Clinton Gains on Giuliani, Thompson; Now Leads Both by Six

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Once again, Harvey, you are asserting that we should take the word of a disgraced crook verbatim.

No, I'm taking Thompson's word that he shredded his legal ethics as an attorney for the Republicans on the committee. by informing Nixon's counsel about what was going on in the Wategate Committee behind closed doors.

Not all would put a heroic sheen on Thompson's Watergate role

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | July 4, 2007

WASHINGTON -- The day before Senate Watergate Committee minority counsel Fred Thompson made the inquiry that launched him into the national spotlight -- asking an aide to President Nixon whether there was a White House taping system -- he telephoned Nixon's lawyer.

Thompson tipped off the White House that the committee knew about the taping system and would be making the information public. In his all-but-forgotten Watergate memoir, "At That Point in Time," Thompson said he acted with "no authority" in divulging the committee's knowledge of the tapes, which provided the evidence that led to Nixon's resignation. It was one of many Thompson leaks to the Nixon team, according to a former investigator for Democrats on the committee, Scott Armstrong , who remains upset at Thompson's actions.

"Thompson was a mole for the White House," Armstrong said in an interview. "Fred was working hammer and tong to defeat the investigation of finding out what happened to authorize Watergate and find out what the role of the president was."

Nixon's thoughts about Thompson are hardly relevant to what we're discussing now.

Nixon was evil and guilty as hell, but he wasn't stupid. Bush is dumber than a rock and even more evil for it. Thompson strikes me as somewhere in between. He's nobody's rocket scientist, but he's not as genuinely stupid as Bushwhacko.

And you're right. It doesn't relate much to this discussion, other than finding it interesting to know what Nixon thought of Thompson.

PS you really should change your macro. :laugh:

P.S. You really should get over your apparent lack of awareness of just how much of a catastrophy of evil the Bushwhackos have been for this nation. 🙁

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Harvey
Thompson should stick to acting. At least on TV, his fictional character actually tries to uphold Law and Order. Obviously, he can't be trusted to do as much in the real world. Of course, neither could Richard Nixon, and neither can George Bush. :roll:

Once again, Harvey, you are asserting that we should take the word of a disgraced crook verbatim. Nixon's thoughts about Thompson are hardly relevant to what we're discussing now.

PS you really should change your macro. :laugh:

was thinking the same thing. so to summarize, all the left can come up with about Fred Thompson:

1) he was a mole
2) Nixon called him dumb

:laugh:

Heh, if religious right didn't mind bush, guess having another dumb president in the White House won't concern them too much too....

 

[Lemon law]

To a certain extent the rchiu summation of Thompson ---was thinking the same thing. so to summarize, all the left can come up with about Fred Thompson:

1) he was a mole
2) Nixon called him dumb

I certainly think the judgment of the watergate history of Fred Thompson has to be somewhat more complex and bitter sweet when we examine the motives. Maybe the word to add to a mole and dumb might be naive. Because while Fred was willing to be an unprincipled mole, a planted spy in the enemy camp, Fred had a gut belief that Nixon was innocent and saw the taping system that he had knowledge of as the way prove the innocence of Richard Nixon.

And when Thompson became the very agent provocateur that caused the taping system to be outed, he became Nixon's downfall. Smart or dumb may be an opinion based on what side at given person was on, but I very much wonder how Thompson has handled the inner struggle of crushing disillusionment as he discovered Nixon was far less than the noble figure Fred assumed him to be. And what Thompson subsequently learned from it.

Somehow I doubt that we will ever be really privy to Fred's actual thinking while he is alive, but its almost certain that Fred may have to field questions about the mole, dumb, and naive, in any general election if he gets the Republican nomination. Like it or not, people who have the fate to change history by accident when young, seem to have a certain staying power later.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'm not saying he isn't a true Conservative he just doesn't stand a chance of winning.

I happen to think he'd wipe the floor with the Hildabeast.

