Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Bowfinger]

Kerry Picks Clinton Donor to be State Dept. "Email Czar"

LOL!

Judicial Watch is a Republican advocacy group, dedicated to attacking the Obama administration. They are responsible for many of the FOIA requests and lawsuits at issue here. In short, they are by definition a wholly biased partisan. For those who prefer something more factual and complete, here's a link with the other 95% of the "Email Czar" story: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/hillary-clinton-email-czar-john-kerry/

Note in particular her past experiences cleaning up backlogged processes. It seems relevant to her new assignment.

 

[Jhhnn]

Its pathetic how little you care about classified a3nd the security of our nation.

Hillbilly had many top secret documents on her email server. Are you saying it's no big deal?

I'm saying So What?

She can't control what arrives at her inbox, either the govt one or her personal one.

The real issue isn't which one, but rather that insecure networks were used to transmit it.

Either way, there's no evidence that the information actually escaped into the wrong hands or the public domain.

The notion that any SoS doesn't have the authority to determine the classification of information in their inbox is an affront to the office.

Any tool can come along behind saying Oh! Oh! Oh! That should have been classified! & will obviously be believed by the faithful, of course, because Hillary.

It wasn't, per the SoS at the time, the highest authority other than the President.

Get over yourselves.

 

[nickqt]

This scandal is going to be just as bad as Benghazi and IRS was for Obama!

Keep on keepin' on about nothing. Getting glimpses into the bubble is entertaining.

 

[LegendKiller]

I'm saying So What?

She can't control what arrives at her inbox, either the govt one or her personal one.

The real issue isn't which one, but rather that insecure networks were used to transmit it.

Either way, there's no evidence that the information actually escaped into the wrong hands or the public domain.

The notion that any SoS doesn't have the authority to determine the classification of information in their inbox is an affront to the office.

Any tool can come along behind saying Oh! Oh! Oh! That should have been classified! & will obviously be believed by the faithful, of course, because Hillary.

It wasn't, per the SoS at the time, the highest authority other than the President.

Get over yourselves.

It is not an "affront to the office", it is pure siloing of responsibilities.

But go ahead, please tell us why having a fox watch the henhouse is reasonable.

Please tell us where separation of responsibilities shouldn't lie with the people who create classified data, where sources and methods need to be protected, items which Billery wouldn't have a single fucking clue about, where she can be the ultimate arbiter of how, when, and where information should be declassified.

If her name weren't Clinton and she wasn't a current candidate, her ass would already be charged, just like anybody else's who compromised Top Secret info.

 

[ivwshane]

It is not an "affront to the office", it is pure siloing of responsibilities.

But go ahead, please tell us why having a fox watch the henhouse is reasonable.

Please tell us where separation of responsibilities shouldn't lie with the people who create classified data, where sources and methods need to be protected, items which Billery wouldn't have a single fucking clue about, where she can be the ultimate arbiter of how, when, and where information should be declassified.

If her name weren't Clinton and she wasn't a current candidate, her ass would already be charged, just like anybody else's who compromised Top Secret info.

I'd like to see those examples of people who were charged for compromised top secret info and how what they did compares to what Clinton has allegedly done.

The only people that seem to think this is an issue are those who have no idea how classified info is handled and how things can be classified and how policies regarding classified info are usually broken.

I'd also, still, like know what this "email scandal" has to do with benghazi.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is not an "affront to the office", it is pure siloing of responsibilities.

But go ahead, please tell us why having a fox watch the henhouse is reasonable.

Please tell us where separation of responsibilities shouldn't lie with the people who create classified data, where sources and methods need to be protected, items which Billery wouldn't have a single fucking clue about, where she can be the ultimate arbiter of how, when, and where information should be declassified.

If her name weren't Clinton and she wasn't a current candidate, her ass would already be charged, just like anybody else's who compromised Top Secret info.

Heh. It's not about what's being classified or declassified now but about how it was handled at the time. As I've offered before, it's absurd to think that the security pinheads should paw through the email of any SoS prior to release in response to a FOIA request.

I know! The SoS inbox should be cleared by every super sekrit swinging dick before the Secretary even reads it, just to be sure. Of something, anything, you know, just to keep the ravers off their backs years later.

Or maybe it's just because it's Hillary rather than God only knows how many other high officials who have received classifiable information thru normal email channels.

Maybe that's really what it's all about, huh? Hatin' on Hillary every chance they get because their minds have been poisoned a lot like poor Virge.

And, uhh, how the fuck is anybody responsible for the content of their inbox, anyway?

 

[Bowfinger]

[ ... ]

Please tell us where separation of responsibilities shouldn't lie with the people who create classified data, where sources and methods need to be protected, items which Billery wouldn't have a single fucking clue about, where she can be the ultimate arbiter of how, when, and where information should be declassified.

