Exactly.
Obama has no chance in states where Clinton won a bare majority.
She's in it to win it!
Exactly.
Obama has no chance in states where Clinton won a bare majority.
She's in it to win it!
Man, she's really not. You could tell when she decided to stop trying to win, and that was after Indiana. Her attacks on Obama pretty much went from constant and concentrated to nothing. When a politician who is behind stops attacking their opponent it means that they are no longer trying to win outright.
Trust me, if she still thought she had a chance to win she would have continued attacking Obama with everything she had.
Okay, Obama loses about 20 delegates to Clinton. WOW. Game-changing primary.
I don't see how California, New York and Pennsylvania will turn Republican if Obama is the nominee.
I don't see how California, New York and Pennsylvania will turn Republican if Obama is the nominee.
That's how the electoral college works. Clinton won California, New York, and Pennsylvania so she would have gotten all the delegates.
LOL You really want to go into this discussion?
Why does it still matter? Man, I like Hillary. If she were the Democratic nominee I would have voted for her in a second and felt good about it. The thing is, she's not going to be. This isn't an anti-Hillary thing at all, it's just a reality thing. I literally cannot foresee a set of circumstances that will occur that could possibly change the dynamics of this race outside of a picture that has Obama barbecuing a baby or something like that.
There's no shame in it, Hillary ran a good campaign. Obama just ran a better one. I think this is the first time I've ever been confronted with a choice about which candidate I liked best as opposed to which one I hated the least. We should be thankful for that, not angry about it. It's time for the Democrats to come together and kick McCain's mummy-ass.
There's no shame in it, Hillary ran a good campaign. Obama just ran a better one. I think this is the first time I've ever been confronted with a choice about which candidate I liked best as opposed to which one I hated the least. We should be thankful for that, not angry about it. It's time for the Democrats to come together and kick McCain's mummy-ass.
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More like he was the perfectly positioned recipient of a perfect storm of newness and certainly didn't blow it.
I voted for Hillary, but I will be perfectly happy to give Obama my complete and enthusiastic ACTIVE support. Lol, their platforms are two peas in a pod. And the last thing I want is a conservative Republican nominating the next couple of Supreme Court justices, or someone like McCain who thinks we should continue our jihad in Iraq as our next President.
Eyes on the prize!
Here are the reasons I supported Hillary over Obama:
As a Clinton, as the she devil who saw the clusterfuck and tried to get us a saner health care policy years ago, she's been Rove'd to death. There isn't anything more they can do to villify her than they've already done.
She had had more experience, both first and second hand, in the rough and tumble of Washington politics. You all know Washington. That's where the laws which affect us all are made. Ever seen one of those many deer-in-the-headlights Obama moments? I think Hillary has bigger balls. Whoever becomes Presdent is going to need HUGE political balls the next 4-8 years.
Sure, Hillary's voice is annoying, and her public manner often somewhat stilted. But we don't pick a working President to be our buddy. Many morons did the last two electtions. It didn't work out that well.
Many now participating in Obamarama are recent, fervid converts. The weight and fervor of their expectations are IMMENSE. No one person can possibly deal with all this. The same fiscal and political realities that will constrain anyone who becomes President will constrain Obama as well. How will all these recent converts react, when it turns out he doesn't have magical powers? Remember, you'd be hard pressed collectively to overestimate the American electorate in so many ways.
In light of the above, I fear the latent racist bumpkin xenophobe hate and fear geyser that some elements opposing Obama will pander to furiously.
However, I will be pleased as punch to support Barack Hussein Obama for the Presidency, and I will actively work for the largest LIBERAL Democratic House and Senate majorities possible, and I will hold them all, as best I can, to the very best of their promises.
BeauJangles
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So we should nominate Hillary based on the fact she's winning hypothetical polls, instead of nominating the man who has a 200+ delegate lead?
gorobei
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she may have won PR, but with a 400k (out of the 2Million voters) turnout it isn't the popular vote game changer she/they were hoping for.
If the S.Dakota and Montana split evenly between the two of them and you split the John Edwards delegates, Obama will be roughly 20 superdelegates short of the nomination. Are you saying there aren't 20 delegates willing to jump on the bandwagon for the right to claim they put him over the top?
