Of course that's how it looks to you and the only thing you need to justify that you see things truthfully is your sense of truthiness, which can be said in a few words. I, on the other hand, have to show you your defective thinking by laying out the scientific theory, hypothesizing how you will respond theoretically, and then point to the results that what I said would happen did. You, by your defective thinking, gave me the shitty end of the stick. And I don't exactly disagree with your positions so much because they are not really reasoned views or actual positions, but statements of emotional certainty. You don't present positions but fantastical representations caused by defective thinking. You might profit, I don't know, by instead of going OMFG three paragraphs, and instead read them, think about them and give they some time to soak in.
Of course that's how it looks to you and the only thing you need to justify that you see things truthfully is your sense of truthiness, which can be said in a few words. I, on the other hand, have to show you your defective thinking by laying out the scientific theory, hypothesizing how you will respond theoretically, and then point to the results that what I said would happen did. You, by your defective thinking, gave me the shitty end of the stick. And I don't exactly disagree with your positions so much because they are not really reasoned views or actual positions, but statements of emotional certainty. You don't present positions but fantastical representations caused by defective thinking. You might profit, I don't know, by instead of going OMFG three paragraphs, and instead read them, think about them and give they some time to soak in.
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You just proved my point. When faced with a view you disagree with, you insult and denigrate. It is what you do, you just like to use several paragraphs to do it so you can feel good about doing it.
CallMeJoe
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You are either the master of the ironic post, or the master of the hypocritical post. I'm not yet sure which.
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But this is so unfair. You get to revel in your martyrdom complex with all the joy of outrage and all I get to do is shake my head.
CallMeJoe
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I always say this
"YOU CAN ATTACK THE IDEA BUT NOT THE PERSON"
If you can stick to this,there shouldnt be any problems!
"YOU CAN ATTACK THE IDEA BUT NOT THE PERSON"
If you can stick to this,there shouldnt be any problems!
I have to agree with the poster that titled this the "hurt feeling rule". Rules are created because of a perceived need to modify behavior, if you create a rule and then modify it because you find it to hard to enforce or didn't fit: the rule creator didn't have a grasp on the problem. That or the minions are just being assholes and are taking to extreme the letter of the rule to prove their point about it not being enforceable. (I have been known to be the latter when faced with a new rule I didn't agree with.)
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"What a stupid idea."
Ideas can be like personality traits. You can attack them in a way that implies you are attacking the person. The problem I see is that some people offer ideas that apply reason to attack an idea, and some people just throw shit at the idea intending that shit for the idea maker. (See quoted above) And much of what is offered as ideas is parrot regurgitation and not ideas at all.
Thus we can have intelligent discussions between people open to other rationally presented ideas, what I think we would hope to see, and people angrily and often desperately defending sacred cows. Here the difficulty is that those who are defending sacred cows do not see it. They are in denial as to their motivation because it is invisible to them and it is invisible because they use the sacred aspect of their cows to ameliorate pain. For some folk, to think would feel like to die. How I see it anyway.
That is something you do all by yourself.
And as masterfully demonstrated here, you do mentally. OMFG, Sometimes I just tickle myself pink.
a777pilot
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Outstanding!
I for one, love insults (directed at me that is), especially if they are unique and well thought out.
That is one of the best polices I've seen on these forum sites. Thanks.
Comparing the OP and your response, I don't understand what you are saying. The idea of the OP seems to be to reduce the work load of other than those attacked reporting them. How does that relate to what you said. How does your love of attacks against you come into the issue? Want to help me understand?
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While waiting for the Coaster one day I witnessed a person slam his fist into a concrete wall.. no doubt busting a number of bones... It's been awhile and I've not figured out if the pain he felt overwhelmed the anger or not... it was motivated by anger, I'm sure...
I'd have hit a balloon or brought a soft fluffy pillow but then I'm sure the anger would not have been overshadowed by the punching of the pillow....
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Under the anger was enormous sorrow and pain he wanted to feel in his hand rather than in his heart. The martyr takes a similar route as well as those who enjoy self flagellation or peeing into the wind. People seek abuse because the they are armed for it having lived their lives in that expectation. It is love that makes them crap in their pants and of course, at anybody who shows it.
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I wonder what our friend Gurdjieff would think of our other friend who has all them 7's that he pilots about...
I'd think Gurdjieff would say that our friend's body is totally bound by the unconscious to the point where the conscious is simply asleep. Not to worry about an operation of the appendix.... even if he looked wide awake... he ain't. Quite unlike the Maharaja.
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It really is rather easy to understand.
