Clinton supporter sues to keep Obama from being nominated

XMan

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html">In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.</a>

Interesting twist to what formerly was just an Internet rumor, if true. I wonder if this is some sort of precursor to a Hilary coup at the convention?
 

Nebor

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Awesome. This is the kind of truth seeking justice that American politics needs.
 

Fern

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Interesting.

We've seen discussions of this type before and I tried to search for the process whereby the candidates are approved as meeting all the requirments of the office.

I got zip. I could even who (what beauocracy) is responsible. This puzzles me because it's such an important thing. The verifictaion process should be transparent & public.

If his parents did change his citizenship to Indo while he was young he may have a problem. I'm pretty sure that prior to mid-late 80's getting another country's citizenship automaticaly voided US citizenship.

Fern
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Dari
Then there's McCain's birth...

AFAIK, McCain was here before the United States declared independence so his place of birth is irrelevant.
 

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Right now this story is only showing up on the kook-run pro-Hillary blogs, and that's probably where it will stay.
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Dari
Then there's McCain's birth...

Both of his parents were US citizens, McCain was a citizen automatically no matter where he was born.
 

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Actually I will grant you it is somewhat interesting. I thought it would be a completely silly story, but losing on a technicality like this would be comical, although I think it will not come to pass.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Actually I will grant you it is somewhat interesting. I thought it would be a completely silly story, but losing on a technicality like this would be comical, although I think it will not come to pass.
agree

even if its true, at this point in the game I would consider this stuff buried or soon to be buried.

 

Dari

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Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: Dari
Then there's McCain's birth...

Both of his parents were US citizens, McCain was a citizen automatically no matter where he was born.

It's not the citizenship that's the problem, it's whether or not he's a natural born citizen. I was born on a fucking plane because my parents wanted me to be born somewhere. I've alway been an American citizen but I don't think I would pass the natural citizen test.
 
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Originally posted by: Fern
Interesting.

We've seen discussions of this type before and I tried to search for the process whereby the candidates are approved as meeting all the requirments of the office.

I got zip. I could even who (what beauocracy) is responsible. This puzzles me because it's such an important thing. The verifictaion process should be transparent & public.

If his parents did change his citizenship to Indo while he was young he may have a problem. I'm pretty sure that prior to mid-late 80's getting another country's citizenship automaticaly voided US citizenship.

Fern

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/forms/fecfrm2.pdf

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/forms/fecfrm2i.pdf

The Federal Election Commission
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Fern
Interesting.

We've seen discussions of this type before and I tried to search for the process whereby the candidates are approved as meeting all the requirments of the office.

I got zip. I could even who (what beauocracy) is responsible. This puzzles me because it's such an important thing. The verifictaion process should be transparent & public.

If his parents did change his citizenship to Indo while he was young he may have a problem. I'm pretty sure that prior to mid-late 80's getting another country's citizenship automaticaly voided US citizenship.

Fern

I think the FBI would've known by now.
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
Interesting.

We've seen discussions of this type before and I tried to search for the process whereby the candidates are approved as meeting all the requirments of the office.

I got zip. I could even who (what beauocracy) is responsible. This puzzles me because it's such an important thing. The verifictaion process should be transparent & public.

If his parents did change his citizenship to Indo while he was young he may have a problem. I'm pretty sure that prior to mid-late 80's getting another country's citizenship automatically voided US citizenship.

Fern

That only applies to people over the age of 18, with most countries. My sister had full US and Philippine citizenship until her 18th birthday.
 

Dari

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This is weird. We have both candidates being taken to court because of their status as natural born citizen. McCain's case is very clear-cut, even if the founding fathers never intended to inadvertenly punish military families. Obama's case is more conspirational.
 

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What would happen if a candidate won the general election, and were then found to not be a natural-born citizen? Who becomes President? The VP Candidate?
 

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Originally posted by: shira
What would happen if a candidate won the general election, and were then found to not be a natural-born citizen? Who becomes President? The VP Candidate?
Once you're elected President, you decide what's true and what's false.
 

First

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You have to be dumb as fuck to honestly believe any of this. And this lawyer truly is a sad excuse for a Hillary supporter (well actually, maybe not :laugh: ).
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: shira
What would happen if a candidate won the general election, and were then found to not be a natural-born citizen? Who becomes President? The VP Candidate?
Once you're elected President, you decide what's true and what's false.

Well yeah, that's why you're the decider.