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Clinton Gains on Giuliani, Thompson; Now Leads Both by Six

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http://rasmussenreports.com/pu...n_vs_giuliani_thompson

After a recent tightening of her match-ups with two leading GOP contenders, Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton now enjoys a modest advantage over each. Clinton leads former Mayor Rudy Giuliani 48% to 42% in the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Election 2008 (see crosstabs).

The former First Lady leads former Senator Fred Thompson 48% to 42% as well.

Senator Clinton trailed Giuliani by a couple points in the previous Rasmussen Reports election poll of this race.
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So much for debate performance hurting her 😀
Also, since Rudy and Fred are both equally electable (or not) against Hillary, are Republicans still going to pick Rudy?
 
The real winner may be Fred. He still has 17% with "no opinion" either way about him. The others, you either like them or not.

I trust Rasmussen and will certainly keep an eye on the numbers 😉
 
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
 
I like Hillary, she is a serious candidate with a serious agenda. You are right about Giuliani being a clown though.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
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Thompson is a true conservative. Underneath all the nonsense about him being too old and lazy and monotonous lies a voting record of consistent conservatism. He's also just about as socially conservative as you could get. Giuliani is way too liberal on social issues, Romney will never make it with his flip-flops on abortion (and the Mormon thing), and Paul doesn't stand a chance. Huckabee is making a few flaps (esp here in Iowa) but I don't see him getting anywhere.

Now, to you Red, or anyone else who implies that Fred isn't a true conservative, what do you base this on? And particularly when looking in comparison at the other top-tier candidates?
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
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Thompson is a true conservative. Underneath all the nonsense about him being too old and lazy and monotonous lies a voting record of consistent conservatism. He's also just about as socially conservative as you could get. Giuliani is way too liberal on social issues, Romney will never make it with his flip-flops on abortion (and the Mormon thing), and Paul doesn't stand a chance. Huckabee is making a few flaps (esp here in Iowa) but I don't see him getting anywhere.

Now, to you Red, or anyone else who implies that Fred isn't a true conservative, what do you base this on? And particularly when looking in comparison at the other top-tier candidates?
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Thompson is a new-age conservative. Which seems to be the popular bent these days, but I'd never call him a "true" conservative. He's like Ronald Reagan without the charisma, and Reagan was the worst thing to happen to conservative views in a long time.
 
Earth to Pabster, earth to Pabster, the mere things that make you so attracted to Thompson as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, gains Thompson one vote while he loses two from a more mainstream American public now very unhappy with GWB.

Your Giuliani is way too liberal on social issues is precisely why he leads even the GOP field. While America looks for solid moderate leadership you seem to be clueless on how badly the GOP has lost public support. The GOP can't run further to the right and expect to win the general election.

The GOP has plenty of moderates that could be competitive. Many were hoping Hagel would run. But now it looks like Giuliani with all his warts and flaws is the GOP's best Presidential hope. I am quite frankly disappointed that the GOP could not come up with a better moderate. Being a phony with a Bernie Kerik monkey on his back may very
well finish the Giuliani candidacy off. And there are some doubts in my mind that Rudy can carry the Republican New York State primary.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
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Thompson is a true conservative. Underneath all the nonsense about him being too old and lazy and monotonous lies a voting record of consistent conservatism. He's also just about as socially conservative as you could get. Giuliani is way too liberal on social issues, Romney will never make it with his flip-flops on abortion (and the Mormon thing), and Paul doesn't stand a chance. Huckabee is making a few flaps (esp here in Iowa) but I don't see him getting anywhere.

Now, to you Red, or anyone else who implies that Fred isn't a true conservative, what do you base this on? And particularly when looking in comparison at the other top-tier candidates?
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I'm not saying he isn't a true Conservative he just doesn't stand a chance of winning.
 
A certain case could be made that GWB&co. neocons have hijacked the Republican party. And a true conservative republican could also denounce the foolishness of having a spend spend spend and then borrowing instead of taxing as likewise stupidity. And in the process have to take a stand against the policies of GWB and Ronald Reagan who have among those two piled up the most debt in American history.

A true GOP conservative could maybe sell that message to the American people who are tired of wars of foreign adventure, tired of seeing our grandchildrens future mortgaged, and want to see investments in America made.

Sadly, Thompson is not a true GOP conservative willing to tell the truth about where this country has gone wrong. Maybe Ron Paul comes closer, but Thompson lacks the guts, intellect, and the vision.
 
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Hillary, she is a serious candidate with a serious agenda.
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thanks for the laugh 🙂
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Did you read her agenda? She is the only one not pandering to the base of her party and pragmatically approaching all the issues. That is a serious candidate for you. The other candidates are still trying to impress their bases and moving to the left like Edwards and Obama or to the right like Rudy and Thompson, but Hillary is already claiming the middle ground that will help her win in 2008. That is some serious pragmatic strategy right there.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
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Maybe if we can keep it up with these brilliant choices we'll pretty soon see the last of Presidential elections as we swirl down the tubes.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: senseamp
I like Hillary, she is a serious candidate with a serious agenda.
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thanks for the laugh 🙂
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Did you read her agenda? She is the only one not pandering to the base of her party and pragmatically approaching all the issues. That is a serious candidate for you. The other candidates are still trying to impress their bases and moving to the left like Edwards and Obama or to the right like Rudy and Thompson, but Hillary is already claiming the middle ground that will help her win in 2008. That is some serious pragmatic strategy right there.
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Nothing wrong with 'pandering to your base' when it's a very broad-based group of the population, and you're not doing wrong to do it.

