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Clinton's new 'tax the rich plan'

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ivwshane said:
Obama didn't win because of hope & change or emotion, he won because he was black and young voters came out to vote to be apart of history.
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I totally disagree with this. He's a powerful orator who ran on the people's hope for another FDR or JFK. And totally blew that hope while letting his opposition drive the narrative.
But he's not running again, and the Republicans will overestimate their numbers yet again, never fear.
 
mysticjbyrd said:
Because the DEMOCRATS DO NOT REPRESENT YOU!
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No, it's because Republicans don't represent me and dems don't have the political appeal to the type of voters who vote for Republicans, an emotion based voter who vote with their feelings and not their brain.
 
Vic said:
I totally disagree with this. He's a powerful orator who ran on the people's hope for another FDR or JFK. And totally blew that hope while letting his opposition drive the narrative.
But he's not running again, and the Republicans will overestimate their numbers yet again, never fear.
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Reread what you just wrote and then tell me how obama was better than Republicans at appealing to emotions. Unless you are seriously implying that Republicans ran better factual campaigns against Obamas policies.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Out of curiosity what is wrong with the flat tax? Especially when compared to the current system.
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A flat tax, one that taxes goods and services, disproportionately, negatively affects people with smaller incomes. A flat tax that taxes all income at the same rate also has a greater negative impact against smaller incomes.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Out of curiosity what is wrong with the flat tax? Especially when compared to the current system.
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The poor and middle classes have substantially higher percentages of their incomes devoted to paying debts and living expenses than the wealthy. The wealthy also benefit more from government spending than the rest of the population.
 
There are different approaches to it, if you did a tiered approach and it was an income tax rather than sales tax, would this be better? I think that most conservatives would be fine with this, it would be a progressive tax, and simple (fit the damned thing on one page).
 
UglyCasanova said:
There are different approaches to it, if you did a tiered approach and it was an income tax rather than sales tax, would this be better? I think that most conservatives would be fine with this, it would be a progressive tax, and simple (fit the damned thing on one page).
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That's what we do now, so it wouldn't be a flat tax.

For me, I think they're should be more tax brackets on the top end and capital gains should be taxed like normal income. Corporate taxes are a whole other mess and I'm not sure how we can handle that without companies just parking their money somewhere else to avoid taxes.
 
ivwshane said:
No, it's because Republicans don't represent me and dems don't have the political appeal to the type of voters who vote for Republicans, an emotion based voter who vote with their feelings and not their brain.
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Here's your democrat representative.

The democrats don't give two flying fucks about you, me, or anyone else that isn't a significant donor.

Did you catch my edit?

The republicans also support common sense gun reform by a large majority! So, why is it those republicans in office don't enact gun reform? Why can't they even swing a few votes for the cause? Because they don't represent their constituency either!

You have fallen for the trap! You are so concerned about R vs D that you don't realize that they are the opposite sides of the same coin. You are entranced by the puppets dancing (the bullshit the mass media covers), and totally ignoring the puppeteer pulling the strings.
 
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ivwshane said:
Reread what you just wrote and then tell me how obama was better than Republicans at appealing to emotions. Unless you are seriously implying that Republicans ran better factual campaigns against Obamas policies.
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You mean the policies he didn't enact?!?! He pulled on people's emotions like Jimmy Hendrix playing a guitar. Hell, he still does! As soon as he got into office he started playing the big bad wolf republican song, and played the helpless victim. He has been playing that song for 8 years now, all the while moving the political spectrum further right.

After the latest midterms he stood in front of the American people, and told everyone that he had to do what the republicans said, because they won the legislative branch! He just has too! Ohh the big bad bullies... QQ Can't you see they are twisting his arm? That's why he has to pass the TPP!
 
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mysticjbyrd said:
You mean the policies he didn't enact?!?! He pulled on people's emotions like Jimmy Hendrix playing a guitar. Hell, he still does! As soon as he got into office he started playing the big bad wolf republican song, and played the helpless victim. He has been playing that song for 8 years now, all the while moving the political spectrum further right.

