Climate Change Is Harming U.S. Economy report says

[K1052]

Seriously, were you hiding in a cave during and after Katrina? Predictions of Katrina like storms wreaking havoc on our coasts were to be the new norm. They weren't. And as my article points out, we have instead had one of the calmest period of major hurricanes to hit our shores in 100 years.

If they hit the US it's proof of climate change, if they hit other people it's proof that climate change doesn't exist.

Ok.

 

[Stewox]

Okay we'll fix it by paying Obama and Al-Gore proudly presenting, the one and only, ... wait for it ...... Carbon Tax

Non-existing problem solved

 

[glenn1]

How about if we increase their standard of living to the point their birth rates fall below replacement just like ours?

I'm not sure how correlated birth rates are to carbon production. Russia has low birthrates yet still produces more carbon than the whole of Africa despite the later having high birthrates. If you're trying to say that reducing carbon emissions is a luxury good only truly affordable by wealthy people (in relative global terms) I'll agree with you.

 

[rudder]

Yep no agenda at all. Obama has no plans at all for costly regulations. We must all accept the fact that solar is the way to go.

http://watchdog.org/142784/santa-fe-solar/

 

[Cozarkian]

Here is an amusing blog that points out UFO sightings have a higher correlation with rising temperatures than CO2 emissions.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/04/do-aliens-cause-global-warming-the-data-say-yes/

 

[Jaskalas]

According to the resident Republican whackos this is not possible.

The whackos are the ones naming every little squall line as Climate Change.

 

[pcgeek11]

The part that most do not get is IF it does exist there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

 

[disappoint]

Here is an amusing blog that points out UFO sightings have a higher correlation with rising temperatures than CO2 emissions.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/04/do-aliens-cause-global-warming-the-data-say-yes/

You may laugh but there is a correlation. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what that correlation is. I'll give you a hint: it's fairly obvious, or at least it seems so to me. Let me know if you give up and want me to reveal it.

 

[disappoint]

The part that most do not get is IF it does exist there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

There isn't a damn thing you can do about it or there isn't a damn thing you're willing to do about it?

 

[pcgeek11]

There isn't a damn thing you can do about it or there isn't a damn thing you're willing to do about it?

The climate changes, it always has. Man doesn't cause it, nor can he stop it. Anyone that thinks they can have a meaningful effect on the changing climate is deluded.

 

[fskimospy]

The climate changes, it always has. Man doesn't cause it, nor can he stop it. Anyone that thinks they can have a meaningful effect on the changing climate is deluded.

That's an awful lot of deluded climatologists then. Where did you gain so much expertise that you were able to so easily dismiss millions of man hours of intensive work and research by the world's foremost experts on the issue?

 

[boomerang]

You guys have got to get current. John Holdren, you know, the guy that just got nailed for using an email account other than his official one for government business? No? Well, we can talk about his law breaking ways later. Anyway, he's coined a new term. What used to be global warming, that then was changed to climate change is now, "global climate disruption". Anyone can see that going from two words to three makes it much more serious. So open up your wallets kids. We've got a lot of rich people to make richer!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...arming_er_climate_change_has_another_new_name!

 

[PokerGuy]

I take it this is the precursor to another big push for more taxes, more government regulation and more government control. Surely that will fix it, just give more money and power to the gorons and all will be well.

Wake me up when someone proposes a solution that doesn't involve a simple handover of money/power to the government and/or eco kooks.

 

[Paratus]

The part that most do not get is IF it does exist there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

Please provide your alternate theory and data as to why these ten indicators show warming but really don't, or admit it is happening.

Thanks!

 

[PokerGuy]

Please provide your alternate theory and data as to why these ten indicators show warming but really don't, or admit it is happening.

Thanks!

You missed his point. Even if you accept that this is happening (and it's obviously far more complex issue than most would like to acknowledge), there really isn't anything that can realistically be done about it. The only "solutions" conveniently always seem to be just power and money grabs by government or eco kook groups and attempts to push a political agenda.

 

[boomerang]

I would be genuinely interested in seeing the step-by-step plan for controlling the climate of our planet. Anyone?

 

[K1052]

I would be genuinely interested in seeing the step-by-step plan for controlling the climate of our planet. Anyone?

Stop burning so much fossil fuel.

You're welcome.