It's the candidates who pander to smaller groups of wealthy/powerful at the expense of others who are the problem.

I say that without regard to party, in theory, though for practical purposes the modern republicans are bought and paid for; for example, Teddy Roosevelt's domestic policies.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
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Thompson is a true conservative. Underneath all the nonsense about him being too old and lazy and monotonous lies a voting record of consistent conservatism. He's also just about as socially conservative as you could get. Giuliani is way too liberal on social issues, Romney will never make it with his flip-flops on abortion (and the Mormon thing), and Paul doesn't stand a chance. Huckabee is making a few flaps (esp here in Iowa) but I don't see him getting anywhere.

Now, to you Red, or anyone else who implies that Fred isn't a true conservative, what do you base this on? And particularly when looking in comparison at the other top-tier candidates?
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You were dropped on your head a lot as a child weren't you?

The closest thing to a true conservative running right now is Ron Paul.

No this isn't a Ron Paul spam thread....he is just the only one putting forth old fashioned conservative ideas and beliefs.

Jeez...do you even know what the hell a classic conservative is?

I swear....no wonder people have such low opinions of Republicans with people like you running around as a mouthpiece for the party.
 
Thompson espouses a belief in less government. That at least puts him ahead of Romney and Giuliani in my view. If such a view is popular or not is another story.

If he is sincere or not also remains to be seen.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Jeez...do you even know what the hell a classic conservative is?
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Yes. Do you?

I swear....no wonder people have such low opinions of Republicans with people like you running around as a mouthpiece for the party.
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No, the "low opinions" comes from Republicans abandoning their principles. The ones I know support less government, less interference in our daily lives, and FISCAL CONSERVATISM. These are now far and few between.

Fred is the closest "classic" conservative out there who has a chance in hell of being elected. If you really believe Paul could pass the muster you are the delusional mouthpiece.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Man how fucked are we as Americans if those clowns are the only viable Candidates that have a chance of getting elected😀isgust; I really feel for the true Conservatives if they are placing their hopes on Thompson.
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Thompson is a true conservative. Underneath all the nonsense about him being too old and lazy and monotonous lies a voting record of consistent conservatism. He's also just about as socially conservative as you could get.
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Now, to you Red, or anyone else who implies that Fred isn't a true conservative, what do you base this on? And particularly when looking in comparison at the other top-tier candidates?
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Fred Thompson's an ethical turd whose judgment and choices are as bad as Giuliani's associations with Bernard Kerick. In 1973, when he was an official attorney for the Republicans on the Senate Watergate committee, he was a Richard Nixon's mole in the committee who alerted Nixon's attorneys that they would be asked about the famous Whitehouse taping system that eventually brought Nixon down. Even though he was Nixon's mole, Nixon thought Fred Thomspon was "dumb as hell".

Thompson should stick to acting. At least on TV, his fictional character actually tries to uphold Law and Order. Obviously, he can't be trusted to do as much in the real world. Of course, neither could Richard Nixon, and neither can George Bush. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Thompson should stick to acting. At least on TV, his fictional character actually tries to uphold Law and Order. Obviously, he can't be trusted to do as much in the real world. Of course, neither could Richard Nixon, and neither can George Bush. :roll:
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Once again, Harvey, you are asserting that we should take the word of a disgraced crook verbatim. Nixon's thoughts about Thompson are hardly relevant to what we're discussing now.

PS you really should change your macro. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Harvey
Thompson should stick to acting. At least on TV, his fictional character actually tries to uphold Law and Order. Obviously, he can't be trusted to do as much in the real world. Of course, neither could Richard Nixon, and neither can George Bush. :roll:
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Once again, Harvey, you are asserting that we should take the word of a disgraced crook verbatim. Nixon's thoughts about Thompson are hardly relevant to what we're discussing now.

PS you really should change your macro. :laugh:
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was thinking the same thing. so to summarize, all the left can come up with about Fred Thompson:

1) he was a mole
2) Nixon called him dumb

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'm not saying he isn't a true Conservative he just doesn't stand a chance of winning.
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I happen to think he'd wipe the floor with the Hildabeast.

Once it is just Fred and Hillary sitting across the table, and they are forced to take a stand on various issues, I think it would be game over for her. The differences between Fred and her are so stark, so apparent, even a sheeple can comprehend it. Giuliani would actually agree with her on most of the social issues, and Romney is, well, as I said earlier, going nowhere.
 
As Pabster finally cuts to the chase with---I happen to think he'd wipe the floor with the Hildabeast.

You will finally get no argument from anyone. We all agree that you have every right to your opinion.

Your problem is that existing national polls put your opinion and thinking on one side and the bulk of the American people on the other side of the question.
Making you a distinct minority in what amounts to majority wins elections.

Principled arguments might advance your position, but spamming these forums with the volume of crud you posted as OP today will hurt your position.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Principled arguments might advance your position, but spamming these forums with the volume of crud you posted as OP today will hurt your position.
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Spamming? You must have me confused with the Paul nuts. :laugh:

I know you dislike any articles that are unkind towards your heroes, but such is life.
 
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