He likes well thought out and witty attacks upon him. Under the previous rules, such things would be reported by others (as they should have been) and the poster received infractions. Under the new rules, only he can report the person.
Therefor, if the insult is well thought out and witty, he will enjoy it and not report the person.
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And as masterfully demonstrated here, you do mentally. OMFG, Sometimes I just tickle myself pink.
You only used two sentences, I am reporting your account as having been hacked. That is twice in the same thread you did not use several dozen sentences to say something.
No, the situation was not limited to a handful of members using the reported post function in volume, it is a volume of members using the reported post feature in small numbers.
No one did anything wrong, it is just that the situation was untenable and something had to change.
yeah, you are right, you called my bluff. I was just making all this up to entertain myself, ya know, because I have oodles of time to not only deal with the overflowing reported-post queue but also because I have oodles of time to make up stuff and take the time to post it up. You called me out, got me dead to rights.
Just to be clear, this isn't really about any one individual doing anything wrong or in excessive on their own. We aren't looking at 2-3 people abusing the system. The system simply isn't workable as it was implemented.
So we need to tweak it on the fly to see if we can make it workable. The alternative is even more extreme - mass bannings until the membership is pruned back to the volumes we can manage with the resources we are allocated, or we just close the subforum entirely and tell folks to go talk politics on another forum dedicated (and resourced appropriately) to servicing such discussions.
In the face of those two options we are currently choosing door #3, tweak the current rule and see if we can iterate ourselves to the point of something being efficient and functional.
If you folks try really really hard though, I am quite positive that you could succeed in convincing us that nothing short of the extreme alternatives are viable...as has always been the case, the community gets the subforum it deserves.
Just to put data to words, and to highlight just how out-of-balance the resource demands are for P&N versus all the other subforum combined, here is a pareto chart of the most recent 200 reported posts across the entire forum:
This subforum consumes nearly half of all our resources allocated to the reported-post queue.
That is unacceptable for a number of reasons - including the fact that we are supposed to be a tech-facing forum, not a politics and news outlet, and our resource allocation ought to reflect our priorities as a business. Right now it is hard to argue that this is the case.
This subforum consumes nearly half of all our resources allocated to the reported-post queue.
That is unacceptable for a number of reasons - including the fact that we are supposed to be a tech-facing forum, not a politics and news outlet, and our resource allocation ought to reflect our priorities as a business. Right now it is hard to argue that this is the case.
Just to put data to words, and to highlight just how out-of-balance the resource demands are for P&N versus all the other subforum combined, here is a pareto chart of the most recent 200 reported posts across the entire forum:
This subforum consumes nearly half of all our resources allocated to the reported-post queue.
That is unacceptable for a number of reasons - including the fact that we are supposed to be a tech-facing forum, not a politics and news outlet, and our resource allocation ought to reflect our priorities as a business. Right now it is hard to argue that this is the case.
Perhaps that is a sign that a reduction in moderation is the answer, not an increase? There are certain things that would clearly merit a moderator's response such as threats, blatant hate speech, spam, etc. Other than that, I would just let it be.
People already have ways of skirting most of the personal conduct rules. Instead of personally insulting someone they just make generalized insults that they know apply to the person they wish to antagonize, things like that. What constitutes a personal insult is a grey area anyway and will always require extra moderator time. Additionally, eliminating personal insults removes what I consider to be a valuable tool of community sanction for badly behaving members.
This 'no being mean' thing was a bad idea from the start.
Considering that the "no being mean" thing is actually in the forum-wide posting guidelines because the forum owner wanted it there...I would not go down the path of saying it was a "bad idea from the start".
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The conclusion from the top would more likely be "since our forum is a tech forum, and we cannot allow hateful, harassing, obscene or threatening posts, and we cannot seem to provide people the opportunity to discuss politics and news without those same people degrading their environment to the point where it is no longer managable by our limited moderator resources, this 'lets have a P&N subforum' thing was a bad idea from the start".
Why not? Forum owners are just as capable of having stupid ideas as anyone else. It was a rule that clearly didn't function well in P&N which is why it was ignored for a long time. This new decision to enforce it again is, as I said, a bad idea from the start. Even if you continue to enforce it for now I anticipate it will eventually go away through moderator apathy. Instead of the on again off again moderation, I encourage a more consistent approach.
Well that clearly hasn't been the case for years, but if something has changed at the top then maybe you should close it down. If that were to be true however, I find it unlikely that you would have created it on the basis of a community vote. You're fighting against the very nature of political forums, it's silliness.
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