 

[mikeymikec]

You guys have got to get current. John Holdren, you know, the guy that just got nailed for using an email account other than his official one for government business? No? Well, we can talk about his law breaking ways later. Anyway, he's coined a new term. What used to be global warming, that then was changed to climate change is now, "global climate disruption". Anyone can see that going from two words to three makes it much more serious. So open up your wallets kids. We've got a lot of rich people to make richer!

Just out of curiosity, if scientists discovered a few new things about gravitational theory, it was proven to the satisfaction of the general scientific community and it decided that a new term should be used instead of gravity to better reflect its influence on the environment, would the decision to use this new term mean that humanity's understanding has somehow become less than what it was previously?

I'm not trying to liken the theory of gravity to climate change theories, but I always find this argument "they changed the name, see it can't be true then!", amusing. I think what happened is pretty easy to guess: Scientific theory regarding climate change was referred to as global warming because once upon a time it was referred to as "the greenhouse effect". Substances like CFCs in our atmosphere from aerosols, dumped refrigeration systems etc were causing a barrier of sorts which reduced the amount of heat dissipation from the planet. However, just as our weather system is difficult to predict (it certainly is in the UK at least), it would be surprising for a problem like this to have a single effect on the entire planet? So instead of the planet generally becoming hotter, perhaps the effects of various types of pollution, deforestation, dumping crap in the seas etc would have many different effects on the various environments that this planet hosts?

Also, just out of curiosity, if say one corrupt scientist happens to also subscribe to a particular theory (which isn't exclusively theirs), does that disprove or somehow count against the theory in your opinion? Does this idea also work against sexual orientations, religions, skin colour, and choices of careers?

 

[K1052]

You missed his point. Even if you accept that this is happening (and it's obviously far more complex issue than most would like to acknowledge), there really isn't anything that can realistically be done about it. The only "solutions" conveniently always seem to be just power and money grabs by government or eco kook groups and attempts to push a political agenda.

I see this argument a lot. Even when people get to the point of accepting that it is happening they throw their hands up and say nothing can be done or that they are opposed politically to any and all solutions. It is a cynical cop out.

 

[bshole]

Wow who would have thunk it. Oh noes, climate change is harming the US economy. On the other hand, it has done absolute wonders for the economies of China and India. Their gnp's have quintrupled and tripled in the last decade respectively. The fastest growths in countries' gnp in ALL of human history. Unprecedented and unfathomable growth..... and it happened DURING global warming! Yep global warming is detonating economic growth...... riiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhttttt!

Jesus Christ, this is what passes for science now.... chicken little scare science published every few weeks? Fuckin pathetic.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Stop burning so much fossil fuel.

You're welcome.

"Environmentalists" fight against our only realistic alternative to fossil fuels.

 

[PokerGuy]

I see this argument a lot. Even when people get to the point of accepting that it is happening they throw their hands up and say nothing can be done or that they are opposed politically to any and all solutions. It is a cynical cop out.

Once again, an accusation that it's a cynical cop-out, but yet no proposed solution of anything that could in any way be deemed realistic to "solve" the problem. I am not opposed to actual solutions, but I am opposed to political agendas that masquerade as "solutions" to a very complex issue that is not even close to being completely understood yet.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Once again, an accusation that it's a cynical cop-out, but yet no proposed solution of anything that could in any way be deemed realistic to "solve" the problem. I am not opposed to actual solutions, but I am opposed to political agendas that masquerade as "solutions" to a very complex issue that is not even close to being completely understood yet.

^ This.

 

[K1052]

"Environmentalists" fight against our only realistic alternative to fossil fuels.

A move back to nuclear power has stalled for a couple reasons. The ill timed events at Fukushima (which only serves to highlight why our existing reactor fleet should be replaced now) and fracking.

 

[K1052]

Once again, an accusation that it's a cynical cop-out, but yet no proposed solution of anything that could in any way be deemed realistic to "solve" the problem. I am not opposed to actual solutions, but I am opposed to political agendas that masquerade as "solutions" to a very complex issue that is not even close to being completely understood yet.

Why are you guys using "solutions" and "solve" in quotes like the technology required to reverse the current trend is somehow on the level of building a warp drive? We have sufficient technology on both the power usage and generation sides to greatly reduce if not entirely eliminate the use of fossil fuels. You wouldn't even need to implement a cap and trade system if the government structured incentives/regulations correctly and people get more educated about what's happening.

Hiding behind what you view as "complexity" as a justification for not doing anything is just another dodge.