Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm not sure if you're in a good position to complain about other people citing 'highly opinionated op-ed's considering how often you do exactly that.

I'll do whatever I want, your highness. I defend my rationale for using them (or criticizing them)...instead of arbitrarily dismissing only those with conservative bias as you routinely do. BTW, where is your admonishment of Bowfinger for citing such biased garbage?

 

[Bowfinger]

I did not assert that he was hindering the investigation. I indicated that he did not want anything stated in front of congress to be available to the FBI.

You certainly did assert he was hindering the investigation. Your words:

"And the aide is attempting to hinder an investigation. Information could be provided to the FBI to assist them; but he is hindering such."
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You are asserting speculation as fact.

Legality will come with respect to the FBI investigation.

Yep. That's what I've been saying all along.

She had classified information on a non-secure server and knew it.
She transmitted information using that server that should not have been and knew it.

Both of those are considered to be either illegal or justified grounds for termination of government related positions and revoking security clearance.

More speculation and spin. The FBI will need to determine this, not Fox and its faithful acolytes.

 

[Blackjack200]

I listed four examples.

Note that she admitted only after the publicly available evidence start to pile up. She denied the mistake for months.

The admitting of a mistake covers only half of one of my listed issues.

Donald Trump wants to evict 11 million people and their families; build a hiddeously expensive, usless wall; raped his wife; and never apologized for demanding the execution of five innocenct black teenagers in NYC.

Jeb! Bush can't seem to figure out whether or not it was a good idea to invade Iraq.

Scott Walker wants to build a wall between the United States and Canada.

All three of them want to roll back abortion rights and defund planned parenthood.

I guess everyone will need to make their own decision in the voting booth. I appreciate your concern trolling about the manufactured email scandal though, and I will definintely be thinking of it when I decide who to cast my vote for.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Which was exactly my point. Rather than address my point, he chose to duhvert by quibbling about which sources of highly-opinionated op-eds he indulges. He also ignored the fact that this op-ed was more informative than opinionated, because that wouldn't serve his agenda. Sad.

The op-ed you cited made a unsubstantiated conclusion that clearly serves your agenda. Get real.

 

[Bowfinger]

I'll do whatever I want, your highness. I defend my rationale for using them (or criticizing them)...instead of arbitrarily dismissing only those with conservative bias as you routinely do. BTW, where is your admonishment of Bowfinger for citing such biased garbage?

I also gave my rationale for linking that column. That you choose to dismiss it as "biased garbage" only shows how loyal to the RNC you are. Aside from the title, it's a good overview of what happens when email discussions touch on topics that may be or may become classified.

I'd also note that if you weren't so busy being a partisan, Ignatius' column simply reinforces what should be common sense. We both know the RNC is looking for anything and everything it can find to hang Clinton. If there have been past instances of people being prosecuted for examples similar to Clinton, the nutter media would be all over them. Instead, the most they can come up with are the two examples of people mishandling classified documents, already labeled as classified. That remains an apples to oranges comparison, no matter how much they try to spin it.

 

[Bowfinger]

The op-ed you cited made a unsubstantiated conclusion that clearly serves your agenda. Get real.

I didn't ask you or anyone else to accept his conclusion. As I told Werepossum, " One will have to make his own judgment about what to accept from it ..." My focus was the discussion about how email and potentially classified topics overlap, and how this has traditionally been handled. He offers an inside look at a subject I've not seen covered elsewhere. If you have something better to offer, you're welcome to share it too. Or, you can continue to be gratuitously bitchy about something that challenges your talking points. As you say, you'll do whatever you want.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I didn't ask you or anyone else to accept his conclusion. As I told Werepossum, " One will have to make his own judgment about what to accept from it ..." My focus was the discussion about how email and potentially classified topics overlap, and how this has traditionally been handled. He offers an inside look at a subject I've not seen covered elsewhere. If you have something better to offer, you're welcome to share it too. Or, you can continue to be gratuitously bitchy about something that challenges your talking points. As you say, you'll do whatever you want.

