Clinton supporter sues to keep Obama from being nominated

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Fern
AnandTech P&N Moderator


any truth to this? http://www.homelandsecurityus....PDF/obamaComplaint.pdf

 

[Robor]

No

 

[fskimospy]

Nope, zero truth to it whatsoever. It has been repeatedly debunked.

 

[CalvinHobbes]

Yes, that's completely true. His people just really didn't research enough before going ahead with his campaign.

/faceslap

 

[Thump553]

About as true as McCain not being eligble because he was born in the Panama Canal zone.

Hey, the more I think about it I see a giant conspiracy to keep George Bush in office for more than eight years (secondary conspiracy theory - to ensure a Barr or Nader Presidency).

 

[RightIsWrong]

OP....22 posts in over 3 years times? What gives?

 

[Genx87]

There is a thread a week on this subject. If there was any merit to it Clinton would have used it long ago.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
OP....22 posts in over 3 years times? What gives?

Some people just aren't as in love with their own thoughts as others. I've never had a problem with people who choose to remain silent rather than fill the forums with banality.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
OP....22 posts in over 3 years times? What gives?

Some people just aren't as in love with their own thoughts as others. I've never had a problem with people who choose to remain silent rather than fill the forums with banality.

Talk about a banal post!

 

[JD50]

/facepalm

 

[Fern]

I've read the lawsuit. I think if it were you or I, we'd have a problem on our hands.

He has several relatives apparently claiming he was born in Kenya.

The suit also claims a GOP team traveled to kenya and found a birth cetrtificate there for Obama.

And, if their law citations are accurate, looks he may have a real technical problem as far as his citizenship.

Otherwise, the suit cites a trip Obama made to Pakistan on his Indonesion passport when he was 20 yrs old? WTH? I forsee some interesting GOP attack ads in the future.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern
I've read the lawsuit. I think if it were you or I, we'd have a problem on our hands.

He has several relatives apparently claiming he was born in Kenya.

The suit also claims a GOP team traveled to kenya and found a birth cetrtificate there for Obama.

And, if their law citations are accurate, looks he may have a real technical problem as far as his citizenship.

Otherwise, the suit cites a trip Obama made to Pakistan on his Indonesion passport when he was 20 yrs old? WTH? I forsee some interesting GOP attack ads in the future.

Fern

No, there would be no problem whatsoever. He has a certified birth certificate from a US hospital inside the US. Case closed. In addition there are notices of birth published in the local paper from when he was born. As factcheck.org mentions, unless he grandparents were looking to shore up his presidential run 47 years hence, what's the point?

Man, take off your tinfoil hat. Factcheck.org already utterly demolished this rumor.

 

[PokerGuy]

This will get little traction not because it doesn't have legal merit, but because it's simply inconceivable that the Obamessiah would not be allowed to run.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: bdude
grasping for straws is what it is

Wasn't that the entire clinton primary campaign's plan since super tuesday?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
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Man, take off your tinfoil hat. Factcheck.org already utterly demolished this rumor.

Nope. All they've looked at is the short form.

Google info about Hawaiin records. You can apply for a birth certifcate there if you weren't born in a hospital etc and have no record of birth otherwise.

I can find nothing that says the short form factcheck.org has looked at only applies to regular birth records.

They check the long form (real birth record) OK.

Notice of birth in the newspaper means exactly squat. It no more means where somebody was born than an obit in a local paper means they died there.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: eskimospy
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Man, take off your tinfoil hat. Factcheck.org already utterly demolished this rumor.

Nope. All they've looked at is the short form.

Google info about Hawaiin records. You can apply for a birth certifcate there if you weren't born in a hospital etc and have no record of birth otherwise.

I can find nothing that says the short form factcheck.org has looked at only applies to regular birth records.

They check the long form (real birth record) OK.

Notice of birth in the newspaper means exactly squat. It no more means where somebody was born than an obit in a local paper means they died there.

Fern

So you think that Obama's grandparents put out an ad in the paper so that he could have supporting evidence 47 years later for a presidential bid? Think about how insane you're sounding right now. Furthermore the birth announcements come from the Vital Records office. The grandparents couldn't pay the newspaper for an announcement there, the only way it could be placed there was by the office. The only way you could get it in there otherwise was to submit a whole load of paperwork that has to be checked over by the office. The announcement came within a week of his birth, and there's really no way that's going to be processed that fast for a special case.

I'm not sure why you latch onto these crazy conspiracy theories sometimes. Any reasonable person would see that the vast, vast majority of evidence points to Obama being born in Hawaii. This level of proof doesn't fly for 9/11 truthers, and it doesn't fly here. Tin foil hats man...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
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So you think that Obama's grandparents put out an ad in the paper so that he could have supporting evidence 47 years later for a presidential bid?

Of course not. Why would you even say that?

They'd put it in to let everyone know they had a grandson etc. Those things are nothing but *social announcements*.

Fern

 

[hellokeith]

As posted previously, FactCheck is owned and run by a former Obama employer. Not exactly objective journalistic research.

That said, even if this is true, I highly doubt anything will come of it. I would expect a change of law to be more likely than Obama's campaign derailed due to a technicality.

 

[herkulease]

Even if this was true, at this late in the game, I doubt the courts would even touch it. Just like McCain no court will touch that.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: eskimospy
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So you think that Obama's grandparents put out an ad in the paper so that he could have supporting evidence 47 years later for a presidential bid?

Of course not. Why would you even say that?

They'd put it in to let everyone know they had a grandson etc. Those things are nothing but *social announcements*.

Fern

They weren't "social announcements" back then. They were releases from the Office of Vital Statistics.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
As posted previously, FactCheck is owned and run by a former Obama employer. Not exactly objective journalistic research.

That said, even if this is true, I highly doubt anything will come of it. I would expect a change of law to be more likely than Obama's campaign derailed due to a technicality.

Factcheck.org is objective journalistic research. Interesting that you would quote a source that Dick Cheney used in a debate as a leftist partisan one. Can you provide a single shred of evidence that shows any of its pieces are tainted by partisanship? A single one? If not, I suggest you shut up.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: SlingXShot
factcheck.org did some research and debunked it. They touched and photographed the certificate..

http://www.factcheck.org/elect...8/born_in_the_usa.html

conspiracy! you take a mere piece of paper as fact? eventhorizon can tell you something about how useless that is! Why won't Obama tell the truth??

From the link:

Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Partisan hacks!

 

[Lemon law]

I doubt the GOP will even try to force it into court where the claim may be demolished. But it has surface swiftboat value and that is all. Just more FUD, a GOP trademark almost as old as the waffle house and Karl Rove, and tricky Dick combined. Pssssssssssssssst Obama is a Muslim, pass it on. Pssssssssssssssst the REV Wright is a dangerous Christian mentor of Obama, both are true in the land are FUD but mutually exclusive in reality.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Factcheck.org is objective journalistic research.

Factcheck is owned and run by a former Obama employer. That disqualifies it from making broad and uncorroborated statements about Obama's past. If Obama truly was born in Hawaii, why would you not want an independent verification?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I suggest you shut up.

The Fairness Doctrine in action!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Factcheck.org is objective journalistic research.

Factcheck is owned and run by a former Obama employer. That disqualifies it from making broad and uncorroborated statements about Obama's past. If Obama truly was born in Hawaii, why would you not want an independent verification?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I suggest you shut up.

The Fairness Doctrine in action!

I suggested you shut up to keep from embarrassing yourself further. Do you realize how big the Annenberg foundation is? I'll take your non-reply to mean that you can't even find a single example.