Clinton supporter sues to keep Obama from being nominated

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

How far will you reach to try to find a story that sticks?

im not reaching im just asking a question. in his own book he says he goes to Pakistan but at that time US Citizens were banned to travel to Pakistan.

That doesn't prove he had an Indonesian passport, countries can make special travel exemptions or there could be a ton of other explanations. That travel all by itself is not even suggestive of wrongdoing, and there is NO proof regarding the "Indonesian passport" story.

ok then what about going to school in Indonesia when the government would not allow non citizens in the class room?

Can you please tell us why it matters?

Listen.. if America wants to run the whole fucking world.. wouldn't a little multi-culturalism help us stop being murderers like we are in Iraq? Unprovoked war with at least 50,000 DEAD and people rounded up and tortured by our own hands... <<something to be proud of?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: eleison
People... stop this bickering... Obama is the Messiah. Since he is the Messiah he can go wherever and whenever he wants. Come on folks. If jesus was here today, you wouldn't expect him to be bound by documents and such... think people!!!

If you want to talk about Messiahs then I suggest you direct yourself towards the evangelicals in your own party because you will not find any Messiahs here.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: eleison
People... stop this bickering... Obama is the Messiah. Since he is the Messiah he can go wherever and whenever he wants. Come on folks. If jesus was here today, you wouldn't expect him to be bound by documents and such... think people!!!

Wasn't funny the first time and it's still not funny. Keep trying though... :roll:

Fuck that.. IT IS HILARIOUS...LOL

It shows their pathetic FEAR.. hahhahahahah

bitches...

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: eleison
People... stop this bickering... Obama is the Messiah. Since he is the Messiah he can go wherever and whenever he wants. Come on folks. If jesus was here today, you wouldn't expect him to be bound by documents and such... think people!!!

So do you have anything worthwhile to say or are you just trolling yet again (no need to actually respond, the answer is obvious).

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

How far will you reach to try to find a story that sticks?

im not reaching im just asking a question. in his own book he says he goes to Pakistan but at that time US Citizens were banned to travel to Pakistan.

That doesn't prove he had an Indonesian passport, countries can make special travel exemptions or there could be a ton of other explanations. That travel all by itself is not even suggestive of wrongdoing, and there is NO proof regarding the "Indonesian passport" story.

ok then what about going to school in Indonesia when the government would not allow non citizens in the class room?

What about it? You are asserting that Obama is not a US citizen, and nothing you've said is evidence of your claim. Even if his father claimed Obama had Indonesian citizenship to get him into the classroom, Obama was a minor at the time, and minors CAN'T give up their US citizenship until they are 18 (and if the other country doesn't allow dual citizenship). But you don't even have any proof that Obama was an Indonesian citizen at the time...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

How far will you reach to try to find a story that sticks?

im not reaching im just asking a question. in his own book he says he goes to Pakistan but at that time US Citizens were banned to travel to Pakistan.

That doesn't prove he had an Indonesian passport, countries can make special travel exemptions or there could be a ton of other explanations. That travel all by itself is not even suggestive of wrongdoing, and there is NO proof regarding the "Indonesian passport" story.

ok then what about going to school in Indonesia when the government would not allow non citizens in the class room?

What is illegal and what happen are two different things. How do you know anybody knew he wasn't a citizen, or really cared.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dari
Nevermind. I see it. What was he doing there?

from google...

Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

I will say this, 1981 was certainly an interesting time to "visit" Pakistan... but, it's still a non-issue to me.

Show me undeniable proof that Obama was not a U.S. citizen, or that his actions in Pakistan were more than they appear, and I will consider it a serious issue. Until then, you're simply reaching...

 

[dahunan]

Even if he was a citizen of Ihateamericaistan.... he sure seems to LOVE America and her people and wants her people to have the love INSTEAD of the corporations and defense industry unlike some carbon copy of the last 8 years..

so many of you think he has the latest gangsta rap album in his cd player and reads malcolm x to his kids and is teaching them to be suicide bombers.. God Damn America and your racism and non-white fear

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Dari
Obama went to Pakistan in 1981?

yes

proof?

wtf his campaign has said so. go find your own proof. its called google.com

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari
Nevermind. I see it. What was he doing there?

from google...

Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

I see. I know a lot of Israelis that go to India on backpack trips. I find it odd that people would go to tense places like that.

