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Clinton did it again....

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Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
It's always like this... NK snatches American citizens regardless of if they were in NK or not. After that, an envoy comes from the US, negotiate, and they're released. This happens to Japanese citizens, and SK citizens. They just want to show they can do it, and probably show their own people they have the ability to hold outsiders hostages, and also show compassion. Friggin horseshit.
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Well the last time a former US President went over there to meet with the NK leader (Kim Il sung) he bought the rice paddy less than 6 months later. Here's to hoping we can keep that tradition alive.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I wonder at what cost
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Our respect as a nation.
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The article doesn't go into enough detail to be able to come to that conclusion. Note the language from NK:

"Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.

"The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."

The report said Clinton then conveyed a message from U.S. President Obama "expressing profound thanks for this and reflecting views on ways of improving the relations between the two countries."

It added, "The measure taken to release the American journalists is a manifestation of the DPRK's humanitarian and peace-loving policy.

"The DPRK visit of Clinton and his party will contribute to deepening the understanding between the DPRK and the U.S. and building the bilateral confidence."
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We don't know at this point what NK got in exchange for the two, but whatever it was they're clearly happy about it.
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I wonder at what cost
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Our respect as a nation.
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How does that work exactly? 😕
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Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
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Yes, yes, I see, and THIS... THIS here, THIS is what is going to make no other nation respect us. Got it.
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
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What do we do when someone comes into our country illegally and is caught?
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
It's always like this... NK snatches American citizens regardless of if they were in NK or not. After that, an envoy comes from the US, negotiate, and they're released. This happens to Japanese citizens, and SK citizens. They just want to show they can do it, and probably show their own people they have the ability to hold outsiders hostages, and also show compassion. Friggin horseshit.
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Meanwhile the world rewards this behavior by not blowing them to kingdom come.
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Seriously, do you hold a gun in one hand and a bible in the other?
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I wonder at what cost
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Our respect as a nation.
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How does that work exactly? 😕
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Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
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You're right. I think we would earn the respect of the international community by tacitly approving of North Korea's gulags and writing off our own citizens because they "deserve it." Surely it's more important to respect the sovereignty of even a bastard state such as North Korea than it is to fight for our own citizens?
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I wonder at what cost
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Our respect as a nation.
Click to expand...

How does that work exactly? 😕
Click to expand...

Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
Click to expand...

You're right. I think we would earn the respect of the international community by tacitly approving of North Korea's gulags and writing off our own citizens because they "deserve it." Surely it's more important to respect the sovereignty of even a bastard state such as North Korea than it is to fight for our own citizens?
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You freaking hippies just don't understand world politics. Get a job!
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I wonder at what cost
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Our respect as a nation.
Click to expand...

How does that work exactly? 😕
Click to expand...

Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
Click to expand...

You're right. I think we would earn the respect of the international community by tacitly approving of North Korea's gulags and writing off our own citizens because they "deserve it." Surely it's more important to respect the sovereignty of even a bastard state such as North Korea than it is to fight for our own citizens?
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only scumbags w/ no value for human life would condemn americans to spend their days in a NK prison
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
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What do we do when someone comes into our country illegally and is caught?
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We deport them right?
 
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
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What do we do when someone comes into our country illegally and is caught?
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We deport them right?
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or give them jobs at Walmart.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: Modelworks
The last time they got a deal with Carter they got nuclear tech. Hope Clinton gave them a lot less.
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link or shens
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Read your history book. Carter gave them reactor tech that was designed for power generation if they promised to stop reactor development on ones that could produce weapons grade material.
 
make fun of Bill Clinton all you want i still think he's the president in my lifetime. yes better than Reagan.

i wonder if they could've sent Governator in there to scare the living shit out of Kim
 
Bill was upset when he got into Pyongyang, because he thought they'd asked him if like to get into some poontang....

/ba-dum-bump...
 
Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
It's always like this... NK snatches American citizens regardless of if they were in NK or not. After that, an envoy comes from the US, negotiate, and they're released. This happens to Japanese citizens, and SK citizens. They just want to show they can do it, and probably show their own people they have the ability to hold outsiders hostages, and also show compassion. Friggin horseshit.
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Tell me about. Last week, I was driving through Beaverton, OR, and I got stopped at a traffic light. Damned if I wasn't nearly snatched by North Koreans. Fortunately the light changed just before they reached my car, but let me tell you, it was pretty dicey for a second there.
 
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Tell me about it. Last week, I was driving through Beaverton, OR, and I got stopped at a traffic light. Damned if I wasn't nearly snatched by North Koreans. Fortunately the light changed just before they reached my car, but let me tell you, it was pretty dicey for a second there.
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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
You freaking hippies just don't understand world politics. Get a job!
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Proof that ATOT is more fun than P&N.
 
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Hmm, 2 Americans break another country's laws. We go there and say "Sorry can we have our people back. We don't think they should be held accountable for their actions."
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What do we do when someone comes into our country illegally and is caught?
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offer them a job and free health care?
 
So basically he went there and grovelled until to the Honorable Kim Jong-Il benevolently released the prisoners.

That's how the North Korean people are going to see it. We lose a little more power abroad.
 
Anyone who is surprised by this or impressed with Clinton's "negotiating" abilities is an idiot. Nothing against Clinton, but he was just a representative for Obama, sent to be the face of the U.S. He didn't do any real negotiating or make any decisions. He just told NK what we would give them and they said ok.

From the beginning, it was obvious that NK grabbed these people to use as leverage to get some kind of concessions. There was never any doubt that they would be released.
 
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