Your whole shtick this thread has been to aggressively confront anyone who presumes or hints at Hillary's guilt without substantive evidence. I find it "ironic" that you cite a highly biased op-ed as credible when it effectively does the same thing by declaring her innocence instead, all without any substantive evidence.

This needs to play itself out. And, between you and me, I hope she's found innocent of any wrongdoing.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Hey why did clinton delete so many emails and wipe the HD? If there was nothing to hide or illegal then there is no reason to do so.

 

[soundforbjt]

Hey why did clinton delete so many emails and wipe the HD? If there was nothing to hide or illegal then there is no reason to do so.

Ask Bush & Co. why they did the same thing.

 

[cabri]

Ask Bush & Co. why they did the same thing.

Clinton is the question - why try to deflect with the usual BECAUSE THE OTHER DID IT.

I thought the Clinton supporters are saying that she is better than the Republicans.

 

[TheGardener]

More speculation and spin. The FBI will need to determine this, not Fox and its faithful acolytes.

I don't think you have fully thought this out. If Clinton didn't know that she had classified documents with her name on the server, then she was clearly not qualified for be SOS. Hence, she would not be qualified to be POTUS. Now if she knew, then that would just mean that she is a manipulative sociopath. I would never say that a sociopath should automatically be unqualified for POTUS. After all, there are so many of them at top levels of government. Bottomline is that by defending her as ignorant and incompetent, you should be also saying there no basis for her being president.

 

[Blackjack200]

Bottomline is that by defending her as ignorant and incompetent, you should be also saying there no basis for her being president.

Doesn't seem to be a problem on the Republican side.

 

[cabri]

I don't think you have fully thought this out. If Clinton didn't know that she had classified documents with her name on the server, then she was clearly not qualified for be SOS. Hence, she would not be qualified to be POTUS. Now if she knew, then that would just mean that she is a manipulative sociopath. I would never say that a sociopath should automatically be unqualified for POTUS. After all, there are so many of them at top levels of government. Bottomline is that by defending her as ignorant and incompetent, you should be also saying there no basis for her being president.

Until it is absolutely stated by the FBI that there was a violation, it will not mater to the supporters.

The fact that classified documents were on the server (per State release) seems to have no bearing on them.

How the documents got there is immaterial; it was hers and she is responsible. She claimed responsibility for the server and use of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Until it is absolutely stated by the FBI that there was a violation, it will not mater to the supporters.

The fact that classified documents were on the server (per State release) seems to have no bearing on them.

How the documents got there is immaterial; it was hers and she is responsible. She claimed responsibility for the server and use of it.

Not quite accurate. If it were, you'd have nothing to get your panties in a wad w/ Hillary hate.

The documents were not classified when they were on her server. They have been classified after the fact for the purposes of the FOIA.

The brand of asswipe used at the White House is probably a state secret.

 

[Jhhnn]

Clinton is the question - why try to deflect with the usual BECAUSE THE OTHER DID IT.

I thought the Clinton supporters are saying that she is better than the Republicans.

I'm OK with any of them using private email servers regardless of Party.

At some point or another, top govt officials need some privacy & some respect if they're to do their jobs. When you can show that truly secret information escaped into the wild through hacking of such servers then you'll have some sort of a case.

Until that time, you're just chastizing Hillary in a highly dishonest partisan manner.

If national security is really the issue (rather than a partisan attack vector) then it's a lot bigger than just Hillary & we should recognize that & use the opportunity for constructive purpose down the road.

 

[shira]

Your whole shtick this thread has been to aggressively confront anyone who presumes or hints at Hillary's guilt without substantive evidence. I find it "ironic" that you cite a highly biased op-ed as credible when it effectively does the same thing by declaring her innocence instead, all without any substantive evidence.

This needs to play itself out. And, between you and me, I hope she's found innocent of any wrongdoing.

