We force them to get an education. Why not force them to wear a seat belt. It purely ecomomic reasons. Less highway deaths = less lawsuits/ insurance costs.
LunarRay
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Cadguy,
That sure is all warm and fuzzy, but doesn't answer the question.
I already stated that I wear my seatbelt and I think anyone with half a brain would realize that it is prudent to do so, but just because it may be something we should do, doesn't mean that we should "force" people to do it.
CkG[/quote]
Even people with 1/4 brains like me know that. But, there is a need for the government to protect us from ourseves when we act in a manner contrary to good sense. Like a bridge jumper.... the problem does not exist for them till they meet the water but, they need to be restrained from doing stupid or dangerous things. Jaywalking, Speeding, Surfing through piers, any exigent situation, flying as the pilot without a seatbelt, many things require intervention. Besides, the clearing of body parts is a messy job. If they are all in one spot ya can just tow the vehicle body and all. YUK!
That sure is all warm and fuzzy, but doesn't answer the question.
I already stated that I wear my seatbelt and I think anyone with half a brain would realize that it is prudent to do so, but just because it may be something we should do, doesn't mean that we should "force" people to do it.
CkG[/quote]
Even people with 1/4 brains like me know that. But, there is a need for the government to protect us from ourseves when we act in a manner contrary to good sense. Like a bridge jumper.... the problem does not exist for them till they meet the water but, they need to be restrained from doing stupid or dangerous things. Jaywalking, Speeding, Surfing through piers, any exigent situation, flying as the pilot without a seatbelt, many things require intervention. Besides, the clearing of body parts is a messy job. If they are all in one spot ya can just tow the vehicle body and all. YUK!
Even people with 1/4 brains like me know that. But, there is a need for the government to protect us from ourseves when we act in a manner contrary to good sense. Like a bridge jumper.... the problem does not exist for them till they meet the water but, they need to be restrained from doing stupid or dangerous things. Jaywalking, Speeding, Surfing through piers, any exigent situation, flying as the pilot without a seatbelt, many things require intervention. Besides, the clearing of body parts is a messy job. If they are all in one spot ya can just tow the vehicle body and all. YUK!
[/quote]bridge jumper - potential safty hazard to people driving on the bridge(gawking, etc)
jaywalking - potential to impead traffic flow
surfing through piers - hey, if you have a deathwish? who am I to stop you?
flying pilot seatbelt - not sure what you are getting at
Pzero - Minors are not afforded many of the same rights and freedoms that adults are.
CkG
Originally posted by: HJD1
CADguy,
Pilot seatbelt etc.
A pilot needs being secure in case of air bumps and stuff or he may cause accident if he loses control.
or sober..
Well a sober pilot is better than ...
But yes, pilots should be forced to wear a seatbelt when flying for the exact reason you stated - because he then endangers others.
CkG
Florida sting
Sorry it is a tad off my topic but I didn't want to start another one. I find this hilarious. Most of these these people clearly deserved traffic tickets for endangering other's because they ran the lights, but I'll still take issue with the seatbelt part
CkG
Sorry it is a tad off my topic but I didn't want to start another one. I find this hilarious. Most of these these people clearly deserved traffic tickets for endangering other's because they ran the lights, but I'll still take issue with the seatbelt part
CkG
Am I stubborn? Yep And proud of it. (I was just checking. It did begin to look like stubborn is much more of a factor for you than truth) Am I wrong sometimes? Sure, never said I was always right. (Interesting that you WOULD be strbborn if you REALLY believed this) I'm not sure why you directed this statement at me though, the reason I had to reply so many times in this thread is because sandorski had trouble reading. (I was quite certain it was the other guy's blindness. You couldn't be wrong, except in theory, of course)
*So tell me moony, why shouldn't I get to state and argue my side, even if I'm wrong?(like you are with the Gore 2000 thing ) (Well, you see, you just did. I wasn't wrong in that example)
*Any issue? Ha! (This one)
*Humility? Sure I could use some work on that but remember..."Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself" (I had to judge you because sandorski had touble reading)
Wait a minute... why is this about me personally? (Where did you get the idea it was) I'm pretty sure that this post was about checkpoints, seatbelts, and the law. Oh, I get it now (This is not something you should say with any frequency of facility)It isn't about winning the debate(or argument) for you anymore is it moonbeam? It's all about riddles, quotes, and "personal reflections" (I thought you would go off topic to argue, you're a stubborn cuss)
*So tell me moony, why shouldn't I get to state and argue my side, even if I'm wrong?(like you are with the Gore 2000 thing ) (Well, you see, you just did. I wasn't wrong in that example)
*Any issue? Ha! (This one)
*Humility? Sure I could use some work on that but remember..."Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself" (I had to judge you because sandorski had touble reading)
Wait a minute... why is this about me personally? (Where did you get the idea it was) I'm pretty sure that this post was about checkpoints, seatbelts, and the law. Oh, I get it now (This is not something you should say with any frequency of facility)It isn't about winning the debate(or argument) for you anymore is it moonbeam? It's all about riddles, quotes, and "personal reflections" (I thought you would go off topic to argue, you're a stubborn cuss)
This is absolutely wrong. The government has no right to stop me at random when I have done nothing wrong.
