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Civil forfeiture: eye-opening Washington Post piece

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Being American is about being part of a team, something bigger than yourself. It isn't about being free from obligation and living on an island of amber waves of grain. It's about your fellow man, about what you can do for your country, it's about America.
Well, thank you Mr. momeNt for your cooperation, and for being a real team player. You know in this day, and age, there are still people who resist the idea of our monthly vehicle, and house inspections, but not you sir, you are a true American. Unlike your neighbors who's kids we had to take for their own protection, we only found two minor code violations in your home, and the fines will be minimal this time.
BTW, your wife has very good taste in her selection of panties. See you next month Mr. momeNt.
 
problem is in most states those trials are ex-parte which is latin for sit the fuck down and you can't say anything.

That sounds like a sad state of affairs then. There are so many legitimate (fully legal and above board) reasons a person might have a lot of cash with them, such as a major purchase (car purchase transaction from a private seller etc).

Hopefully almost everyone knows about this law, and handles the situation appropriately (if that is even possible).

At the end of the day, there is a problem, and you have to either err on the side of catching more criminals/terrorists/drug dealers or err on leaving many more innocent people alone.
I would have thought the situation could be improved, but I can see the dilemma which probably caused this issue in the first place.

I guess no system of law is perfect, and all systems have their own pros and cons.
 
That sounds like a sad state of affairs then. There are so many legitimate (fully legal and above board) reasons a person might have a lot of cash with them, such as a major purchase (car purchase transaction from a private seller etc).

Hopefully almost everyone knows about this law, and handles the situation appropriately (if that is even possible).

At the end of the day, there is a problem, and you have to either err on the side of catching more criminals/terrorists/drug dealers or err on leaving many more innocent people alone.
I would have thought the situation could be improved, but I can see the dilemma which probably caused this issue in the first place.

I guess no system of law is perfect, and all systems have their own pros and cons.

there was a case in the states not sure which one an east indian person was driving around with over 100k in his car looking to buy a convenience store.

cop pulls him over asks to search his car and takes it and calls it a civil forfeiture AKA highway robbery.

he only got it back when a news crew fought for him but the cheif said its SOP to do that.

here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ec3nATX8gw
 
A lot of money that has been seized directly defunded terrorist activities. If you remove programs like this, and stop police from protecting our homeland, you are allowing terrorists to traffic money around the states, and finance terrorist attacks. Even if not charged with a crime, that doesn't prove they weren't a terrorist or involved in financing terrorism. The few people that did have money confiscated for no reason, are reasonable collateral damage in order to keep this free nation safe from terrorism and other evils.

WTF..... do you work for the FBI?

Have you read the Bill of Rights? Or forgoing that, the Constitution?
 
there was a case in the states not sure which one an east indian person was driving around with over 100k in his car looking to buy a convenience store.

cop pulls him over asks to search his car and takes it and calls it a civil forfeiture AKA highway robbery.

he only got it back when a news crew fought for him but the cheif said its SOP to do that.

here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ec3nATX8gw

Thanks, that video was REALLY interesting to watch. This seems to be quite a serious fault with the law system, over in the US.

So the affected man (apparently fully innocent), did not even get all his $160,000 back, they kept $5,000 of HIS MONEY!, wow!, and only returned $155,000.

I'd be furious.
 
Thanks, that video was REALLY interesting to watch. This seems to be quite a serious fault with the law system, over in the US.

So the affected man (apparently fully innocent), did not even get all his $160,000 back, they kept $5,000 of HIS MONEY!, wow!, and only returned $155,000.

I'd be furious.

You can be as furious as you like, but the only way to act on that anger is through the courts, and poof, there goes that $5k and a whole lot more.
 
You can be as furious as you like, but the only way to act on that anger is through the courts, and poof, there goes that $5k and a whole lot more.

Yes, the video seems to be saying that if the amount was, say $10,000, the lawyer would be saying to you, "It costs about $30,000 to fight this", so just forget about the $10,000, it's GONE, and it's cheaper to NOT fight it.

And then to rub massive amounts of salt into the wound, the government agencies involves, split the stolen loot proceeds of it.

I guess that what I would do then, is NOT have the big $cash in the first place, and instead use paypal or escrow services or checks (cheques) or something.

Maybe this helps explain the ever increasing popularity of bitcoins and similar, as they are relatively NOTHING to do with the government(s), at least at the moment, mostly.

Or until the latest NSA etc whistleblower, announces that the government has cracked all bitcoin schemes, and has decided to take possession of all its funds.