I know India is not as bad as Pakistan but some places there have Maoist insurgencies.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: eleison
People... stop this bickering... Obama is the Messiah. Since he is the Messiah he can go wherever and whenever he wants. Come on folks. If jesus was here today, you wouldn't expect him to be bound by documents and such... think people!!!

Wasn't funny the first time and it's still not funny. Keep trying though... :roll:

Fuck that.. IT IS HILARIOUS...LOL

It shows their pathetic FEAR.. hahhahahahah

bitches...

Fear??? I'm just sick and tired of people trying to "bring Obama down" when we all know he's the 2nd coming. Lets admit it. He's going to be our next president. Get over it!!! Lets move on.

If Jesus was running for office, you wouldn't expect to people "confront" him with all these trivialities? People.. listen, for the first time in the history of mankind, we are going to have a deity for a president -- isn't this good enough?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

I find a great many claims in your posts in this thread incredible. It would be more convincing with some supporting evidence.

Are you certain that Indonesia had an effective method for policing dual-citizenship, or is it merely policy on the books?

Was this law which disallows non-citizens from Indonesian school in effect at the time?

I recall, for example, your simultaneously dogmatic adherence to, and miserable failure at defending preposterous anti-evolutionary claims, so quite honestly if you were to tell me the sky were blue, I'd still have to wait for the clouds to clear before I believed you.

 

[seemingly random]

It looks like some here might start sniffing obama's underwear in their relentless search for bogey men.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

How far will you reach to try to find a story that sticks?

im not reaching im just asking a question. in his own book he says he goes to Pakistan but at that time US Citizens were banned to travel to Pakistan.

That doesn't prove he had an Indonesian passport, countries can make special travel exemptions or there could be a ton of other explanations. That travel all by itself is not even suggestive of wrongdoing, and there is NO proof regarding the "Indonesian passport" story.

ok then what about going to school in Indonesia when the government would not allow non citizens in the class room?

What about it? You are asserting that Obama is not a US citizen, and nothing you've said is evidence of your claim. Even if his father claimed Obama had Indonesian citizenship to get him into the classroom, Obama was a minor at the time, and minors CAN'T give up their US citizenship until they are 18 (and if the other country doesn't allow dual citizenship). But you don't even have any proof that Obama was an Indonesian citizen at the time...

The obvious answer to the OP is that Obama's stepfather acquired Indonesian citizenship for Obama illegally (according to Indonesia's laws, not US laws). This did not affect his natural-born American citizenship, so it's a non-issue. He may have later used his step-father's fraud to enter Pakistan in his college years. Another non-issue.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Even if he was a citizen of Ihateamericaistan.... he sure seems to LOVE America and her people and wants her people to have the love INSTEAD of the corporations and defense industry unlike some carbon copy of the last 8 years..

so many of you think he has the latest gangsta rap album in his cd player and reads malcolm x to his kids and is teaching them to be suicide bombers.. God Damn America and your racism and non-white fear

Just to be fair, if it is determined that he was not a U.S. citizen at any point in time, it would certainly be a serious issue -- thanks to a little "piece of paper" called the Constitution of the United States of America. My own chosen candidate, Obama, would have to withdraw from the race. Unlike you, I'm not willing to shred that paper out of sheer lust for "change."

That said, at this point, it's a non-issue.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

I find a great many claims in your posts in this thread incredible. It would be more convincing with some supporting evidence.

Are you certain that Indonesia had an effective method for policing dual-citizenship, or is it merely policy on the books?

Was this law which disallows non-citizens from Indonesian school in effect at the time?

I recall, for example, your simultaneously dogmatic adherence to, and miserable failure at defending preposterous anti-evolutionary claims, so quite honestly if you were to tell me the sky were blue, I'd still have to wait for the clouds to clear before I believed you.

I wonder if he knows where indonesia is located on a map.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

I find a great many claims in your posts in this thread incredible. It would be more convincing with some supporting evidence.

Are you certain that Indonesia had an effective method for policing dual-citizenship, or is it merely policy on the books?

Was this law which disallows non-citizens from Indonesian school in effect at the time?

I recall, for example, your simultaneously dogmatic adherence to, and miserable failure at defending preposterous anti-evolutionary claims, so quite honestly if you were to tell me the sky were blue, I'd still have to wait for the clouds to clear before I believed you.

