Climate change

[you2]

How humans deal with climate change:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/world/meteorologists-conspiracy-harassment-abuse-climate-intl

To be honest we get what we deserved. Just look at our screwed up supreme court and i won't even get into the fucked up republicans. Mind you climate change is the sort of issue where we would have to go full out for 30-40 years just to start seeing the benefits. Don't expect diddly to be accomplished - and quite frankly humans as a species get what they deserved. Sadly all life will suffer the same.

 

[soulcougher73]

The sooner the earth can purge us, the better off it will be.

 

[Jaskalas]

@you2
Adding a bit of the article helps provide context at a glance for those who'd like to partake.

‘Murderers’ and ‘criminals’: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists​

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Basically, the issue of Global Warming has always been politicized. And American politics has gone off the rails from un-civil discourse, to outright threats of violence riddled with insane conspiracy BS. We're all just waiting for the first shots to be fired over, basically, any issue that is out there. "Climate Change" is a big one, because to address the problem would require nothing less than the complete reorganization of our energy use and production. A Massive undertaking, and so it is no surprise that it gets wrapped up in the forefront of our looming violence.

What do they call it? The Great Reset. Nutters like Beck shout that Democrats are "coming right at us!" Southpark style. Imagine Alex Jones, but worse. Because instead of slandering and abusing victims of violence, actual MAGA and Q talking heads are screaming that we're all gonna be enslaved and they need to stand up and "do something" about it. They are doing their damned best to incite and outright cause political violence. Preachers for terrorism against Americans here at home.

And we sit idly by and just let them keep screaming, day after day. Until people finally snap. Sadly, it could easily be these meteorologists on TV who suffer the ire of these terrorists first. I imagine after a while they'll learn the censor themselves to try and keep safe. Or at least safer... only time will tell if it is enough to simply cower.

 

[Moonbeam]

People have been conditioned to hate themselves and the only way to survive that condition as children was to pretend, to convert, and to assimilate. We make up stories like Star Trek's Borg because it corresponds to a real psychological condition. We created a fictitious self we call the ego, an outstanding and praiseworthy individual and set as our goal the burnishing of that image by the acquisition of things, that desired by other lesser human beings as marks of our worthiness.

A reset of the system would topple the established apple cart and threaten a reality check. Without our 'things' we might again feel that deeply buried and profoundly denied feeling of worthlessness toward the self we were warned never to be.

The problem of coming to conscious awareness of the plight this creates in regard to our seeking of safety in world domination, is that we would rather tempt death as a species in preference to awakening.

We will awaken or go extinct. The only hope I can see is that the undeniable obviousness of the extinction we face will be sufficient and timely enough to do something to avert that fate. To me that suggests that things will get a lot worse before they get better.

Do you see that it is self hate is the cause of the unconscious death wish that is driving us to extinction, that we create what we fear? I have been saying that for over 20 years here on this forum. Perhaps you can see the problem.

And the irony is there's nothing wrong with anybody, but one you would not have survived had you not bought into it and deeply repressed.

There can be no respecting the planet without real self respect.

 

[hal2kilo]

The sooner the earth can purge us, the better off it will be.

Yep, that's the thing people don't seem to get. The earth will prevail. Us, not so much.

 

[you2]

@you2
Adding a bit of the article helps provide context at a glance for those who'd like to partake.

‘Murderers’ and ‘criminals’: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists​

​

Basically, the issue of Global Warming has always been politicized. And American politics has gone off the rails from un-civil discourse, to outright threats of violence riddled with insane conspiracy BS. We're all just waiting for the first shots to be fired over, basically, any issue that is out there. "Climate Change" is a big one, because to address the problem would require nothing less than the complete reorganization of our energy use and production. A Massive undertaking, and so it is no surprise that it gets wrapped up in the forefront of our looming violence.

What do they call it? The Great Reset. Nutters like Beck shout that Democrats are "coming right at us!" Southpark style. Imagine Alex Jones, but worse. Because instead of slandering and abusing victims of violence, actual MAGA and Q talking heads are screaming that we're all gonna be enslaved and they need to stand up and "do something" about it. They are doing their damned best to incite and outright cause political violence. Preachers for terrorism against Americans here at home.

And we sit idly by and just let them keep screaming, day after day. Until people finally snap. Sadly, it could easily be these meteorologists on TV who suffer the ire of these terrorists first. I imagine after a while they'll learn the censor themselves to try and keep safe. Or at least safer... only time will tell if it is enough to simply cower.

However, this isn't just a US issue; it is world wide; the article talks aobut threats and similar in several countries including England and Spain. The worse part of it is the meteorologists aren't setting policies they are just reporting the facts.

 

[BoomerD]

Yep, that's the thing people don't seem to get. The earth will prevail. Us, not so much.

Unfortunately, at the rate we're going...we'll be the cause of the extinction of many other species before we go...and for a long time afterwards. But, hey...let's not a few little things like clean air, clean water, lower CO2, and stable-ish temps interfere with making money.

