Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[ivwshane]

Sure. It is within everybody's right. But then how do we know it was only personal ones she deleted? Had she been on the state dept. email system we would have backups and they could be discoverable and searched for key terms. We can't do that noe, can we?

She is also still answerable to compromising security.

Deleting personal email on a government server is no different than deleting it on a private server, it's not subject to FOIA request. So, unless you have some compelling evidence of government business being deleted, you get nothing either way. Do you have some evidence?

Sure she's still answerable to compromising security, that's true regardless of what email system she uses.

I'll ask again because you seem to have missed the question I asked in the post that you quoted:
At what point you will deem this "scandal" as being over?

 

[LegendKiller]

Deleting personal email on a government server is no different than deleting it on a private server, it's not subject to FOIA request. So, unless you have some compelling evidence of government business being deleted, you get nothing either way. Do you have some evidence?

Sure she's still answerable to compromising security, that's true regardless of what email system she uses.

I'll ask again because you seem to have missed the question I asked in the post that you quoted:
At what point you will deem this "scandal" as being over?

FOIA request is subject to search of current emails *and* backups.

How can we have compelling evidence that it was deleted if it was...deleted? Convenient, isn't it?

It's not over until the fat lady sings.

 

[ivwshane]

FOIA request is subject to search of current emails *and* backups.

Yes, if it involved government business. All this has been covered in the links I have provided.

How can we have compelling evidence that it was deleted if it was...deleted? Convenient, isn't it?

Do you know how our legal system works? You aren't guilty until proven innocent, you don't get to have your things searched and seized without having probable cause and it's certainly not up to the accused to prove their innocence.

It's not over until the fat lady sings.

That's not an answer. Seems like a pretty straight forward question, is there a reason you chose not to give a straight answer?

 

[Jhhnn]

That's not an answer. Seems like a pretty straight forward question, is there a reason you chose not to give a straight answer?

There's a large delta between the way he wants it to be and the way it is that he refuses to accept. It's the Hillary hate. Makes 'em crazy.

They've hated Hillary blindly & passionately for decades so any chump bait conspiracy her opponents toss out is greeted as manna from Heaven.

 

[OutHouse]

it's not subject to FOIA request.


At what point you will deem this "scandal" as being over?

Gee I wonder why she wouldn't want to comply with FOIA?

 

[OutHouse]

There's a large delta between the way he wants it to be and the way it is that he refuses to accept. It's the Hillary hate. Makes 'em crazy.

They've hated Hillary blindly & passionately for decades so any chump bait conspiracy her opponents toss out is greeted as manna from Heaven.

Maybe because she is a bigger liar than bush. She is incapable of telling the truth.

 

[ivwshane]

Gee I wonder why she wouldn't want to comply with FOIA?

It's not up to her as I'm sure you realize that she is no longer employed by the federal government.

 

[ivwshane]

Maybe because she is a bigger liar than bush. She is incapable of telling the truth.

And you'll back up this claim by supported evidence, when?

 

[IGBT]

did hillary announce she's running for president yet again?? I wana go to the rally. I hear there are plenty of seats to choose from!!

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe because she is a bigger liar than bush. She is incapable of telling the truth.

She'll have to lead us to invade another country on false pretenses to even come close.

I mean, really. Is your hatred unbounded by reality?

 

[JockoJohnson]

And you'll back up this claim by supported evidence, when?

Perception is reality. Doesn't matter if she really does lie more than Bush. People think she is a liar.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-liar-frequently-word-hillary-clinton/story?id=33361629

 

[Ichinisan]

She'll have to lead us to invade another country on false pretenses to even come close.

I mean, really. Is your hatred unbounded by reality?

She voted for the war, right?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

She'll have to lead us to invade another country on false pretenses to even come close.

I mean, really. Is your hatred unbounded by reality?

Hillary Clinton played a major role in our rush to war with Libya under false pretenses. What color is the sky in your world?

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...s/2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politics/hillary-clinton-libya-election-2016/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...intervention/2011/10/28/gIQAhGS7WM_story.html

 

[PokerGuy]

Idiot lefties are doing some sort of victory dance as if the position by the doj means anything. It doesn't. How do we as a public have any way to know what was deleted? We have no idea, she could have deleted any and everything with no oversight and no retention. That's obviously wrong. We also know there was classified info going through the server. Another wrong. We don't know if it was criminal wrongdoing or not, but the doj position is completely irrelevant.

I also like the simple question doubetrouble asked earlier, that nobody seems to be able to answer. Was she lying when she said there was nothing to apologize for or was she lying when she apologized for what was done wrong? Either way, she was lying, as is habitual for her. hildabeast = compulsive liar.

 

[ivwshane]

That's absolutely true! Sadly, people are easily influenced and rarely question what they read/hear.
Propaganda is alive and well!
http://www.mediaite.com/online/excl...ry-clinton-liar-poll-tells-a-different-story/

Perception is reality. Doesn't matter if she really does lie more than Bush. People think she is a liar.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-liar-frequently-word-hillary-clinton/story?id=33361629

 

[werepossum]

You are a pathetic hack.

lol Right. Truly thinking people believe whatever Hillary tells them to believe.

 

[PokerGuy]

People think she is a liar.

