class warfare

[Dulanic]

I agree completely and will just add.

Democrats do the exact same shit.
Obama is bush light.

As long as we allow money to flow into the process, that money will dictate the process and reap the benefits of that process.

The problem is those who can vote the money out are the very people accepting the money. Aka it will never change.

 

[Throckmorton]

How did the standard of living of a poor person today become so much greater than it was 30 years ago?

Most people below the poverty line in the U.S. live with electricity, televisions, cell phones...

Those are all very cheap things... Technology marches onward.

Back in the day there was a saying. Anybody with a job can afford a Camaro.

Now, most middle class people, lower class, and poor people can't afford a $23k car.

 

[Throckmorton]

Poverty? America doesnt know poverty. Im pretty confident having travelled to over a dozen different countries America doesnt know what poverty is.

LINK

It only takes $34,000 a year, after taxes, to be among the richest 1% in the world.

...people at the world's true middle -- as defined by median income -- live on just $1,225 a year.

I know I'm being fucked when someone tells me how rich I am compared to the average Sudanese.

America is doomed. I don't see how we can thrive again with attitudes like this. Also, good for you if you're in the richest 1% of the world, I only take home $24k. Only 29 million of the global 1%ers are living in America, which means 90% of Americans aren't in that global 1%.

 

[IGBT]

you are correct. Fear/Envy and Class Warfare are the three legs on the liberal stool that the democrats sit on.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

you are correct. Fear/Envy and Class Warfare are the three legs on the liberal stool that the democrats sit on.

Better than the upside down stools Republicans want us sitting on...

 

[umbrella39]

Golly gee... are people starting to notice that the only agenda the GOP has is protecting tax cuts for the rich... Greed/Selfishness and Class Warfare the three fingers in the conservative asshole that the republicans sit on.

 

[Lithium381]

so the liberals want to spend money that we don't have, and the republicans want to prevent us from taking in any taxes . . . sounds like a deficit machine to me

 

[bononos]

Poverty? America doesnt know poverty. Im pretty confident having travelled to over a dozen different countries America doesnt know what poverty is.

LINK

It only takes $34,000 a year, after taxes, to be among the richest 1% in the world.

...people at the world's true middle -- as defined by median income -- live on just $1,225 a year.

And it is also irrelevant. No American would want to be compared to some burning hellhole of a country to be considered rich. That sort of thinking has caused a race to the bottom economy where what used to be decent jobs get outsourced to those slave wage countries.

There is an explosion of wealth going to the top 1% in the past few decades within America while the average American's wealth is stagnant or sliding backwards.

 

[fstime]

The elite have everyone fooled that it is the teachers unions, pension plans, workers right/benefits that are destroying this country.

The republican sheep bite and blindly watch the rich explode in wealth.

Their solution to the race to the bottom the middle class is experiencing? Government handouts for half of all families to keep them just happy enough to not stir up any trouble.

Open your eyes, they have you fighting among your selves while they suck the country dry.

 

[cubby1223]

Those are all very cheap things... Technology marches onward.

Then exactly how does one define "poverty"?

I don't even know what you are trying to say. That people are worse off today than in the past because they are not driving Cameros? I disagree.

The Democratic Party wish you to believe your life is a piece of shit because of Republicans. I do not believe it.

The reason why shouting "class warfare" doesn't ever fix anything, is because the "classes" are not working in unison to hate and oppress the other "classes". We are all individuals who are motivated by self interest. "Class warfare" is more a tool political parties use to maintain their power.



You are a victim being oppressed by "the rich". What is your only option in life? Vote for Democrats! Nothing else you can do will ever help you succeed.

And with that being the case, all I have to do to keep you oppressed is to vote Republican, while I do the other things in my life necessary to make myself a success.

 

[dmcowen674]

class warfare

I just want to say something.

Class warfare is not new in the US. It is 30 years old when divergence began.

The wealthy have been waging this war for a long time. I am fed up with republicans saying that democrats want to start class warfare. It has been started a long time ago.

The difference today is that things are so out of whack that the poor people actually are realizing it now.

The wealthy started class warfare 30 years ago. Stop trying to tell poor people that we have a bad attitude about it.

End of story.

Cool story bro

 

[highland145]

A black lawyer is not a freak of nature. Nor a black doctor. Nor a black banker. Not even, today, a black President of the US.