If the S.Dakota and Montana split evenly between the two of them and you split the John Edwards delegates, Obama will be roughly 20 superdelegates short of the nomination. Are you saying there aren't 20 delegates willing to jump on the bandwagon for the right to claim they put him over the top?
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There is great humor to be found in the Florida HB 537 that changed the primary date to January 29th putting the primary in conflict with DNC rules... Florida is run by the Right. The legislature is overwhelmingly Right and the Gov is Right as well... Nothing gets done there but for the will of the Right...
Now then,.... the humor... least as I see it...
The 2000 Florida election's certified margin for Bush was 537.... The bill number that created the fiasco in Florida... 537... I find that typical of the kind of 'In your face' politics practiced in Florida and well... everywhere..
Now then,.... the humor... least as I see it...
The 2000 Florida election's certified margin for Bush was 537.... The bill number that created the fiasco in Florida... 537... I find that typical of the kind of 'In your face' politics practiced in Florida and well... everywhere..
Very gracious of you. Thanks
It's very hard to model because so many of the prairie-west states were caucuses. However, know this:
West Virginia - 96% White
Kentucky - 91% White
Clinton won West Virginia by 40 percent and won Kentucky by 35 percent.
Montana - 93% White
South Dakota - 89% White
How do you think these two states will turn out?
I'm thinking that the difference should be low double digits in each.
Mostly GOP. Except for these heroic Democratic co-sponsors:
Mary Brandenburg, Susan Bucher, Martin Kiar, Yolly Roberson, Franklin Sands, James Waldman
No, more like he ran a better campaign. He had a plan for the long haul and competed in places that alot of past candidates ignored. He knew he was going up against the Clinton machine, he prepared for it and ran a better campaign.
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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
What's hypothetical?
California, New York, and Pennsylvania all had primaries
What do primaries have to do with the general election besides, you know, deciding the candidate based on his / her popularity within the party?
Implying that Obama will lose those states in the general election because Hillary won them in the primary makes no sense. We are half a year away from the general election.
My comment about hypothetical polls comes from Hillary's supporters who point to her beating McCain in key states as a reason she should be given the nomination, which is sort of the argument you're making.
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Well... actually the bill was a laundry list of items but among them was voting machine changes and other nifty items..
The final vote had no nays as I recall.. but if there were any it would have been one or two... in both houses. But, I understand the position of the amendment sponsor. They wanted Florida to be equal with the other early voting/caucus states. They felt that to give NH and Iowa first billing was one thing but to then move two more up ticked them off... The Right also wanted that effect for Florida.. Nothing happens there without support from the Right... not one thing.
The issue is simple from a reality POV... The Left MUST win Michigan and the Right MUST win Florida in November. We know this and they know this everyone knows this so why on earth would the DNC allow this to occur... It is not about the primary but ticking off the Floridians for the November election... an aside was the property tax issue on that ballot that the Right wanted to defeat. 3 million voters... 1.7 democrats voted... in a state full of Right sitting politicians... go figure..
Interesting that you mention turnout.
Here's all the early primaries (up to Feb 5). I've bolded all the ones where more Republicans turned out for the primaries than the Democrats. They're MI, FL, AL, AZ, and UT.
In every swing state besides MI and FL (underlined), Democratic turnout demolished Republican turnout.
Jan 8 - New Hampshire
Democrats: 287,542
Republicans: 238,979
Jan 15 - Michigan
Democrats: 594,398
Republicans: 869,169
Jan 26 - South Carolina
Democrats: 532,227
Republicans: 431,196
Jan 29 - Florida
Democrats: 1,749,920
Republicans: 1,949,498
Feb 5
AL
D: 536,626
R: 552,155
AZ
D: 455,635
R: 541,035
AR
D: 314,234
R: 229,153
CA
D: 5,066,993
R: 2,932,811
CT
D: 354,495
R: 151,604
DE
D: 96,374
R: 50,237
GA
D: 1,060,851
R: 963,541
IL
D: 2,016,316
R: 899,422
MA
D: 1,258,923
R: 500,550
MO
D: 827,107
R: 588,720
NJ
D: 1,141,199
R: 566,201
NY
D: 1,862,445
R: 670,078
OK
D: 417,207
R: 335,054
TN
D: 624,764
R: 553,005
UT
D: 131,403
R: 296,061
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