Yes, take bitcoins with you, for safe transfers of large sums of alternative $cash supplies. Ironically these rules could make more legitimate people use stuff like bitcoins, which could help indirectly fund the illegal aspects of bitcoins, such as its use in drug transactions, etc.
 
I don't remember ever sarcastic poster on this forum. It's a classic case of Poe's Law.

I know, I love it.

I hope one day to find something too extreme, and in doing so restore some of my faith in this country, but I don't think that day will come. Some opinions will always have votes in favor of it, which is why democracy is doomed.
 
Legalized theft? I like how the police official was complaining about laws scaling back the authority to abuse this kneejerk edict would hurt their funding. That money isnt yours you assholes.
 
A lot of money that has been seized directly defunded terrorist activities. If you remove programs like this, and stop police from protecting our homeland, you are allowing terrorists to traffic money around the states, and finance terrorist attacks. Even if not charged with a crime, that doesn't prove they weren't a terrorist or involved in financing terrorism. The few people that did have money confiscated for no reason, are reasonable collateral damage in order to keep this free nation safe from terrorism and other evils.

Shut the fuck up. Because of you, the terrorists have already won. Eroding of our rights to keep the country "safe" is bullshit, and any politician caught doing it should be executed for treason.
 
A lot of money that has been seized directly defunded terrorist activities. If you remove programs like this, and stop police from protecting our homeland, you are allowing terrorists to traffic money around the states, and finance terrorist attacks. Even if not charged with a crime, that doesn't prove they weren't a terrorist or involved in financing terrorism. The few people that did have money confiscated for no reason, are reasonable collateral damage in order to keep this free nation safe from terrorism and other evils.

You're what? 15 and younger?

ATOT: meet the comment of a new generation of posts-9/11 American kids who have lost the ability to think after being glued to social media since suckling from mama's tit.
 
You definitely do not want to bring any cash to the airport. Or anything like gold or silver or traveler's checks.

IIRC, they even tried to seize checks.

As far as warrants go, they just need a dog. They can simply say that the dog "indicated" on your car or house, and they can search it. If they feel like searching, they will, and you won't be able to do anything about it.

Chances are good, if you have a lot of cash, that a dog will smell drugs on it.
 
"We try to enforce the law here," said George Bowers, mayor of the town of 1,046 residents, where boarded-up businesses outnumber open ones and City Hall sports a broken window.​
Its no wonder that the increasing militarization of local police depts as another fallout from the drug war is getting a boost when the economy is bad especially in post industrial towns. Money and equipment is coming in to fight 'drugs' but do little except to antagonize ordinary people especially minorities.
 
Being American is about being part of a team, something bigger than yourself. It isn't about being free from obligation and living on an island of amber waves of grain. It's about your fellow man, about what you can do for your country, it's about America.


“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

― Benjamin Franklin


Sorry that's a "team" I won't be joining.



Shut the fuck up. Because of you, the terrorists have already won. Eroding of our rights to keep the country "safe" is bullshit, and any politician caught doing it should be executed for treason.



Well said. :thumbsup:
 
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Being American is about being part of a team, something bigger than yourself. It isn't about being free from obligation and living on an island of amber waves of grain. It's about your fellow man, about what you can do for your country, it's about America.

now this, THIS is the lulz.
 
I would agree that some people don't have access to credit, but no access to a bank? Even if you live in the boonies, if you have cash and an ID, you will not be denied a bank account and a debit card.

What world do you live in? There's a reason check cashing places thrive. There's tons of reasons banks won't open accounts for people; on a couple of occasions, I've had to go through hoops to open one or had a manager make a final decision. Besides that though, if you have bad enough credit or prior trouble with a bank (any bank they have their own pseudo credit system) or lack two forms of ID or a number of other reasons, they're not going to open an account for you.
 
Shut the fuck up. Because of you, the terrorists have already won. Eroding of our rights to keep the country "safe" is bullshit, and any politician caught doing it should be executed for treason.

Jesus Franklin Christ, the guy was being sarcastic. Are you all really that freaking dense? Is there anyone left on this forum who isn't a troll or a teenage moron?
 
Jesus Franklin Christ, the guy was being sarcastic. Are you all really that freaking dense? Is there anyone left on this forum who isn't a troll or a teenage moron?
Are you ever in P&N? Moment's posts are far less outlandish than some of what is expressed there in earnest.
 
My friend had a 1/4 lbs of hash taken from him by some local police in northern california. The next day he walked into the police station with his medical marijuana card and demanded his medicine back. They handed him over his narcotics with almost no fuss. If it had been cash instead of hash I doubt he would have ever seen it again.
 
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