 

[Ken g6]

Five stages of grief - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And how they relate to climate change.

1. Denial – The first reaction is denial. In this stage, individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

Yeah, that's happened. I think it's passing for most.

2. Anger – When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"; "Why would this happen?". Some may lash out....

This would be where the people in the OP's article are.

3. Bargaining – The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

I'm here. And it's not unreasonable. We should be able to buy our way out of climate change.

4. Depression – "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon, so what's the point?"

I hear the children are here.

5. Acceptance – "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it; I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, ... or other tragic event.

Nobody here yet but preppers, I think.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Five stages of grief - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And how they relate to climate change.


Yeah, that's happened. I think it's passing for most.


This would be where the people in the OP's article are.


I'm here. And it's not unreasonable. We should be able to buy our way out of climate change.


I hear the children are here.


Nobody here yet but preppers, I think.

I'm in 5. No kids, just taking care of plants an animals within my space and trying to live as efficiently as reasonable while I'm here. Either someone will invent a magical thing to sequester trillions of tons of CO2, or they won't. This won't be solved by policy changes anymore, not at this point.

 

[Jaskalas]

This won't be solved by policy changes anymore, not at this point.

Assuming we were even capable of policy changes... Addressing the issue would slow it down and buy time for both adaptation to new sea levels and new farming locations. It would buy time to develop and deploy sequestration. That likely has value in terms of lives saved. Maybe. I say maybe, because flat out, scientifically, it would help. But there is always the human factor to consider, where even the smallest of stress factors can end society and render it all moot.

Then there's the part where instead of building towards a better future... a lot of humanity's strength and attention right now is devoted towards being Genocidal, or fighting to defend from aggression. With China vowing for more to come. Humans don't even respect each other's right to live. Let alone address Climate Change.

 

[Indus]

It's really simple..

People can survive without a lot of things but they can't survive without 3 things:

1. Oxygen
2. Water
3. Food

There for the land that has access to these 3 things is much more valuable than the land without and climate change as it happens is going to drive people to the land which supports it.

 

[you2]

It's really simple..

People can survive without a lot of things but they can't survive without 3 things:

1. Oxygen
2. Water
3. Food

There for the land that has access to these 3 things is much more valuable than the land without and climate change as it happens is going to drive people to the land which supports it.

I anticipate that American policy won't change until there is mass starvation and the Republican response will be it is the Democrat fault and they should be executed.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think the way this has developed derives from a very simple situation. Accepting climate change means dealing with estimated future costs in a range of uncertainty. That is, it had to be dealt with now or in the past. The deniers don't want to let go of their denial, and they think this is all a trick to make them pay now for future costs which derive from the actions even of people long dead. They don't want to be "responsible" for any of that.

Thus, I conclude that the human race isn't worth a goddam, because it has been unable to act collectively and effectively.

I can't do anything about it. Government COULD do something about it, or could help, but it seems too late now. How we gonna get others to act globally? Would Putin cooperate, given that Russia's major export is fossil fuel? China? India?

I don't think there's any hope.

 

[nickqt]

Climate change is just one of the symptoms of societal collapse that is ongoing around us.

Societal collapse is recognized by almost anyone paying attention, it's just that most can't actually get the acceptance stage of it, and they latch onto small, specific problems and miss the big picture.

There are plenty of lectures and podcasts that go over all of it. There are plenty of papers, book, and videos published.

Here's a good one that I think summarizes a lot of it without getting too deep into individual issues that are all occurring, right now.

Feel free to believe that everything is going to just keep going like it has the past 200 years. The last 200 years were a complete aberration. We dug up almost all of the readily available resources, burned them as fast as possible so that rich people could become immeasurably rich, and we're all left holding the receipt and getting pissed about line items on that receipt.

All of the real resources are almost all gone, what's left is getting hoarded by the people with the artificially created money of the last 100 years of financialization of limited resources, and most people are too nearsighted to see what is hiding behind that receipt.

Anyway, for anyone who actually gives the link a watch, you're welcome! Enjoy the end of the world, because it's your only real option.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

All of the real resources are almost all gone, what's left is getting hoarded by the people with the artificially created money of the last 100 years of financialization of limited resources, and most people are too nearsighted to see what is hiding behind that receipt.

My personal favorite is sending a 5 mile long tube down to the bottom of the ocean to extract a fluid to make bottles out of, because it's slightly cheaper than squeezing it out of sand and rocks, both of each are slightly cheaper than just making said bottles out of glass, a substance that is at least inert and natural.

 

[you2]

All i have to say is we had years to react to this issue and refused to do so - always putting it off to tomorrow. Usually it was the same old story - here is an example from this year in China - the dept of climate change recommended massive reduction in co2 emission and suggested policy to achieve such; the dept of economic development issue and override directive (not sure how the China govt works but i guess one dept has priority over another) that economic development had priority and taking actions on co2 emission would impact such so cancel the entire initiative this year. Of course we know what happened America - seems like only Europe is taking action and even there the bickering is massive - though Russia is helping wean them off of carbon fuels abit slowly.

