about doing that.

That's just it, many people here don't seem to grasp or understand what brother's/family do when a family member is in trouble. They don't turn their backs, they first always try to believe the family member is innocent, and they always do what they can to keep the family member out of trouble. It's just how close families work..

 

[NWRMidnight]

Uhhh not professionally they don't. Saying "a lot of people inappropriately use their power so it's OK!" is a pretty soft argument. I absolutely do not use my professional resources to treat family. I've had cousins ask, but I politely refuse. My wife and I would never put one another in that position. Chris crossed professional lines, it's that simple. I don't blame him for doing it, but getting fired isn't a surprise.

You wanna bet?

I don't want to get into your personal life or your job, but I am willing to be along the line you have done things that are connect to your job to help your family, you just don't consider it a conflict. other's would. It could be as small as Hey, I know this person, he can help you out.. Where did you learn of that person? From your job... Or, Hey, I can get you a good deal on computer hardware (due to your connections from your job). Guess what that means.. you used resources from your job to help family out...But it's so small you discount it as nothing, where others may not.

 

[TheVrolok]

You wanna bet?

I don't want to get into your personal life or your job, but I am willing to be along the line you have done things that are connect to your job to help your family, you just don't consider it a conflict. other's would. It could be as small as Hey, I know this person, he can help you out.. Where did you learn of that person? From your job... Or, Hey, I can get you a good deal on computer hardware (due to your connections from your job). Guess what that means.. you used resources from your job to help family out...But it's so small you discount it as nothing, where others may not.

I think you're being too literal here. I'm a physician. The analog for me would be leaning on a colleague to affect a particular treatment for a family member. I absolutely would never.

Saying "hey, xxx is a good cardiologist" is what you're describing and incredibly short of the lengths it's reported that Chris went.

 

[Moonbeam]

how is this any different than a lawyer providing the best possible defense for their client in court, or doing PR/damage control?

the issue isn't the fact that Chris helped his brother, but HOW he went about doing that.

I covered the latter point. As to the former, I didn't know that the younger Cuomo was his older brother's lawyer. Our court system is adversarial by design to insure that the presumption of innocence is preserved until a verdict is rendered. We have prosecuting and defending attorneys that are charged with filling those roles. It is the system. Why you conflate the roll of a defense attorney with the role of a brother I do not know, but it makes no sense to me at all.

A brother is not legally obliged to assume his brother's innocence. I only described what I think is the ethical answer where there is knowledge of guilt. I

 

[NWRMidnight]

I think you're being too literal here. I'm a physician. The analog for me would be leaning on a colleague to affect a particular treatment for a family member. I absolutely would never.

Saying "hey, xxx is a good cardiologist" is what you're describing and incredibly short of the lengths it's reported that Chris went.

So, as a doctor you never give your family any medical advice? What treatments are best, what doctors to go thru, or never asked a colleague a medical question in hopes to get a better insight on a family medical issue so you can give them better advice? Or are you telling me any time a family member, this includes wife, kids, brothers sisters, parents needs any medical guidance, you say no because it's unethical? Any advice you give them, did you learn it all on your own time or thru your employers time as you gained experience? If a family member specially a close brother, came to you because they where accusing them of some crime, you would turn them away and say you can't get involved, even though your knowledge from you job could give them guidance? (Knowledge is not illegal or unethical) If your brother was getting medical care and your brother asked you to talk to the doctor, find out what they are planning on doing, because you are the family expect in that field, and he wanted you to help decide what medical options where good/bad you would say you can't because of "conflicts".

Let's take out family, if you have a good friend accused of a crime, guilty or not it, are you telling us you wouldn't learn what you could about what happened, what is going to happen, and not pass any new info onto that good friend? I call bullshit if you say no.

Would any of your answers change if you where in the top position in a hospital?

 

[ivwshane]

If the company you work for is focused on presenting an unbiased or accurate view of the news and helping your brother would violate that then you should be fired. He was fired because it was a violation of cnn’s ethics.

 

[TheVrolok]

So, as a doctor you never give your family any medical advice? What treatments are best, what doctors to go thru, or never asked a colleague a medical question in hopes to get a better insight on a family medical issue so you can give them better advice? Or are you telling me any time a family member, this includes wife, kids, brothers sisters, parents needs any medical guidance, you say no because it's unethical? Any advice you give them, did you learn it all on your own time or thru your employers time as you gained experience? If a family member specially a close brother, came to you because they where accusing them of some crime, you would turn them away and say you can't get involved, even though your knowledge from you job could give them guidance? (Knowledge is not illegal or unethical) If your brother was getting medical care and your brother asked you to talk to the doctor, find out what they are planning on doing, because you are the family expect in that field, and he wanted you to help decide what medical options where good/bad you would say you can't because of "conflicts".

Let's take out family, if you have a good friend accused of a crime, guilty or not it, are you telling us you wouldn't learn what you could about what happened, what is going to happen, and not pass any new info onto that good friend? I call bullshit if you say no.