The fact that for a century such people WOULD have been a freak of nature, did not exist, and now they suddenly do...

Has NOTHING to do with any government efforts, don't you understand that? It's magic.

Standard of living discussion gets me this?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

How did the standard of living of a poor person today become so much greater than it was 30 years ago?

Most people below the poverty line in the U.S. live with electricity, televisions, cell phones...

And without divergence, the welathiest person in the US could still have a 70" LCD while the poorer people could afford a 42" insetad of a 37". Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Exterous]

I know I'm being fucked when someone tells me how rich I am compared to the average Sudanese.

America is doomed. I don't see how we can thrive again with attitudes like this. Also, good for you if you're in the richest 1% of the world, I only take home $24k. Only 29 million of the global 1%ers are living in America, which means 90% of Americans aren't in that global 1%.

Yeah - I'm not buying that without some proof

 

[Ninjahedge]

from your link:

"prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers"

BS.

They always say "all American Taxpayers", when most of the tax regulations hit the upper 1% the hardest.

I would not flinch at a 5% tax increase if they made the 1% pay a similar PERCENTAGE.

But upping mine by even 1%, by cutting federal aid to my state and forcing local taxes to jump, while keeping tax breaks that have made the % the lowest (I will have to check) in history for the top earners is just not excusable.

This "All American" tripe only works for the Sheeple.

And the Sheeple pick our leaders, ironically.

 

[Genx87]

I jsut want to say soemthing.

Class warfare is not new in the US. It is 30 years old when divergence began. The wealthy have been waging this war for a long time. I am fed up with republicans sayign that democrats want to start class warfare. It has been started a long time ago. The difference today is that things are so out of whack that the poor people actually are realizing it now.

The wealthy started class warfare 30 years ago. Stop trying to tell poor people that we have a bad attitude about it.

End of story.

Class warfare has been going on a lot longer than 30 years.

 

[Matt1970]

Class warfare by the rich has always been taking place since the country was founded - and by the nobility in England before that.

The wealthy got ahold of some nuclears weapons 30 years ago, is what changed.

And it's a cycle of taking power by them, the more wealth they take, the more powerful they get, and the more they take again.

93% of economic recovery since 2008 going to the top 1%, what else do you need?

Is it any wonder there is no candidate for President who doesn't serve them, basically, with the Republicans nominating someone with only one principle, helping the wealthy, who is a caricature at his phony pandering to say anything that will get him votes in his current election?

Thurston Romney III 2012.

I've long said, as they gain more power, this stops being about their controlling who's elected, and starts being about gutting the very system of democracy for the people.

How do the people get their country back if they don't act before it gets worse? Another 'revolution'? No. Nothing gets it back at that point.

When that happens, people are simply not given the power over things affecting the wealthy; they get a toy government that passes national awareness days.

And they're grateful for that.

We already have 25% of the nation oblivious praising their masters for saving them from the Kenyan Muslim - what happens when that become 90%?

It's the USSR all over again, except instead of chanting communist mantras to hide the corruption, you chant Republican mantras about 'freedom' to hide the corruption.

Instead of state-driven ideology enslaving workers, it's private tycoons controlling all the resources enslaving them.

That's not hunger, boy, it's freedom hunger! Celebrate it!

The fact Romney has even 5% support shows we have a class of oblivious, ignorant, brainwashed ideologues who are a menace to themselves and the country.

On the basis of what? Nothing more than money telling them to.

Not his positions - where you can't name perhaps even one he hasn't changed.

Not his 'ability to fix the economy' where his corporate raiding has almost nothing to do with good government, his party ran the economy into the biggest crisis since the Great Depression and has offered nothing to improve it, the one issue he took a clear position on was the auto bailiouts and he got it wrong - and is now lying about the position he took - not his 'support for working moms' against an attack he made up, and has a record of actually saying the thing he falsely accuses Democrats of saying... on and on.

Mitt Romney is the joke that follows the winning of the 'class war' by the only side fighting it while they lie that it's the 99% who are fighting it.

Where every government policy favoring them is not the government doing it while helping the American people is big government.

Where the wealth they extract from the people of the country, 'they made', while any share of the wealth the people generate they ask for is envy.