 

[HomerJS]

All i have to say is we had years to react to this issue and refused to do so - always putting it off to tomorrow. Usually it was the same old story - here is an example from this year in China - the dept of climate change recommended massive reduction in co2 emission and suggested policy to achieve such; the dept of economic development issue and override directive (not sure how the China govt works but i guess one dept has priority over another) that economic development had priority and taking actions on co2 emission would impact such so cancel the entire initiative this year. Of course we know what happened America - seems like only Europe is taking action and even there the bickering is massive - though Russia is helping wean them off of carbon fuels abit slowly.

When you say "we" please be specific.

Here's a good hardball move by Dems. Hey you Republicans that always complain about spending. We are going to end all federal subsidies for flood insurance. People that need it will have to resort to good ole fashion free markets capitalism that you people so admire.

 

[you2]

When you say "we" please be specific.

Here's a good hardball move by Dems. Hey you Republicans that always complain about spending. We are going to end all federal subsidies for flood insurance. People that need it will have to resort to good ole fashion free markets capitalism that you people so admire.

We refer - the human race.

 

[Gardener]

Climate change is an example of the "Tragedy of the Commons" drawn out to global scale. We had a chance to address it in the 1960s and 1970s, but the rise of reactionaries under Thatcher and Reagan, corporate influence (from the petrochemical companies and others), and weaklings on the left who refuse to acknowledge even the concept of human overpopulation killed that debate.

More people = more consumption

 

[iRONic]

I'm glad I'm 64 years old and won't be around to see this shit! I'm sad because my kids and my grandkids might be around to see this shit…

My wife and I have done everything possible to teach them to be self-sufficient.

Meh, it's a shitty thing to think about on this awesome sunny day! We're gonna go relocate some maiden grass to in front of the garage.

 

[you2]

I'm glad I'm 64 years old and won't be around to see this shit! I'm sad because my kids and my grandkids might be around to see this shit…

My wife and I have done everything possible to teach them to be self-sufficient.

Meh, it's a shitty thing to think about on this awesome sunny day! We're gonna go relocate some maiden grass to in front of the garage.

Yea - i'll probably age out before it becomes intolerable; but folks in their 20 and even more so younger folks are going to have it rough. While you can be self sufficient with enough cans of supplies; there will come a time when having crops to can will cease to be a luxury.

 

[iRONic]

Vegan: A very bad hunter.

 

[Muse]

How humans deal with climate change:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/world/meteorologists-conspiracy-harassment-abuse-climate-intl

To be honest we get what we deserved. Just look at our screwed up supreme court and i won't even get into the fucked up republicans. Mind you climate change is the sort of issue where we would have to go full out for 30-40 years just to start seeing the benefits. Don't expect diddly to be accomplished - and quite frankly humans as a species get what they deserved. Sadly all life will suffer the same.

The sooner the earth can purge us, the better off it will be.

If someone blew up the SCOTUS in its current state of roguish decay and outlandish depravity I don't think I'd be terribly upset. It would seem to greatly improve our chances of survival.

 

[Muse]

I'm glad I'm 64 years old and won't be around to see this shit! I'm sad because my kids and my grandkids might be around to see this shit…

My wife and I have done everything possible to teach them to be self-sufficient.

Meh, it's a shitty thing to think about on this awesome sunny day! We're gonna go relocate some maiden grass to in front of the garage.

My 1997 Mazda sedan has less than 35,000 miles on it. And I'm older than you. I skate and bicycle a ton more than I drive.

The kids, man. They aren't stupid and they know the future of the race and the planet is gonna be up to them. They are demonstrating, they will vote. Kick the assholes out of office. Some people are trying and a lot. Newsom gets it. We're trying in California.

 

[Muse]

Climate change is just one of the symptoms of societal collapse that is ongoing around us.

Societal collapse is recognized by almost anyone paying attention, it's just that most can't actually get the acceptance stage of it, and they latch onto small, specific problems and miss the big picture.

There are plenty of lectures and podcasts that go over all of it. There are plenty of papers, book, and videos published.

Here's a good one that I think summarizes a lot of it without getting too deep into individual issues that are all occurring, right now.

Feel free to believe that everything is going to just keep going like it has the past 200 years. The last 200 years were a complete aberration. We dug up almost all of the readily available resources, burned them as fast as possible so that rich people could become immeasurably rich, and we're all left holding the receipt and getting pissed about line items on that receipt.

All of the real resources are almost all gone, what's left is getting hoarded by the people with the artificially created money of the last 100 years of financialization of limited resources, and most people are too nearsighted to see what is hiding behind that receipt.

Anyway, for anyone who actually gives the link a watch, you're welcome! Enjoy the end of the world, because it's your only real option.

That video is obnoxiously pedantic and abstract. I suppose it goes somewhere but 10 minutes into its 63 minute run it hasn't advanced beyond dicing up abstractions with no conclusions on the horizon. Only a university environment would give rise to such a mockery of human intelligence.