Civil forfeiture: eye-opening Washington Post piece

[qliveur]

Is there anyone left on this forum who isn't a troll or a teenage moron?

Thank the Stalinist purges. :whiste:

 

[Captante]

Jesus Franklin Christ, the guy was being sarcastic. Are you all really that freaking dense? Is there anyone left on this forum who isn't a troll or a teenage moron?

Well I'm not teenage at least! :whiste:

 

[monkeydelmagico]

I like to hit the streets with my bail money in my pocket. Gonna have to re-think that strategy.......

 

[Markbnj]

Well I'm not teenage at least! :whiste:

Well neither am I. That's why I said "teenage moron" to distinguish myself from extra special levels of idiocy.

 

[dartworth]

don't carry around cash...I carry around 40-80 cash only. Ta da...nothing to seize.

 

[Svnla]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh1C2II4Bx0LAAKAi3

 

[master_shake_]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh1C2II4Bx0LAAKAi3

you mean they used 9/11 to get laws passed that allow police to take your money off the street and give law enforcement a whole bunch of things they want?

good thing the us government engineered it then isn't it?

what was the anagram for patriot again?

oh ya

Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001

SOUNDS LIKE A SNOW JOB TO ME

 

[Craig234]

I wouldn't work for a criminal organization in the first place. Bill Gates doesn't have enough money to pay me to be a cop, and there's no 'changing things from the inside'. One person can do fuck all, and if by some miracle I actually got to the rank of making decisions, I'd be out on the street faster than Obama can change his mind. The reason is police work is a second revenue stream aside from taxes and 'fees'. As soon as I dried up the revenue stream, the politicos would have my head on a platter.

Another 'unintended consequence' of the psychotic against taxes crowd. It's too bad they can't reign in the waste on their side (e.g., military systems, tax breaks for the rich).

 

[lxskllr]

Another 'unintended consequence' of the psychotic against taxes crowd. It's too bad they can't reign in the waste on their side (e.g., military systems, tax breaks for the rich).

I'm against taxes, but you have to cut services too. The people you're talking about are corporate socialists, as opposed to the populist socialists that are in the executive branch right now. The latter only has the slightest edge in moral authority, but at this point you're comparing the finer distinctions between Stalin and Hitler.

 

[John Connor]

What part of the 4th amendment do these pig dount eating fucks and politicians not understand? How can a supposed law supersede the Constitution? I just don't get that. It's just like the 2nd amendment. If you want to carry concealed they want a fee (which is reacquiring) and you need to be finger printed. The fuck! I have aright to BEAR ARMS! It says it right there in the constitution!

I want to elect politicians who are strictly constitutional and the hell with this abridging of our rights. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

No wonder why we have militias. Waco and Ruby Ridge was a pile of BS!

 

[John Connor]

Another 'unintended consequence' of the psychotic against taxes crowd. It's too bad they can't reign in the waste on their side (e.g., military systems, tax breaks for the rich).

The rich pay more than the average person. The reason why jobs are going to China to begin with is due to taxes.

Reign in waste alright. Like all the BS spent on shit like studying shrimp on treadmills and endangered spices. Added pork to bills should be outlawed, PERIOD! I get E-mails from Citizens Against Government Waist and there is a ton of crap Congress votes on.

We need a strong military. The rest of the crap can go. Abolish the IRS, cut major spending for the EPA and all the other bastards like the NSA and create a flat tax.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/economy/rich-taxes/

 

[John Connor]

I personally want to see SHTF and the government restructured abiding by strict Constitutional principals.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787

 

[John Connor]

I'm so pissed right now that today I plan on calling my state representatives and asking them to repeal civil forfeiture. I decided this with some thought after a smoke and a Jack and Pepsi (It's 3 o'clock somewhere, right?). I said to myself bitching about this on some damn forum isn't going to change the systematic rape of the American people. If you want to join me and ask your representatives to end this madness then go here. http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm

Just imagine if a third of the American people contacted their representatives and said enough with civil forfeiture. They would have to act! The main ingredient to tyranny is for good people to do nothing. I'm even thinking about creating a White House petition. Probably nothing will happen, but at least I'm doing something!

