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Originally posted by: hellokeith

Factcheck is owned and run by a former Obama employer. That disqualifies it from making broad and uncorroborated statements about Obama's past.

BULLSHIT!!! You should try checking facts some day... for a change. You might learn something. :roll:

Factcheck.org was founded and is directed by Brooks Jackson and operated by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

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202-879-6708.:
bjackson@appcpenn.org

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Viveca Novak
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Kathleen Hall Jamieson, PhD
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Dr. Kathleen Jamieson, Elizabeth Ware Packard Professor at the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, has written extensively on the press, politics, and presidential campaigns. Her research into deceptive political TV ads produced techniques that are now in common use in TV "adwatch" stories. Among the many books she has authored are: Dirty Politics: Deception, Distraction, and Democracy (Oxford University Press, 1992) and Everything You Think You Know About Politics...and Why You're Wrong (Basic Books, 2000).

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Joe Miller
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Justin Bank
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Jordan Grossman
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Please tell us exactly who or what entity listed, above, is or was Obama's employer, and even if you can make that connection, please explain why any of them is any position to be biased regarding the facts of Obama's citizenship.

Clue -- It would mean that both the Annenberg Public Policy Center and the University of Pennsylvania would have to risk their very public credibility by contradicting facts that can and will be confirmed by real, existing documents.
 

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Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995?2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995?1999. Sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation, the CAC received a charter grant of $49.2 million in 1995. The CAC's operations were closed in 2001, and subsumed into those of the Annenberg Institute for Social Reform. Other organizations and programs of the Annenberg Foundation include The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania (1994) and FactCheck.org.

You guys really not need get so upset. Just demand independent verification from an entity or organization that doesn't have Obama (and another name I'm not going to mention) ties. Really that simple. History teaches us that political cover-up's are far more damaging than the actions they try to hide.

And now for the umpteenth time in this thread, I'll again say that I don't think anything is going to come of this lawsuit, regardless of its alleged merits.
 

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**** TO ALL OF YOU that posted previously *** : if until now you did not get what illuminati theater means, it is probably too late for you to do it now.

"Clinton to exit race tomorrow" while "Obama celebrates victory" signals the final chapter of the "comeback kid Clinton as the last president of the US" script.

Reminder:
Obama's main role is to confirm that voting machines count Clinton's 5 pct votes correctly.
Ron Paul's main role is to confirm that voting machines count McCain 1 pct votes correctly.
Main Role of senile McCain as alternative to next "elected" president Clinton is to prove that the illuminati can sell ANYTHING to the "human cattle".

All has been explained long ago:
http://last-antichrist.blogspo...8-for-dummies-two.html
http://end-times-data.blogspot...-clinton-horrible.html
http://end-times-prophet.blogs...y-clinton-will-be.html
http://end-times-computers.blo...om-barackobamacom.html
 

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Inside Today's Bulletin
Pennsylvania Attorney Questions The Citizenship Of Barack Obama
By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin
10/17/2008
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A Pennsylvania lawyer has filed a suit against Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, alleging that the Illinois senator is not eligible to be sworn in.



Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and former chair of the Montgomery County Democratic State Committee, filed suit against Mr. Obama in the U.S. District Court for Eastern Pennsylvania in August.

According to the U.S. Constitution, there are distinct requirements to become president.

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president," it reads. "Neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

The suit asks whether or not Mr. Obama is indeed a "natural born" citizen.

The first part of Mr. Berg's case focuses on the possibility that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, where his mother, Ann Dunham, was staying. Mr. Berg alleges that some of Mr. Obama's family members say that he was born in Kenya, not in the U.S. as his campaign says. According to these sources, Ms. Dunham was denied entry to her flight back to Hawaii, since she was too far along in her pregnancy to fly. She allegedly gave birth to Mr. Obama in Kenya, then flew back to Hawaii and registered his birth there.

In cases where both parents are U.S. citizens, their children are citizens, even if they're born overseas. Mr. Berg argues that according to the law in the 1960s, when only one parent is a U.S. citizen, the parent must have spent 10 years in the U.S., five of which were over age 14. Mr. Obama's mother was 18 years old when she gave birth, a few months short of the 19-year-old minimum age to pass on citizenship if giving birth in a foreign country.

Mr. Berg says some people have accused him of dabbling in technicalities.

"I'm not talking technicalities," he said. "I'm talking about the law being the law."

Mr. Berg, who publishes details on the case at his Web site as they occur, wants the Obama campaign to produce Mr. Obama's original birth certificate and documents proving citizenship.

The Obama campaign released a digital scan of Mr. Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site in June. It is not the original birth certificate, but a new version produced by the State of Hawaii in 2007. Mr. Berg said he believes the certificate is a forgery.

"They don't have [the original documents]," said Mr. Berg. He is convinced that there is no birth certificate for Mr. Obama issued in 1961. If the defendants do produce them, he has promised to withdraw the case.