The point you attackers so devoutly ignore is that some of this classified data, including the two pieces called Top Secret by the intel agencies, were previously published in news stories. The emails in question were discussing those news stories. Much of the rest were notes about minor issues involving foreign governments, called classified due to a blanket presumption that anything involving other countries is sensitive. If Angela Merkel sent Clinton a note about the weekend weather forecast, it would be deemed classified. No honest person would suggest it jeopardizes national security, however.

I know that's not what Fox is telling you, but I posted a link to the first 61 (IIRC) "classified" emails. I encouraged you all to look for yourselves, to educate yourselves directly rather than letting the RNC tell you what to think. So far as I know, not a one of you had the balls and the intellectual wherewithal to challenge your faith that way. Instead, you just keep parroting the talking points like good little drones. Pathetic.

If her name weren't Clinton and she wasn't a current candidate, her ass would already be charged, just like anybody else's who compromised Top Secret info.

Yet somehow none of the peons involved -- you know, the people who actually sent these "classified" emails -- have been charged with anything. Why is that, do you suppose? A rational person might conclude you're blowing smoke, without an actual clue what you're bloviating about. You, I suspect, will conclude it's a massive conspiracy with the FBI to protect everyone associated with Clinton.

By the way, I posted another link to a column discussing the issue of potentially classified information slipping into insecure channels, and how this has typically been handled. I suspect you didn't bother to read it either.

 

[Knowing]

She can't control what arrives at her inbox, either the govt one or her personal one.

I thought she set policy for the state department, and "don't send classified over unclassified channels" is basically universal.

Either way, there's no evidence that the information actually escaped into the wrong hands or the public domain.

There are documents that imply this, but I cannot post them because I have obligations.

The notion that any SoS doesn't have the authority to determine the classification of information in their inbox is an affront to the office.

We've been over this. She only has the authority to determine classification for media that originates in the state department. She has no authority to reclassify information derived from other sources unless it is compliant with derivative classification rules.

It wasn't, per the SoS at the time, the highest authority other than the President.

Actually the highest authority next to the president is the DNI or for HUMINT sources the D/CIA.

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[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif](A) Classification and declassification of all intelligence and intelligence-related information classified under the authority of the Director or the authority of the head of a department or Intelligence Community element; and[/FONT]
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[cabri]

This scandal is going to be just as bad as Benghazi and IRS was for Obama!

Keep on keepin' on about nothing. Getting glimpses into the bubble is entertaining.

to you it may be about nothing.

To others, it is about disdain for following the rules.
And apparently many Democrats are starting to feel the same way.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought she set policy for the state department, and "don't send classified over unclassified channels" is basically universal.

So what? Clinton hasn't been shown to have done that.

There are documents that imply this, but I cannot post them because I have obligations.

Mere assertion of super sekrit knowledge. Anybody can do the same. It's bullshit.

We've been over this. She only has the authority to determine classification for media that originates in the state department. She has no authority to reclassify information derived from other sources unless it is compliant with derivative classification rules.

I didn't say the SoS could reclassify inbox information but rather could determine how to deal with it as communication. It's not like she can chide Tony Blair for using an insecure channel or that it would be constructive. It's not like anybody other than security twits would view conversation about any news article as classified information, either.

Actually the highest authority next to the president is the DNI or for HUMINT sources the D/CIA.

And? Should cabinet members clear their inbox through that office? Really?

 

[Virge_]

Either way, there's no evidence that the information actually escaped into the wrong hands or the public domain.

I generally try to refrain from personal attacks, but holy shit you are a fucking moron, literally everything you say is so frustratingly naive and regurgitated nonsense that the only explanation for your actions is if you are being paid to defend Hillary.

Hillary's emails WERE for sale on the open market but the Obama administration didn't go after them, says US intelligence official

 

[Jhhnn]

to you it may be about nothing.

To others, it is about disdain for following the rules.
And apparently many Democrats are starting to feel the same way.

Funny that. I don't remember such mock piety about the rules when the prison at Gitmo was created or when Iraq was invaded on false pretenses. I don't remember the usual suspects going on about Bush Admin use of RNC servers or doing anything but defending the perpetrators of the Plame outing.

Now that the subject is Hillary everything is different, of course, even though the alleged breach of the rules is merely technical, can't be shown to have actually reduced national security or gotten 5000 Americans killed.

Oh, God! People sent her information subject to derivative classification rules over an insecure channel! The Horror!

When Righties find a way to get over themselves meaningful conversation may be possible. Until then it won't be.

 

[Virge_]

Yet somehow none of the peons involved -- you know, the people who actually sent these "classified" emails -- have been charged with anything. Why is that, do you suppose? A rational person might conclude you're blowing smoke, without an actual clue what you're bloviating about. You, I suspect, will conclude it's a massive conspiracy with the FBI to protect everyone associated with Clinton.