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/letterscongress.htm

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/06/17/how-to-write-your-congressman/

 

[John Connor]

Looks like the ACLU is on this crap too. https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/civil-asset-forfeiture

What civil asset forfeiture amounts to is seizing property from someone on suspicion that it was in some way connected with a crime. The individual need not ever be convicted or even charged, but won’t get the property back without going through legal procedures which place the burden of proving innocence on him. Just to cite one of many cases given in the Post’s story, consider the plight of Mandrel Stuart,
“a 35-year old African American owner of a small barbecue restaurant in Staunton, VA was stunned when police took $17,550 from him during a stop in 2012 for a minor traffic infraction on I-66 in Fairfax. He rejected a settlement with the government for half of his money and demanded a jury trial. He eventually got his money back, but lost his business because he didn’t have the cash to pay his overhead.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgel...iture-laws-to-meet-the-same-fate-as-jim-crow/

I don't understand the expensive lawyer thing. Can you just get a pro bono attorney? I'm not a law professor or any of that crap , but I did read about pro bono and I thought it said something about pro bono attorneys having to commit so many hours free of charge to the public.

Here:

Lawyers in the United States are recommended under American Bar Association (ABA) ethical rules to contribute at least fifty hours of pro bono service per year(s).[6] Some state bar associations, however, may recommend fewer hours. Rule 6.1 of the New York Rules of Professional Conduct strongly encourages lawyers to aspire to provide at least 50 hours of pro bono service each year and quantifies the minimal financial contributions that lawyers should aspire to make to organizations providing legal services to the poor and underserved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_bono#United_States

Looks like a bill was introduced back in '99 but when I looked up the bill it was on welfare or some shit. https://www.aclu.org/content/aclu-applauds-legislation-limit-unfair-police-seizures


It's bill (S.1931) for anyone interested.

 

[Linflas]

Looks like the ACLU is on this crap too. https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/civil-asset-forfeiture




http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgel...iture-laws-to-meet-the-same-fate-as-jim-crow/

None of this is new, it started in the mid 80's as part of the misbegotten "war on drugs". It was preceded by the equally odious RICO act (another trust us it will only be used against the Mafia law). I actually worked on a program that was attempting to bring DEA in compliance with the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act which was a bipartisan attempt to try and reign this in a bit at the Federal level. Then came 9/11 and the rush by both parties to try and get in front of each other on what liberties can be sacrificed in the search for perfect safety (of at least their elected positions).

 

[schmuckley]

A lot of money that has been seized directly defunded terrorist activities. If you remove programs like this, and stop police from protecting our homeland, you are allowing terrorists to traffic money around the states, and finance terrorist attacks. Even if not charged with a crime, that doesn't prove they weren't a terrorist or involved in financing terrorism. The few people that did have money confiscated for no reason, are reasonable collateral damage in order to keep this free nation safe from terrorism and other evils.

I hope you're kidding.
More often than not it's someone losing their Hummer or house for a roach or coke baggy.I'd bet it's that 80% of the time.

 

[Linflas]

I hope you're kidding.
More often than not it's someone losing their Hummer or house for a roach or coke baggy.I'd bet it's that 80% of the time.

Actually no roach or coke baggy is necessary. Read some of the linked Post piece. The whole point is that they can seize your cash and unless you can post a 10% bond to start the process to contest the seizure they will keep it. It could be something as simple as withdrawing 9,000.00 in cash to go buy a car from someone on Craigslist and you get stopped along the way for a burnt out tail light. You have long hair and some tats and they decide they need to haul you out of the car and check you for drugs. They come across the 9,000.00 and decide they don't like your answers so they seize it. Then your nightmare begins.