The second portion of the case deals with Mr. Obama's childhood in Indonesia. Ms. Dunham married an Indonesian businessman named Lolo Soetoro, taking Mr. Obama to Indonesia for several years. Mr. Berg says that Mr. Obama had to have been a citizen in Indonesia while he was there, and in consequence, he would be either a naturalized U.S. citizen or an illegal immigrant.

"In the '60s, Indonesia was at war, and they didn't allow dual citizenship," said Mr. Berg. "Mr. Obama admits to going to school there, something he would only have been able to do if he were adopted or considered a natural born citizen of Indonesia."

He was known as Barry Soetoro while in Indonesia. He returned to the U.S. and stayed with his grandparents at age 10.

Mr. Obama's representatives have filed for dismissal, arguing that Mr. Berg has no standing to file the suit.

"In this case, Mr. Berg fails to allege any concrete, specific injury in fact to himself," reads the request for dismissal. "He alleges that if Sen. Obama is elected as president and then discovered to be ineligible, 'plaintiff as well as other Democratic Americans will suffer Irreparable Harm including ... disenfranchisement of large numbers of citizens, being members of the Democratic Party, who would have been deprived of the ability to choose a nominee of their liking.' It is well-established, however, that a voter's loss of the ability to vote for a candidate 'of their liking' does not confer standing because the actual injury is not to the voter but to the candidate."

The case now waits on the ruling of Judge R. Barclay Surrick, who was appointed to the Third Circuit by President Bill Clinton in April 2000.

"I'm a lifelong Democrat, and I'm doing this to enforce the Constitution," said Mr. Berg. He said it was a crime for the Democratic Party to protect Mr. Obama over protecting the Constitution. "Barack Obama taught Constitutional law, he knows his status, and he knows that he's not eligible. [Calif. Gov. Arnold] Schwarzenegger wants to run for president, he says, 'Go change the constitution.' Barack Obama wants to run for president, he'll just ignore the Constitution."

"This is the first time in the history of our government that an unqualified person has run for the office of president," said Mr. Berg.

John P. Connolly can be reached at jconnolly@thebulletin.us
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That would suck if he was disqualified by technicalities in the law. Suppose it is true, do you think he should still be allowed a vote by the people?

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And we do know that McCain was NOT born in the US but the Panama Canal zone.
 

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The courts will likely chuck this one like they did the suit against Cheney for pretending to live in Wyoming when he really lived in Texas and therefore was not eligible to run as Bush's VP.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: techs
And we do know that McCain was NOT born in the US but the Panama Canal zone.

Yes, that was discussed at nauseam on the senate floor, more than once. IIRC, the last time it was discussed, there was some discussion about barack also.
 

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Wretched sick people who will dreg out every email accusation they ever received.

Welcome to P&N
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.
Did you miss this part?
Suppose it is true, do you think he should still be allowed a vote by the people?
 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.
Did you miss this part?
Suppose it is true, do you think he should still be allowed a vote by the people?
I didn't read it. I didn't read beyond the article title because these rumors have kicked around forever. If it's true to his knowledge, no he shouldn't be allowed; he'll be gone and auto-lose, but that won't happen. If evidence was there, it would be out already. It's another desperate seed of doubt sowing.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.

Yeah but it would be REALLY easy to put a stop to it right damn quick wouldnt it?

All that is required is........
 

OCGuy

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Its a question that should be answered. What are the dems scared of? That it might be true?

Anyone who is pretending to know one way or the other is a partisan hack.
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.

Yeah but it would be REALLY easy to put a stop to it right damn quick wouldnt it?

All that is required is........
Old news, thoroughly debunked. Go to FactCheck or Snopes, people have handled a certified copy of Hawaii Certification of Birth.
 

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.

Yeah but it would be REALLY easy to put a stop to it right damn quick wouldnt it?

All that is required is........
Old news, thoroughly debunked. Go to FactCheck or Snopes, people have handled a certified copy of Hawaii Certification of Birth.


Well then that should end it if its true.
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.

Yeah but it would be REALLY easy to put a stop to it right damn quick wouldnt it?

All that is required is........

I don't have my original birth certificate. In fact the few people who I've found out the status of their birth certificates, three, also didn't have originals. And I'm 21. Give me another 26 years and I'll probably lose the one I have now, too.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.

Yeah but it would be REALLY easy to put a stop to it right damn quick wouldnt it?

All that is required is........
Old news, thoroughly debunked. Go to FactCheck or Snopes, people have handled a certified copy of Hawaii Certification of Birth.
Link?
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This has been a baseless rumor for a long time. It has no proof whatsoever.
Yeah but it would be REALLY easy to put a stop to it right damn quick wouldnt it?
All that is required is........
Old news, thoroughly debunked. Go to FactCheck or Snopes, people have handled a certified copy of Hawaii Certification of Birth.
Well then that should end it if its true.
When have facts ever mattered in a good smear campaign? The more contrary evidence you provide some people, the more convinced they become.
 

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I don't think I even have my original birth certificate, only the one that was reissued years later. I must have been born outside the U.S.!
 

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I have to have my birth certificate to get an F'ing drivers license in Missouri. Surely someone running for president should have to produce one.