Would any of your answers change if you where in the top position in a hospital?

It's not quite the same. You're using reasonable examples, and while Chris did things similar to these examples, at least by report he went further as well. I wouldn't argue that helping Andrew do "media prep" crossed the line, it's when Chris became an investigative journalist on behalf of his brother/helped craft the media narrative under CNNs roof that he crossed the line. He broke CNNs rules. He worked against CNN in his position at CNN. It's pretty simple.

Not to mention there is now at least one "credible" (I only use quotes because it's early in reporting, but it seems pretty obviously true) sexual misconduct allegation against Chris that is very similar to those against Andrew which colors things.

As I said earlier, the closer analogs here are if I directly injected myself into affecting a colleague's treatment of a family member or treated them myself.

 

[NWRMidnight]

It's not quite the same. You're using reasonable examples, and while Chris did things similar to these examples, at least by report he went further as well. I wouldn't argue that helping Andrew do "media prep" crossed the line, it's when Chris became an investigative journalist on behalf of his brother/helped craft the media narrative under CNNs roof that he crossed the line. He broke CNNs rules. He worked against CNN in his position at CNN. It's pretty simple.

Not to mention there is now at least one "credible" (I only use quotes because it's early in reporting, but it seems pretty obviously true) sexual misconduct allegation against Chris that is very similar to those against Andrew which colors things.

As I said earlier, the closer analogs here are if I directly injected myself into affecting a colleague's treatment of a family member or treated them myself.

Supposably he violated his contract because he did not tell them how involved he was.. That's there excuse. Now... you say it was improper for him to become a investigative journalist on behalf of his brother... Which is equivalent to a doctor (you) actively investigating and researching medical condition looking for a cure that would save a family member. Your analogy is exactly what I already said to you, just worded differently, which you said was reasonable examples. Your telling me if your brother asked you to do the surgery, you would refuse? I doubt it.

I am not saying that everything Chris was truly ok. I am just trying to get everyone to realize that we all would do what it takes to help family, and most people have most likely crossed the "expectable" line without even realizing it. The problem is that line is blurry as corporations haver become so involved and controlling of our lives, even away from work, that it's become almost impossible to separate the two. we have lost so many freedoms, that their personal lives are now looked at thru a magnifying glass contently.. All in the name of "your actions may reflect on the company..


The accusation of Chris's sexual misconduct by ABC News is a completely different subject.. but you are trying to muddy the waters in the argument of him helping his brother.. two completely different subjects. And actually, that accusation is the real reason CNN fired him.. But, now days, accusations are enough to find someone guilty.. why even have courts anymore? Why has it taken so long for ABC news to come out with this, right in the middle of the shit show with his brother? Go back and read my original comment, because as I said: all we know is what we are being spoon fed by the media.

 

[NWRMidnight]

If the company you work for is focused on presenting an unbiased or accurate view of the news and helping your brother would violate that then you should be fired. He was fired because it was a violation of cnn’s ethics.

It's unethical to be a brother?

edit: Where do we draw the line of "ethics" in a world where corporate employers already control many aspects of our personal lives? I guess that's my point, not that I support what Chris did, but the fact that they already control many aspects of our lives outside of work, to the point that it's almost impossible not to cross the "ethics" line in some form in your career, specially where family is concerned. And even more so when you are in such a high level position as Chris was.

 

[vi edit]

If your brother works for a research company and is going to be first to market with a revolutionary technology and tells you to buy X companies stock, that's insider trading.
If your brother works for a research company and tells you to look into "random technology cuz it's going to be big" it's fine.

There's nuance. There are ethical lines we all face in our jobs.

I work healthcare IT. I have to deal with privacy issues daily. Just because I do have access to nearly all patient medical records doesn't mean I can go into them without a reason.

 

[HomerJS]

Example of what happens to brains on CNN. This thread is about Cuomo; I'm sorry you're butt wrecked about it!

Actually it's about unacceptable behavior in the media and having the ethics to enforce consequences. I suspect you don't believe in that.

 

[Zorba]

Must be a bunch of only children here.

Brothers help each other, regardless.

And if you abuse your company's resources or position to do so, you will likely be fired.

Also if my brother was assaulting women, I wouldn't help him bury it, beyond telling him to get a good lawyer and keep his mouth shut.

 

[echo4747]

looks lik A Cuomo has to return the 5.1 million he rec'd for the covid pandemic book deal:

Andrew Cuomo Ordered to Give Back the $5.1 Million He Made Off a Covid-19 Book He Didn't Write

Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo was ordered to return the $5.1 million he made from the Covid-19 book he made his staffers write.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Viper1j]

And if you abuse your company's resources or position to do so, you will likely be fired.

Also if my brother was assaulting women, I wouldn't help him bury it, beyond telling him to get a good lawyer and keep his mouth shut.

I guess our family values are just different.

I've been thinking about it since this story first broke, and I really can't say there's anything I wouldn't do to protect either of my brothers.