The Op-Ed piece doesn't declare her innocent of wrong-doing. It points out that this type of mishandling of classified information (if that's indeed what's happened with Hilary) is extremely common (because working within the classified system is so burdensome), and violations are routinely ignored by those tasked to protect the nation's security.

The actual quote from the article is:

Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.

Now, let's for a moment assume that quoted excerpt is correct. And let's also assume that Hilary has "mishandled" classified in the sloppy, unauthorized manner described in the excerpt. In that case, should Hilary be singled out and prosecuted? Should righties like you keep accusing Hilary of wrongdoing? You tell me.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Ask Bush & Co. why they did the same thing.

Clinton and Bush are one. They are both crooked.

Why did Bush and Clinton destroy materials like Nixon?

 

[Bowfinger]

I don't think you have fully thought this out. If Clinton didn't know that she had classified documents with her name on the server, then she was clearly not qualified for be SOS. Hence, she would not be qualified to be POTUS. Now if she knew, then that would just mean that she is a manipulative sociopath. I would never say that a sociopath should automatically be unqualified for POTUS. After all, there are so many of them at top levels of government. Bottomline is that by defending her as ignorant and incompetent, you should be also saying there no basis for her being president.

Until it is absolutely stated by the FBI that there was a violation, it will not mater to the supporters.

The fact that classified documents were on the server (per State release) seems to have no bearing on them.

How the documents got there is immaterial; it was hers and she is responsible. She claimed responsibility for the server and use of it.

You are faithfully parroting the spin, to be sure, but that spin is highly misleading at best. The so-called "classified documents" you keep chanting qualify as documents only in the most technical sense of the word. Based on everything released so far, there have been exactly zero "documents" as the term is commonly used. Instead, we have email conversations that touched on areas that may be considered classified. Even that is debatable since in many cases the "classified" bits are things that had already been reported in the media.

I hate to belabor this since it's already been covered in great detail earlier in this thread. But, for example, one of the potentially classified emails was a conversation about a news article about a drone strike. While that may technically be considered classified since the drone program is classified, it's a bit ridiculous to suggest public officials cannot discuss public information. If every such infraction was prosecuted, D.C. would be a ghost town.

The bottom line is while Fox and it's ilk are carrying on like Clinton was storing nuclear launch codes on an open server, the reality isn't nearly so sensational. It's just the usual RNC smear, sold to willing rubes who crave their daily dose of outrage. We'll have to wait for the FBI to determine if there's really any fire behind the massive clouds of RNC smoke.

 

[Ichinisan]

Hey why did clinton delete so many emails and wipe the HD? If there was nothing to hide or illegal then there is no reason to do so.

Because -DERP!- Duuuuurrrr what does "wipe" mean? Durrrr...

 

[Zorkorist]

She's a Clinton. A wonder she hasn't been impeached already.

#preimpeachment

 

[flexy]

You know you have a good candidate at hand when voices are heard, shouting for impeachment....a year BEFORE elections

 

[IronWing]

"I didn't really stop and think... "

Let me just say this about that, "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" That's all.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So it looks like the new outrage is going to be that the Clintons paid their staffer to maintain their private server. <pearl clutching intensifies> I'd post a link but I'm sure it will be everywhere for the next couple of days complete with unflattering pictures of Hilary scowling attached.

 

[IronWing]

So it looks like the new outrage is going to be that the Clintons paid their staffer to maintain their private server. <pearl clutching intensifies> I'd post a link but I'm sure it will be everywhere for the next couple of days complete with unflattering pictures of Hilary scowling attached.

The Clintons paid a federal employee to maintain the server. This is possibly a criminal offense on the part of the employee. If maintaining the server was truly government work then the employee was double dipping, which is illegal. If the work was not government work then the employee was taking employment with what was almost certainly a prohibited source (the Clintons). The scandal just went from "not much" to a what is very likely to be a career ending investigation for the employee. The Clintons will likely slip past it.

 

[nickqt]

I'm sure the fishing expedition isn't going to end anytime soon.

Whitewater turned into an Impeachment over a blowjob. It's their MO.