It's plutocracy, and only idiots who cheer it.

Republican propagandists are notorious for lying with a phrase. Twisting words like freedom into poisonous policies. 'Class warfare' is like having a black man stick up a white man and demand his money and when the white man says 'that's wrong', the robber says 'are you a racist!? You better not be, shut up and give me your money'.

'Shut up and give me your money' is the real motto of the Republican party and the Romney campaign, class warfare a perverse lie as they rob.

The sad part is Craig takes himself seriously. He wants to compare the Repubs to Russia but then wants to implement an economy very similar to them. "Shut up and give me your money" is not the motto of the Republican Party, that's Progressives. How on god's green earth you take yourself seriously is beyond me.

 

[Lithium381]

BS.

They always say "all American Taxpayers", when most of the tax regulations hit the upper 1% the hardest.

I would not flinch at a 5% tax increase if they made the 1% pay a similar PERCENTAGE.

But upping mine by even 1%, by cutting federal aid to my state and forcing local taxes to jump, while keeping tax breaks that have made the % the lowest (I will have to check) in history for the top earners is just not excusable.

This "All American" tripe only works for the Sheeple.

And the Sheeple pick our leaders, ironically.

if they made a 5% increase accross the board i'd be okay too

 

[BoberFett]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8201900.stm

Americans create their own poverty.

 

[Ninjahedge]

if they made a 5% increase accross the board i'd be okay too

The trick is this. I want the 5% across the board ONCE THE FIELD HAS BEEN LEVELED.

There may be some risk in stock, but paying 15% taxes on it as opposed to 38% on earnings above (?) is just not rational. So many executives are now paid in stock options rather than salary that even the idiot companies out there know how to pay more and give less.

So, flatten the field, find out COL (which will vary. I do not know if they would need to define it separately for the municipality you live in and the one you work in, or come up with some national standard), and ramp the tax burden down linearly as you get close to a modest COL income.

There is no sense in taxing people that have nothing (you will get next to nothing, and end up paying more to get it). And there is no sense in letting the rich write the laws. The middle class is getting crushed.

 

[Craig234]

you are correct. Fear/Envy and Class Warfare are the three legs on the liberal stool that the democrats sit on.

95% of what's said about the left here is wrong or lies, I can't rememeber the other 5%.

But I very much suspect this poster is 100%.

 

[Phokus]

Better than the upside down stools Republicans want us sitting on...

Hahahahahaha! holy shit, this comment isn't getting enough love.

 

[trenchfoot]

We all know that power corrupts etc. It's just a matter of willingly admitting to that fact instead of hiding it under piles and piles of diversionary BS to keep the takeover of gov't going and making our societal picture as a nation look like a fancy feast for all to enjoy when it has actually become a feast on the middle class and the poor by the rich.

Admit it. It can't be stopped so it's OK to admit it and not worry about the consequences of doing it. This stage prop that the rich have painted for themselves to keep the majority from usurping their power via the working person's right to vote is obviously doing its job. Just look at all of those fools who keep seeing the facade of the promised feast while living in the famine the rich have provided for them.

 

[Matt1970]

The elite have everyone fooled that it is the teachers unions, pension plans, workers right/benefits that are destroying this country.

The republican sheep bite and blindly watch the rich explode in wealth.

Their solution to the race to the bottom the middle class is experiencing? Government handouts for half of all families to keep them just happy enough to not stir up any trouble.

Open your eyes, they have you fighting among your selves while they suck the country dry.

Can you please explain to me how the rich take from the poor? Last time I checked the poor get food stamps, welfare, section 8, medicaid, earned income tax credit, free cell phones, and on and on all paid for by taxes typicly from the rich. Where is this wealth the rich take from them?

 

[Ninjahedge]

Can you please explain to me how the rich take from the poor?

By pushing for the repeal of government assistanceship programs.

Last time I checked the poor get food stamps, welfare, section 8, medicaid, earned income tax credit, free cell phones, and on and on all paid for by taxes typicly from the rich. Where is this wealth the rich take from them?

Um, k. Again, the "rich" ain't going around handing out money. The % of the taxes they pay to provide many of these services is marginal at best. Strawman.

What should be looked into are programs that give money out to be able to afford things, but then not regulating how much those "things" cost. (Medicare prescription medication being a HUGE one).