People don't seem to understand that Indonesian citizenship would mean absolutely nothing as to his US citizenship. So what if Indonesia didn't allow dual citizenship? The US doesn't care. In order for him to have lost his US citizenship he would have to renounce it, join the military of a foreign power, etc. He did none of those things.

When are these ridiculous threads going to stop? Right wingers, I'm serious, at this point you're just embarrassing yourselves.

 

[retrospooty]

Des.... peratiooooooooon.... Why dont you come to your senses?

Or, even better, talk about issues that matter? ? ?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: eleison
People... stop this bickering... Obama is the Messiah. Since he is the Messiah he can go wherever and whenever he wants. Come on folks. If jesus was here today, you wouldn't expect him to be bound by documents and such... think people!!!

Wasn't funny the first time and it's still not funny. Keep trying though... :roll:

Fuck that.. IT IS HILARIOUS...LOL

It shows their pathetic FEAR.. hahhahahahah

bitches...

Fear??? I'm just sick and tired of people trying to "bring Obama down" when we all know he's the 2nd coming. Lets admit it. He's going to be our next president. Get over it!!! Lets move on.

If Jesus was running for office, you wouldn't expect to people "confront" him with all these trivialities? People.. listen, for the first time in the history of mankind, we are going to have a deity for a president -- isn't this good enough?

Hypothetical situation:

Obama: There is water in wine (a completely true statement, wine is 80% water).
Wingnut media: Obama said he can turn water into wine!
Wingnuts: /rushes to post on every conceivable internet medium
Sane people: Uhh... that's not what he said.
Wingnuts: Obamessiah! Obamessiah! Libuhral media! Libuhral sheep!
Sane people: :roll:

2 weeks later -
Wingnuts: Obama said he can turn water into wine!
Sane people: /facepalm

edit: fixed typo

 

[SP33Demon]

Why does it matter? He visited for 3 weeks.

 

[CptObvious]

Obama was also considered a citizen of the British Colonies under the British Nationality Act of 1948, by virtue of his father being a British subject. My earlier point was that he wouldn't necessarily have had to rely on his U.S. citizenship to gain entry into Pakistan. Saying that Obama had to be an Indonesian citizen is a presumptuous stretch, especially without facts by Citrix to back it up.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Hypothetical situation:

Obama: There is water in wine (a completely true statement, wine is 80% water).
Wingnut media: Obama said he can turn water in wine!
Wingnuts: /rushes to post on every conceivable internet medium
Sane people: Uhh... that's not what he said.
Wingnuts: Obamessiah! Obamessiah! Libuhral media! Libuhral sheep!
Sane people: :roll:

2 weeks later -
Wingnuts: Obama said he can turn water in wine!
Sane people: /facepalm

WHY IS THE MSM IGNORING THIS!?!?!!!?!!

 

[Red Dawn]

Bump for merge

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
One of my best friends was born in the US, but since his father is a natural born German citizen, he also has a German passport.

Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. which raises another question.....

I find a great many claims in your posts in this thread incredible. It would be more convincing with some supporting evidence.

Are you certain that Indonesia had an effective method for policing dual-citizenship, or is it merely policy on the books?

Was this law which disallows non-citizens from Indonesian school in effect at the time?

I recall, for example, your simultaneously dogmatic adherence to, and miserable failure at defending preposterous anti-evolutionary claims, so quite honestly if you were to tell me the sky were blue, I'd still have to wait for the clouds to clear before I believed you.

People don't seem to understand that Indonesian citizenship would mean absolutely nothing as to his US citizenship. So what if Indonesia didn't allow dual citizenship? The US doesn't care. In order for him to have lost his US citizenship he would have to renounce it, join the military of a foreign power, etc. He did none of those things.

When are these ridiculous threads going to stop? Right wingers, I'm serious, at this point you're just embarrassing yourselves.

LOL, like that's exclusive to righties?? I remember a Palin thread where the OP was speculating that her downs baby was realy her daughter's baby and they were covering her pregnancy up.

At least this issue has a tooth. If Obama does have dual citizenship that fact should be out there for everybody to know. I seriously doubt he does, but stranger things have happened??

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
AMAZING, TOTALLY UNEXPECTED UPDATE:

Judge tosses the lawsuit, says arguments are "frivolous" and "not worthy of discussion"

This exciting update is a surprise to exactly zero people. (okay, maybe Butterbean)

well of course a democrat judge appointed by Clinton threw it out. :roll: