Climate change

[nickqt]

That video is obnoxiously pedantic and abstract. I suppose it goes somewhere but 10 minutes into its 63 minute run it hasn't advanced beyond dicing up abstractions with no conclusions on the horizon. Only a university environment would give rise to such a mockery of human intelligence.

The only reason you "believe" in climate change is because of university environments that give rise to analytical intelligence that can even point out the relevant data.

But hey, grief is rough and you seem to be at the bargaining or maybe depression stage.

The only way out is through, friend.

 

[Muse]

The only reason you "believe" in climate change is because of university environments that give rise to analytical intelligence that can even point out the relevant data.

But hey, grief is rough and you seem to be at the bargaining or maybe depression stage.

The only way out is through, friend.

That's disrespectful.

I understand grief, I had that with my brother's death. But I don't think I'm grieving for the environment. I'm a soldier in the war against its deterioration. I have no time for unproductive emotions.

I have taken it seriously since An Inconvenient Truth. I have a science background and I've been paying attention. It's not a question of doubt. I have no doubts about it. My carbon footprint is pretty much only less for homeless people or maybe someone incarcerated.

 

[nickqt]

That's disrespectful.

I understand grief, I had that with my brother's death. But I don't think I'm grieving for the environment. I'm a soldier in the war against it. I have no time for unproductive emotions.

I have taken it seriously since An Inconvenient Truth. I have a science background and I've been paying attention. It's not a question of doubt. I have no doubts about it. My carbon footprint is pretty much only less for homeless people or maybe someone incarcerated.

I didn't say anything disrespectful. I am just labeling what you said about the lecture I linked to, as bargaining, or maybe depression, in the stages of grief.

Very few people aren't grieving for the collapse of society.

The confusing part for most people is that they don't know that society is already in collapse and the confusion and anger and emotions they are feeling are in fact just stages of grief for a society that has killed itself.

Collapse doesn't necessarily mean we go from self-driving cars and internet to burning wood for heat in the span of a year or even a decade.

But to be clear, things are never going to be better than they are right now, and I think most people understand that deep down and just don't recognize it for what it is.

If you found the youtube lecture I linked to be "obnoxiously pedantic", here's a shorter one that boils it all down real quick, and there's a fun cartoon to go with it. I've linked to it before.

 

[sandorski]

I didn't say anything disrespectful. I am just labeling what you said about the lecture I linked to, as bargaining, or maybe depression, in the stages of grief.

Very few people aren't grieving for the collapse of society.

The confusing part for most people is that they don't know that society is already in collapse and the confusion and anger and emotions they are feeling are in fact just stages of grief for a society that has killed itself.

Collapse doesn't necessarily mean we go from self-driving cars and internet to burning wood for heat in the span of a year or even a decade.

But to be clear, things are never going to be better than they are right now, and I think most people understand that deep down and just don't recognize it for what it is.

If you found the youtube lecture I linked to be "obnoxiously pedantic", here's a shorter one that boils it all down real quick, and there's a fun cartoon to go with it. I've linked to it before.

The health of societies ebb and flow. If it's not dead, there's still hope.

 

[hal2kilo]

Climate change is just one of the symptoms of societal collapse that is ongoing around us.

Societal collapse is recognized by almost anyone paying attention, it's just that most can't actually get the acceptance stage of it, and they latch onto small, specific problems and miss the big picture.

There are plenty of lectures and podcasts that go over all of it. There are plenty of papers, book, and videos published.

Here's a good one that I think summarizes a lot of it without getting too deep into individual issues that are all occurring, right now.

Feel free to believe that everything is going to just keep going like it has the past 200 years. The last 200 years were a complete aberration. We dug up almost all of the readily available resources, burned them as fast as possible so that rich people could become immeasurably rich, and we're all left holding the receipt and getting pissed about line items on that receipt.

All of the real resources are almost all gone, what's left is getting hoarded by the people with the artificially created money of the last 100 years of financialization of limited resources, and most people are too nearsighted to see what is hiding behind that receipt.

Anyway, for anyone who actually gives the link a watch, you're welcome! Enjoy the end of the world, because it's your only real option.

There's no question of the connections.

8 Ancient Civilizations That Were Destroyed by Climate Change

Climate change is not a uniquely modern threat. From the Ancestral Puebloans to the Mayans, many ancient civilizations crumbled due to climate change.

www.treehugger.com

Climate change and the rise and fall of civilizations – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Shifts in climate – both large and small – are at least partly responsible for the rise and fall of many ancient civilizations. Could today's climate change threaten our modern way of life? NASA satellites are helping to uncover secrets of the past, with an eye to the future.

climate.nasa.gov

 

[MtnMan]

How humans deal with climate change:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/world/meteorologists-conspiracy-harassment-abuse-climate-intl

To be honest we get what we deserved. Just look at our screwed up supreme court and i won't even get into the fucked up republicans. Mind you climate change is the sort of issue where we would have to go full out for 30-40 years just to start seeing the benefits. Don't expect diddly to be accomplished - and quite frankly humans as a species get what they deserved. Sadly all life will suffer the same.

We are being held hostage by the stupid! The topic really doesn't matter, loud and stupid and loud have way too much power.

Example, one stupid, but loud bitch, who is a poorly educated fucking nobody, can get a book banned in a whole school system, because she saw the word communism in a poem.

Why didn't someone with an IQ above room temperature simply tell her to fuck off?

 

[you2]

We are being held hostage by the stupid! The topic really doesn't matter, loud and stupid and loud have way too much power.

Example, one stupid, but loud bitch, who is a poorly educated fucking nobody, can get a book banned in a whole school system, because she saw the word communism in a poem.

Why didn't someone with an IQ above room temperature simply tell her to fuck off?

It is problematic when the stupid is the majority; unless of course you want to start a world wide dictatorship.

 

[MtnMan]

It is problematic when the stupid is the majority; unless of course you want to start a world wide dictatorship.

They are not the majority, just fucking loud and aggressive.

 

[you2]

They are not the majority, just fucking loud and aggressive.

There is when you are trying to establish a world wide policy (that will work) to deal with climate change.

 

[Muse]

There is when you are trying to establish a world wide policy (that will work) to deal with climate change.

We don't have a choice. We deal with it. Either effectively or ineffectively. If we ignore it, we sow the seeds for our destruction, one that won't be pretty at all.

 

[you2]

We don't have a choice. We deal with it. Either effectively or ineffectively. If we ignore it, we sow the seeds for our destruction, one that won't be pretty at all.

Well i would argue we either deal with it effectively or we have effectively ignored it.

 

[Muse]

Well i would argue we either deal with it effectively or we have effectively ignored it.

Or one might say it does not matter what anyone says about it, it's what we do that matters.