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Clinton Shifts Hard Right!

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One thing I have learned, Moonbeam, is that the unconscious is as smart as the conscious. And that sucks, because you can't out-think yourself. If you're not willing to see something, you won't. For me, the most comfortable space for myself and others is one where I'm autopilot, and I can do just fine on autopilot, but I'm become more and more resentful of that as time passes.

Thanks for the reminder that there are no shortcuts.

Truth is a state of consciousness, I believe, one in which opposites are integrated. This I believe is a typical example:

We have an unconscious to protect us from and endless experience of pain, the repression of traumatic events we simply wouldn't have been able to survive had we not repressed them. We survived therefore by denying our real selves, what we really felt, in order to conform to the whims of our torturers, those who worked so hard to save us from the damage that we would have gotten in the world if we were different. We were taught to hate the abnormal, the other, and to forget where we learned that was how we were seen, what our true selves looked like to authority.

Thus, our real truth is that we believe in lies, what we really feel, what is in the unconscious is the truth of what we feel, but what was never actually true.

This is the catch 22 we are in, terrified to feel what we really feel because it is what we really believe is true about us, but which if we felt it back to its origin we would see was a lie. We lie about what we feel is the truth about us, that we are worthless, but in fact we never were and we would know it if we could allow ourselves to feel it. We are in a capsized boat and we have to dive down to go up.

I am a nobody but I have opened the door wide enough to have felt some of my old pain. I do not know the full story, but I view the frustration you speak of as a kind of fear that my self hate manufactures to torture me. Long before I began to learn the kinds of things I am talking about here, I had made some discoveries down another road. I suffered a deep depression as a result of the loss of my religious faith, one so deep I knew I would never be happy again. I happened to discover information about Zen. The long and the short of that was that I got an insight into a fundamental belief that I held which I hadn't realized I did, that to be happy, life had to have meaning, the very thing I had lost. And it was in the exploration of why I suffered and these Zen folk didn't, although they seem to see the world as I did, that I experienced a transformation in consciousness that changed everything. In just the span of an instant a shift in my consciousness took place that transformed my state of black hopelessness into a state of peace. I saw that the need for meaning is as meaningless as everything else. I would say that what I experienced could be called the grace of surrender but I don't really know what it was. Whatever it was however, it left me with a kind of inner piece. Sweet surrender, I highly recommend it.

Somebody asked a Zen master what he regretted most. What I regret most is nothing, he replied.

Another wrote on the death of his son, This little dew drop world, it may be only a dew drop, and yet, and yet.

Another teacher said, I consider him a man only, who can care for the wolf and the sheep entrusted to his company.
 
No of course not, but just like in the case of Catholic preist pedophilia, we can't turn a blind eye to a very real problem either. I get the slippery slope in regards to religion and civil rights, but like I said earlier when a subset of a certain group has a real and very dangerous problem it doesn't do anyone any good to pretend it doesn't exist. There was a cultural problem with the Catholic Church that enambled heinous acts to take place, the Islamic community is suffering the same thing (different issue, different victims, but a very real problem).

The best we can do in either case is work with those communities to insure the problems are addressed (whether they want to or not), but at no point try to turn the spotlight away from it.

Your analogy doesn't work. The Catholic Church is a unified organization and the priests are directly answerable to its leadership hierarchy. Islam is not, and the Muslims committing these acts are usually laymen.
 
Your analogy doesn't work. The Catholic Church is a unified organization and the priests are directly answerable to its leadership hierarchy. Islam is not, and the Muslims committing these acts are usually laymen.


Islam itself is not but certainly individuals follow the beliefs and practices of certain groups, denominations, what have you within. Same as Christianity and subsequently in that Catholics.
 
Your analogy doesn't work. The Catholic Church is a unified organization and the priests are directly answerable to its leadership hierarchy. Islam is not, and the Muslims committing these acts are usually laymen.
Tidy little leftist world view you've got there, mate, where Christianity is responsible for all its associated ills and Islam gets 1.6 billion passes.
 
Tidy little leftist world view you've got there, mate, where Christianity is responsible for all its associated ills and Islam gets 1.6 billion passes.

Vic's point is valid. Islam isn't a top down organization like the Catholic Church. There is no central authority or leadership among Sunni, nobody to put everybody together on the same page wrt scripture.

While the Pope is responsible for his Church he's obviously not responsible for Kony's LRA even though they all claim to be Christian.
 
Clinton:
I do not recall
I plead the 5th
All the others did it
I'll answer when the others answers first
It was technically not illegal
Just a right wing smear campaign
You wouldn't ask a man that question
Let me look into that
It wasn't marked as money
Yes, but TRUMP and 9/11!
It's my turn

It's what they offered.

CtR:
Something something source
Just a right wing smear campaign
3 million more votes!
It would be socialist to give the money to those who haven't earned it
Obama
Trump
It's her turn
#GirlIGuessImWithHer
This whole thing is just yet another Trump lie based on nothing.

We don't want your vote anyway.
 
Your analogy doesn't work. The Catholic Church is a unified organization and the priests are directly answerable to its leadership hierarchy. Islam is not, and the Muslims committing these acts are usually laymen.
Muslims who commit violence are doing so because of the commands given to them by their leader, who happened to be a barbarous maniac.

The Catholic priests who committed these unspeakable acts did so in direct contradiction to the tenets of their faith. The leadership tried to cover it up which is probably about as bad as the acts themselves were.
 
Muslims who commit violence are doing so because of the commands given to them by their leader, who happened to be a barbarous maniac.

The Catholic priests who committed these unspeakable acts did so in direct contradiction to the tenets of their faith. The leadership tried to cover it up which is probably about as bad as the acts themselves were.

Even the Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
 
Everything in the leftist viewpoint boils down to white guilt over slavery.
My ancestors never owned slaves, so kindly fuck off.
Let me put this in a way you might be able to understand. If the Westboro Baptist Church committed an act of terrorism, would you blame all of Christianity for it? No, that would be ridiculous, right?
 
If the Westboro Baptist Church committed an act of terrorism, would you blame all of Christianity for it? No, that would be ridiculous, right?
There is no general command to kill anybody in the bible. There are commands, given by a barbarian, to kill unbelievers in the Koran.
 
God did tell the Israelites to kill certain people at certain times but this isn't a general command like we find in the Koran.
 
The burden of proof always lies with the party making the assertion, and never with the one that calls bullshit.
You're the one saying there is an equivalence between Islam and Christianity with your Westboro analogy. I'm calling you on your comparison.
 
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