Originally posted by: ntdz
You're an IDIOT if you think communism is conservative. Communism is the exact opposite of Capitalism, and there is no free market and everyone is equal in their misery. It's the ultimate liberal wetdream.
You have no clue do you? Totalitarism has always been a conservative goal, authority is the constant theme, fearing people into the so-called old ways and raping the working class under the guise of personal/fiscal responsibility to control, one the likes of hitler or stalins regimes, total dedication to party and nationalism, liberalism is to be rounded up, gassed or sent to a gulag as opposition undermines the authoritarism. Your a tool is what it is, kinda like a good german before ww2, "conservative values" are nothing less then a false front when it comes to action.
Every dicatorship started under a guise of fooling the people, but what they morph into once the elites have gained power is nothing less then a far-right wet dream.
Speaking of right-wing wet dreams, see if you can find a few of these, and then compare to the realities of what communism and fascism turned out to be in practice.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
The only real difference between the USSRs totalitarianism and fascist authoritarism is the fact that corporations were taken over by the state; to become the biggest corporate monopoly of all. The biggest betrayal of socialist values I can think of as far as empowering the working class along with taking their rights away to unionize, both governments did their best to root out all democratic socialists, commies, left wing thinkers, "intellectuals", homosexuals, immigrants etc. to be put into labor camps.
The same ideas the right-wing pundits on the radio cheer on daily, but hey, why be afraid of being a right-wing fascist? What are you? Un-PC? How dare you! You guys have a long history, and no liberal can tell you different, I mean, you all know how to deal with those liberal "traitors" right?
That is until you have to be smacked down again by the free "liberal" world. (funny how america was desribed as the last bastion of liberalism in the world during the heat of ww2)
There is a reason for that, the world was overrun by right-wing dictatorships.