After the latest midterms he stood in front of the American people, and told everyone that he had to do what the republicans said, because they won the legislative branch! He just has too! Ohh the big bad bullies... QQ Can't you see they are twisting his arm? That's why he has to pass the TPP!
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You can rewrite history all you want but I was present for all of it and I'm well aware of what was happening both in front of the camera and behind the scenes. I'm also well aware of how government works so I had no false sense of hope or unrealistic expectations.

I'm sorry you don't get it and you need to substitute reality for conspiracy.
 
mysticjbyrd said:
Here's your democrat representative.

The democrats don't give two flying fucks about you, me, or anyone else that isn't a significant donor.

Did you catch my edit?

The republicans also support common sense gun reform by a large majority! So, why is it those republicans in office don't enact gun reform? Why can't they even swing a few votes for the cause? Because they don't represent their constituency either!

You have fallen for the trap! You are so concerned about R vs D that you don't realize that they are the opposite sides of the same coin. You are entranced by the puppets dancing (the bullshit the mass media covers), and totally ignoring the puppeteer pulling the strings.
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Lol. They represent their constituency just fine. Everyday here on P&N the people they represent post here using the same logic and tired talking points.

I also recognize your bullshit talking points, we have plenty of tools on this forum just like you (do you know bobberfet?) and they spout the same "both sides are the same" bullshit, an obvious lie to anyone remotely paying attention.
 
elitejp said:
I think its the best system we could go with. Easy, simple and fair for everyone.
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That's the problem with your type; you don't do any thinking and you think complex problems have easy answers. Ironically, what you think is fair is anything but.
 
Vic said:
I totally disagree with this. He's a powerful orator who ran on the people's hope for another FDR or JFK. And totally blew that hope while letting his opposition drive the narrative.
But he's not running again, and the Republicans will overestimate their numbers yet again, never fear.
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That's equally true for democrats. I haven't found one person that genuinely likes Hillary Clinton. If she wins the primary, a huge number of democrats aren't going to turn up at the polls. Some will vote Green Party, and others will vote Republican out of spite, and disgust.

52% disapproval
43% approval

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
 
Vic said:
The poor and middle classes have substantially higher percentages of their incomes devoted to paying debts and living expenses than the wealthy. The wealthy also benefit more from government spending than the rest of the population.
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Actually it would be exactly the same. A flat tax means everyone gets taxed the same percentage. And I would argue that its the unwealthy that benefit more from govt spending because even though percentage wise they give the same as the rich monetarily wise they are giving far less yet enjoying the same roads, parks, educational systems etc as the rich.
I submit that people need to stop crying and blaming everyone else for their bad life decisions that led to poverty and then wanting the rich to bail them out by taxing them more. No good business in the world would take away more from their good employees to give to the bad employees. It doesn't make sense and hard work and success are being punished rather than rewarded. In fact I think it shouldn't be the govts job at all to help the poor by giving out financial aid. It would be easier and less taxing for communities to set up relief centers that were privately funded.
 
elitejp said:
Actually it would be exactly the same. A flat tax means everyone gets taxed the same percentage. And I would argue that its the unwealthy that benefit more from govt spending because even though percentage wise they give the same as the rich monetarily wise they are giving far less yet enjoying the same roads, parks, educational systems etc as the rich.
I submit that people need to stop crying and blaming everyone else for their bad life decisions that led to poverty and then wanting the rich to bail them out by taxing them more. No good business in the world would take away more from their good employees to give to the bad employees. It doesn't make sense and hard work and success are being punished rather than rewarded. In fact I think it shouldn't be the govts job at all to help the poor by giving out financial aid. It would be easier and less taxing for communities to set up relief centers that were privately funded.
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You are an incredibly stupid, stupid, person.
 