And they are correct. This is not a case of perception being reality, this is a case of perception matching reality.

 

[ivwshane]

She voted for the war, right?

Yep, as did many politicians that believed the rhetoric the bush admin was using. It's why a lot of Americans were duped as well, propaganda works.

Her ability to be duped on foreign policy and easily manipulated along with her seemingly hawkish attitude is why a lot on the left don't fully support her. It's why sanders is doing so well. At the end of the day though, if clinton gets the nomination, who's the lesser of two evils, her or any candidate on the right who is unapologetic about their hawkish positions?

 

[ivwshane]

Is the decision to assist countries in that region to remove gaddafi the same as lying to America and politicians in order to push for an unnecessary war on par with each other in your world?

Hillary Clinton played a major role in our rush to war with Libya under false pretenses. What color is the sky in your world?

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...s/2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politics/hillary-clinton-libya-election-2016/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...intervention/2011/10/28/gIQAhGS7WM_story.html

 

[ivwshane]

Idiot lefties are doing some sort of victory dance as if the position by the doj means anything. It doesn't. How do we as a public have any way to know what was deleted? We have no idea, she could have deleted any and everything with no oversight and no retention. That's obviously wrong. We also know there was classified info going through the server. Another wrong. We don't know if it was criminal wrongdoing or not, but the doj position is completely irrelevant.

You asserting that her actions were wrong doesn't change the fact that they weren't against the law or the rules. The fact that we don't know what she deleted also doesn't change the fact that the decision to determine what was allowed to be deleted wasn't against the rules or the law nor does it change the fact that that decision was always up to the individual. What's irrelevant is what you feel is wrong. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that your feelings are relevant but the DoJ's rules and weight on the subject aren't.

I also like the simple question doubetrouble asked earlier, that nobody seems to be able to answer. Was she lying when she said there was nothing to apologize for or was she lying when she apologized for what was done wrong? Either way, she was lying, as is habitual for her. hildabeast = compulsive liar.

I answered the question, twice. Of course I didn't answer in absolute certainty but that's because I know my gut feelings aren't 100% always right, are yours? The only thing habitual is her opponents and critics ability to claim she's a liar without actually providing any evidence.

Like I said, Clinton is either the criminal mastermind of the century or repubs are the dumbest bunch of people to ever hold a seat in congress. There is a third option of course and that this is an investigation for the sole purpose to damage a political opponent.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hillary Clinton played a major role in our rush to war with Libya under false pretenses. What color is the sky in your world?

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...s/2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politics/hillary-clinton-libya-election-2016/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...intervention/2011/10/28/gIQAhGS7WM_story.html

We didn't invade Libya. No ground troops were deployed. We provided aid & air support to the winning side in a civil war against Qaddafi.

Surely you can tell the difference.

 

[Jhhnn]

And they are correct. This is not a case of perception being reality, this is a case of perception matching reality.

For righties, it's just an exercise in circular logic. Begin from irrational Hillary hate ingrained over a couple of decades & use any pissy excuse to reinforce it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Idiot lefties are doing some sort of victory dance as if the position by the doj means anything. It doesn't. How do we as a public have any way to know what was deleted? We have no idea, she could have deleted any and everything with no oversight and no retention. That's obviously wrong. We also know there was classified info going through the server. Another wrong. We don't know if it was criminal wrongdoing or not, but the doj position is completely irrelevant.

I also like the simple question doubetrouble asked earlier, that nobody seems to be able to answer. Was she lying when she said there was nothing to apologize for or was she lying when she apologized for what was done wrong? Either way, she was lying, as is habitual for her. hildabeast = compulsive liar.

Maybe she just apologized for starting this irrelevant ruckus.

We, the public, have no way of knowing what was deleted by her predecessors or successors, either, and we have no access at all to their email sent or received on private servers like those of the RNC.

That's not wrong. That's just the way it works, the way it's always worked.

If the President & Congress trusted them to run the State Dept then it's reasonable to trust them to edit their own email- any & all of them.

Except Hillary. That's different. She can't be trusted because she's Hillary, not because she did anything like lying to the UN about Iraqi WMD's.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

We didn't invade Libya. No ground troops were deployed. We provided aid & air support to the winning side in a civil war against Qaddafi.

Surely you can tell the difference.

We didn't invade Libya? Really? So...our planes bombing the shit out of the country doesn't constitute an invasion (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/invade) in your world because there were no ground troops? Really? We attacked and helped defeat a sovereign nation...and Hillary had a hell of a lot to do with it by lying about imminent genocide to "legitimize" the rush to war.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-libya-war-genocide-narrative-rejec/?page=all

Hillary is a pos imo and her actions have caused untold human suffering in the region that still exists to this day.

 

[werepossum]

We didn't invade Libya? Really? So...our planes bombing the shit out of the country doesn't constitute an invasion (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/invade) in your world because there were no ground troops? Really? We attacked and helped defeat a sovereign nation...and Hillary had a hell of a lot to do with it by lying about imminent genocide to "legitimize" the rush to war.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-libya-war-genocide-narrative-rejec/?page=all

Hillary is a pos imo and her actions have caused untold human suffering in the region that still exists to this day.

They are pretty much all pieces of shit, she just happens to be a particularly loathsome chunk.