Even if that were true your party would first have to nominate him and it seems he's not polling to well with them. Looks like it's going to be 9-11 vs Hildabeast. Lets just hope that which ever one wins they won't fuck our country over like the current asshole has done over the last 7 years.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Even if that were true your party would first have to nominate him and it seems he's not polling to well with them. Looks like it's going to be 9-11 vs Hildabeast. Lets just hope that which ever one wins they won't fuck our country over like the current asshole has done over the last 7 years.

Which one will air more TV ads with them walking around in nurse masks? :laugh:

If your prediction is true we're all fucked.

 

[Lemon law]

Was watching This Week an hour or so ago, as the talking heads were discussing Fred's poll number descent from a solid contender to a 6'th place also ran.
IMHO, Cokie Roberts had the best sound btye with Fred Thompson is not running for President he is trying to stroll or words to that effect.

With all due respect to some Thompson supporters here who clearly want Thompson to be President, I think if Thompson showed he wanted to be President
with even half the fervor some of his fans have, Fred would probably be polling stronger.

 

[theeedude]

Yeah, we are all fvcked if Clinton gets elected. It will be like the 90s all over again. Country doing great, peace and prosperity, but lots of pissed off Republicans.
God save us.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Thompson espouses a belief in less government. That at least puts him ahead of Romney and Giuliani in my view. If such a view is popular or not is another story.

If he is sincere or not also remains to be seen.

So has ever single Republican to run for any post above country sheriff in the last 50 years. And yet every single one of them says "oh, I was just kidding about small government" about 5 minutes after being elected. And yet Republican voters still keep voting for these idiots because Republicans think the candidates believe in small government. It's pretty astonishing that this crap keeps working with Republicans, it's like an abused girl going back to her boyfriend time and time again thinking "well THIS time he means it when he says he's changed".

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Jeez...do you even know what the hell a classic conservative is?

Yes. Do you?

I swear....no wonder people have such low opinions of Republicans with people like you running around as a mouthpiece for the party.

No, the "low opinions" comes from Republicans abandoning their principles. The ones I know support less government, less interference in our daily lives, and FISCAL CONSERVATISM. These are now far and few between.

Fred is the closest "classic" conservative out there who has a chance in hell of being elected. If you really believe Paul could pass the muster you are the delusional mouthpiece.

Yeah, I'll have to remember that next time you guys are advocating tax cuts without decreasing spending and suggesting that the real role of government is to make sure everyone is having the appropriate kind of sex. :roll:

"Classic" conservativeness sure seems more popular than ever these days, but mostly it seems like the way people would LIKE to see themselves. I don't know how you guys can claim with a straight face that ANY of you believe in those ideals any more. The only "classic" conservatives any more want nothing to do with the Republican party, and they sure as hell don't claim the title of "conservative"...most of them seem to have drifted into the libertarian (small 'L') camp. I have NEVER met someone who called themselves a Republican who I'd consider a "classic" conservative.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, we are all fvcked if Clinton gets elected. It will be like the 90s all over again. Country doing great, peace and prosperity, but lots of pissed off Republicans.
God save us.

Yeah, as long as the guy in the White House talk about God all the time, God is gonna save us. Who cares if he keeps on borrowing and spending money without restrain, who cares if he starts war and have hundreds of thousand ppl killed with no good reasons. As long as those people have "faith", they can do anything and God is gonna help them.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.

Very. I feel some of the shame by proxy, for simply living here, but I can still mostly shed ownership by virtue of not being a citizen.

Canada's worst PM in recent times has been Brian Mulrooney. I think he's still alive. I think he should run in the US.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Was watching This Week an hour or so ago, as the talking heads were discussing Fred's poll number descent from a solid contender to a 6'th place also ran.
IMHO, Cokie Roberts had the best sound btye with Fred Thompson is not running for President he is trying to stroll or words to that effect.

With all due respect to some Thompson supporters here who clearly want Thompson to be President, I think if Thompson showed he wanted to be President
with even half the fervor some of his fans have, Fred would probably be polling stronger.

I agree. He's got the charisma and personality of a box of rocks. I like what he stands for though. And he is by far the most consistant in voting record vs speeches of any candidate. But personality is very important as prez, so for that reason I dont like him for prez.