ivwshane said:
That's the problem with your type; you don't do any thinking and you think complex problems have easy answers. Ironically, what you think is fair is anything but.
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Sorry but you don't know me, but if you want to take a guess about me I will also guess about you. I will dare to say that you also try to get out of all taxes that you can. If your really fighting for the poor and want to help them then no need to fill out any tax exempt status forms. Your blaming the rich for not giving their "fare" share. But you do the same thing.
Flat tax says no tax breaks for anyone. You get a second job and work extra hard making an extra 10k a year and you get to keep the same percentage as when you were earning less.
The tax system is so screwy now that even cpa's have a hard time figuring out what's the protocol. Flat tax would also make it a lot easier for you as a tax payer when the irs comes and audits you. I see very little downside for me determining what I earn.
 
elitejp said:
Sorry but you don't know me, but if you want to take a guess about me I will also guess about you. I will dare to say that you also try to get out of all taxes that you can. If your really fighting for the poor and want to help them then no need to fill out any tax exempt status forms. Your blaming the rich for not giving their "fare" share. But you do the same thing.
Flat tax says no tax breaks for anyone. You get a second job and work extra hard making an extra 10k a year and you get to keep the same percentage as when you were earning less.
The tax system is so screwy now that even cpa's have a hard time figuring out what's the protocol. Flat tax would also make it a lot easier for you as a tax payer when the irs comes and audits you. I see very little downside for me determining what I earn.
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You see little down side because you are an idiot as evident by this post and your previous post.
 
elitejp said:
You my friend are a master debater.
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What is there to debate, you don't even understand how a flat tax works! You think poor people don't work hard enough. You think wealthy people earned their money.

I'd say you are a whole new level of retard but sadly, you are a dime a dozen.
 
My very first post described a flat tax rate to a t. Everyone pays the same percentage off of earned income.
And yes I do believe that it takes hard work for anyone to make money. The vast majority of poor people are poor because they didn't work hard. They goofed off in school, they played when they should have been studying or they just have no financial sense. It is not my responsibility for anyone to live at my standard of living if they don't do what I did to get there. And I'm not upset if someone wins the lottery or inherits money. I will still work hard and earn my money despite what others have or don't have.
I hate to say this but poor people aren't poor because I have or don't have money. But like I argued earlier i would bet that you took your tax breaks and exemptions just like everyone else, but you not paying your taxes is effecting the underprivileged poor that you are defending. The only difference is that your willing for other people to be taxed so that money can go to helping the poor but you aren't willing to pay it yourself. That's very hypocritical.
 
elitejp said:
My very first post described a flat tax rate to a t. Everyone pays the same percentage off of earned income.
And yes I do believe that it takes hard work for anyone to make money. The vast majority of poor people are poor because they didn't work hard. They goofed off in school, they played when they should have been studying or they just have no financial sense. It is not my responsibility for anyone to live at my standard of living if they don't do what I did to get there. And I'm not upset if someone wins the lottery or inherits money. I will still work hard and earn my money despite what others have or don't have.
I hate to say this but poor people aren't poor because I have or don't have money. But like I argued earlier i would bet that you took your tax breaks and exemptions just like everyone else, but you not paying your taxes is effecting the underprivileged poor that you are defending. The only difference is that your willing for other people to be taxed so that money can go to helping the poor but you aren't willing to pay it yourself. That's very hypocritical.
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Lol! Well it's a good thing you know me so well otherwise you'd have nothing, enjoy your boogeyman!

Fucking morons!
 
glenn1 said:
Feel free to make that change, people will just shift their assets towards life insurance policies instead since the proceeds to beneficiaries are exempt from taxation. Or place them into trusts and other estate friendly vehicles.
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😵 Trusts don't exempt an estate from the estate tax.

I'm personally going through an estate tax return at the moment. It pisses me off to no end that we have to liquidate assets and investments to pay the government for income/investments they already taxed.
 
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