This is lunacy. These people are not stupid. They do not wish to end up dead like so many others have.

It's maddening you cannot seem to grasp such a simple concept as self-preservation when faced with tyranny.

 

[fskimospy]

This is lunacy. These people are not stupid. They do not wish to end up dead like so many others have.

It's maddening you cannot seem to grasp such a simple concept as self-preservation when faced with tyranny.

Lol.

Part of me is looking forward to a Clinton presidency just for the sheer insanity of the conspiracy theories.

The Obama conspiracy theories (SEEKRIT MUSLIM) are wearing a bit thin now so I'm down for a classic revival.

Can you tell us what you think about Vince Foster? I could use a good laugh.

 

[Jhhnn]

I generally try to refrain from personal attacks, but holy shit you are a fucking moron, literally everything you say is so frustratingly naive and regurgitated nonsense that the only explanation for your actions is if you are being paid to defend Hillary.

Hillary's emails WERE for sale on the open market but the Obama administration didn't go after them, says US intelligence official

Yes, Virge, you've made it crystal clear that you're a conspiracy theory chump.

Anonymously sourced bullshit from the Daily Mail? Might as well reference the National Enquirer.

 

[alien42]

I generally try to refrain from personal attacks, but holy shit you are a fucking moron, literally everything you say is so frustratingly naive and regurgitated nonsense that the only explanation for your actions is if you are being paid to defend Hillary.

Hillary's emails WERE for sale on the open market but the Obama administration didn't go after them, says US intelligence official

"I'm not even saying for sure that what has been on the market is genuine,' the official cautioned."

directly from the link you just posted, so much for the facts eh?

 

[Virge_]

Yes, Virge, you've made it crystal clear that you're a conspiracy theory chump.

Anonymously sourced bullshit from the Daily Mail? Might as well reference the National Enquirer.

"Conspiracy theory chump". That's rich. Thats what a lot of people used to say when I warned them about their e-mail use - and now ALL of them come to me for advice on encryption due to the NSA data mining being public. Funny how ignorance works, you'll see the light eventually (hopefully..).

The difference between us is I'm not blindly branded and following instructions like some kind of retarded slave monkey. Sometimes my outrage may be misplaced, but in the end that tends to come out one way or the other and I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong when I actually am - but since it doesn't happen often I'm not in the habit of taking advice from close-minded brainwashed retards.

 

[Bowfinger]

The first panel is most accurate, but she's not bombastic enough to take the Trump approach. It's impolite. She's trying to humor the GOP rubes instead of mocking them for their gullibility.

 

[Bowfinger]

This is lunacy. These people are not stupid. They do not wish to end up dead like so many others have.

It's maddening you cannot seem to grasp such a simple concept as self-preservation when faced with tyranny.

Oh no, no, I get it. I'm with you, man. Those FBI agents don't want to wind up in Area 51 with the aliens and all the other Clinton corpses.

Oh, damn! I mentioned Area 51. It's classified. I've compromised the security of our nation. Now the GOP will be after me. Aiiiiieeeeeeeeee!


This is lunacy alright, and you're the loon. Take your meds.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The first panel is most accurate, but she's not bombastic enough to take the Trump approach. It's impolite. She's trying to humor the GOP rubes instead of mocking them for their gullibility.

Well...I thought it was kind of funny. Do you by chance have a sense of humor? If so, I've never seen it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Well...I thought it was kind of funny. Do you by chance have a sense of humor? If so, I've never seen it.

Absolutely. I think Virge is hilarious.

 

[Jhhnn]

"Conspiracy theory chump". That's rich. Thats what a lot of people used to say when I warned them about their e-mail use - and now ALL of them come to me for advice on encryption due to the NSA data mining being public. Funny how ignorance works, you'll see the light eventually (hopefully..).

The difference between us is I'm not blindly branded and following instructions like some kind of retarded slave monkey. Sometimes my outrage may be misplaced, but in the end that tends to come out one way or the other and I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong when I actually am - but since it doesn't happen often I'm not in the habit of taking advice from close-minded brainwashed retards.

Confronted with your own gullibility you double down & obfuscate.

Following instructions? There are rules to formulating rational arguments you can't comprehend at all. Repeating breathless gossip about an obvious scam from a rag like the Daily Mail doesn't fall in there at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

The first panel is most accurate, but she's not bombastic enough to take the Trump approach. It's impolite. She's trying to humor the GOP rubes instead of mocking them for their gullibility.

Yeppers.

 

[werepossum]

Well...I thought it was kind of funny. Do you by chance have a sense of humor? If so, I've never seen it.

He's a prime example of HDS, but even he has his limits. If, say, Dick Cheney was run over by a threshing machine he'd laugh his ass off. Below that threshold though it's Humorless Dick Syndrome to a tee. Personally I think it's the mental gymnastics required to support Hillary - it just wrings all the joy out of them.