If I'm not wearing a seatbelt they generally can't tell unless they stop me, hence the checkpoints.
How big is the difference between stopping me and checking my belt and entering my home at random to check for other possible law breaking?
If I'm not wearing a seatbelt they generally can't tell unless they stop me, hence the checkpoints.
How big is the difference between stopping me and checking my belt and entering my home at random to check for other possible law breaking?
Anyone who stops to talk to the cops dressed as hobos is an idiot and deserves a ticket for their stupidity.
The average panhandler in that area makes more than double the mean family income. (Meaning that almost all the "homeless" people there are truly not homeless, begging is their "job").
Of course, the running red lights thing is justified there as all the traffic lights are triggered by weight sensors under the pavement, most of which are placed near the center of the intersection instead of before the crosswalk, so if you don't pull into the intersection (running the red light) IT WILL NEVER CHANGE.
Bowfinger
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Just an update - here's a poor guy in Baltimore who got hauled to jail for expressing his opinions. He was a pedestrian at the time (i.e., not violating the seatbelt law), and he naturally claims he wasn't disruptive or using profanity. So much for freedom of speech. (Note, this is an Op-Ed piece.)
Police lockup for speaking up seems a bit extreme
Police lockup for speaking up seems a bit extreme
They got Donna last week.
She normally does buckle up. She just went out for lunch at work in crowded bumper to bumper Atlanta city street where you do not get over 10 MPH during lunch hour, she was only going a very short distance, turned the corner and they had a checkpoint going.
They did only write her up for not wearing the belt (her passenger did have her buckle on) but there was no way to break any other moving violations in jammed packed city street to get written up for anything else.
Anyone who stops to talk to the cops dressed as hobos is an idiot and deserves a ticket for their stupidity.
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Poor Jesus wouldn't last long in today's world.
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Poor Jesus wouldn't last long in today's world.
Quite extreme indeed. I agree the guy should have left them alone and used a different route though. Cops don't like to be challenged, especially when they are (supposedly) just doing what they are told to do. But to lock a guy up who (apparently) wasn't creating a public hazard is rediculous, especially without charging him with something.
CkG
I heard that Reverend Ike said you gotta see yourself in that Cadillac befory you could own it. I figured that with Christians in the chips these days, he's come back in a Cad. And that would be doubly true since I think they'll be searching just those other cars. Look for a guy in a business suit with dark glasses and a cane.
And that would be doubly true since I think they'll be searching just those other cars. Look for a guy in a business suit with dark glasses and a cane.
Mean MrMustard
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You're reaching, przero. If you don't wear a seat belt, the consequences only affect you. It is as simple as that. A government of the people, by the people, and for the people should never even consider a law that tries to protect someone from his or herself.
That last sentence should explain itself.
As for the education comparison
, if people weren't "forced" to get at least a minimum education i.e. in Indiana the age is until 16 (I don't know if that is a state law or a federal law), the economic impact would cost far more to the taxpayers and/or consumers than what the public pays for public education today. Think about it.Craig
Hello, the decoys do not do any of the pulling over and ticketing. They sit or stand there and radio ahead your car and description to what amounts to a wall or a nearly a roadblock of uniformed Officers that pull you over and write you up. If you refuse to pull over you will be charged with a serious Offense possibly even Felony charges and locked up.
Hello? HELLO? HELLO? What's you mean white boy? Take yo hello to church wit chew. Wat chew said don't got nutten ta do wit what I said, man.
Who da hell u tink Jboy came fer, punks like chew?
Who da hell u tink Jboy came fer, punks like chew?
mugs
Lifer
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The difference is that driving is a privilege, not a right. With privileges come responsibilities. Willingly submitting to a police checkpoint to enforce a law is one of them. It's sort of like if a cop stops you for driving drunk - you may refuse to submit to a sobriety test, but in doing so you forfeit your driving privileges.
Some people are just damn contrary... um.. I mean are just more rugged individualists that others
mugs
Lifer
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I'd prefer that they fine that stupid moron rather than raising taxes. It's like lottery tickets - an idiot tax. Regarding the transplant debate - I'll make sure my family knows that if I die, I refuse to donate organs to anyone who was injured in a car accident where they weren't wearing their seatbelt. But a more reasonable way to say that it affects public safety is this - a car accident where people weren't wearing seatbelts would likely have more serious injuries than one in which everyone wore their seatbelt. So there is a higher likelyhood that rescue crews (EMTs, fire dept) would be needed. While they're wasting their time scraping some idiot off the pavement because he didn't wear his seatbelt, more sensible people could be in need of their services. Still a stretch though.
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