CISPA held up in Senate. New bill in works. Still no coverage.

[schneiderguy]

Copyright extremism is not something you can really stop unfortunately.

.30 caliber bullets stop lots of things.

 

[Craig234]

Just shows how truly despicable American politics has become. When are you guys going to start that second revolution?

Never. What COULD happen is that the same forces that are the problem might organize a phony 'revolution', like the tea party, to get even MORE power for themselves.

What we actually need is for people to get informed enough to learn how much propaganda they're fed is wrong - and not much chance of that.

 

[Darwin333]

I keep telling people that gun control & Boston was a false flag to distract people from this bill.

They pulled out the "terrorist attack false flag" card just to pass this???? Foe real dawg?

 

[Darwin333]

Never. What COULD happen is that the same forces that are the problem might organize a phony 'revolution', like the tea party, to get even MORE power for themselves.

What we actually need is for people to get informed enough to learn how much propaganda they're fed is wrong - and not much chance of that.

Agreed except I would have given 0 chance.

 

[Darwin333]

You really don't know anything about Republicans, do you?

Maybe a quote I often post will help you:

"Politicians have to LOOK good to voters, and DO good for donors".

You haven't noticed what they SAY and what they DO don't match yet?

Could, say, the decades they have won elections by TALKING about the very popular cause of 'balancing the budget' and 'fiscal responsbility' while they skryocket debt help you?

Republicans couldn't get elected without many voters who vote for them falling for the sales pitch who are 'SHOCKED' when the actual governing doesn't match the pitch.

We have a shining example in the White House of the Democrats doing the exact same thing. I know I know, they are "less bad" and have to do the same fucked up things the other side does to make it a "fair fight" and stuff, they really are good guys though.

 

[AstroManLuca]

The House also passed a repeal of the Affordable Care Act, 33 times over.

 

[wirednuts]

You really don't know anything about Republicans, do you?

Maybe a quote I often post will help you:

"Politicians have to LOOK good to voters, and DO good for donors".

You haven't noticed what they SAY and what they DO don't match yet?

Could, say, the decades they have won elections by TALKING about the very popular cause of 'balancing the budget' and 'fiscal responsbility' while they skryocket debt help you?

Republicans couldn't get elected without many voters who vote for them falling for the sales pitch who are 'SHOCKED' when the actual governing doesn't match the pitch.

no I totally agree, I have for years. I love bill maher. but what were saying is republicans are essential evil people and I wouldn't mind if most of them got lost on a deserted island forever.

 

[Craig234]

We have a shining example in the White House of the Democrats doing the exact same thing. I know I know, they are "less bad" and have to do the same fucked up things the other side does to make it a "fair fight" and stuff, they really are good guys though.

'Less bad' matters. We'd agree they aren't perfect, but just using sarcasm to imply a false equivalency doesn't help.

It wouldn't help for me to respond sarcastically 'oh, you're right they're EXACTLY THE SAME IN EVERY WAY', either.

The issue here was about a Republican issue - their ideology versus their votes.

I would say it's quite a bit more extreme for them as the gap between the 'sales pitch' and the policies.

Democrats can behave disgustingly at times as well.

But you see a lot less of that, a lot more consistency with the sales pitch.

Take my favorite Senator, Bernie Sanders - what he says and how he votes is highly correlated.

Take a more 'corrupt' Democrat, and you will find the same sort of thing a lot more that I'm criticizing Republicans for here.

 

[momeNt]

This place is rapidly becoming an extremist board. You guys are even scaring the anarchists out of here, which I guess makes sense because anarchy is the only sane thing to believe in.

 

[gevorg]

The bill allows private businesses to share customers' personal information with any government entity, including the National Security Agency.

How long until your state tax commissioner gets the records of your Amazon purchases.

 

[Craig234]

no I totally agree, I have for years. I love bill maher. but what were saying is republicans are essential evil people and I wouldn't mind if most of them got lost on a deserted island forever.

I thought you did For what it's worth, we're talking about Republican politicians rather than voters, and I'm careful about the word 'evil'.

We have a system which greatly incents the 'evil', and when you have that, some people are likely to volunteer to play a part.

A lot of these Republicans are just doing what they're incented to do, as are even most of the people paying them to do wrong. It's a 'systemic problem'.

What do I mean by that? As an example, when a Big Company can do one policy that's good for society but less profitable, or another policy that's bad for society but more profitable, we can have a system which incents them to do the 'good policy' or incents them to do the 'bad policy', and now we often STRONGLY incent them to do the 'bad policy'.

It's a lot easier to spend $5 million on PR to spin what they're doing if they even have reason to do that, than to give up $500 million in profits to do the 'right thing'.

The system makes them legally obligated to put the interests of investors who generally care about nothing but high returns before any other concerns, and competitive pressures almost force them to not to 'right things' when their competitors won't, and it puts them at a disadvantage.

The solution comes down to 'good government' - which is why the price is so high when our government is corrupted by money, making it an instrument of oppression.

Save234

 

[ImpulsE69]

I would imagine that this doesn't apply to the lowly citizen forcing company records open for scrutiny at will? Because, that might actually benefit the average American.

 

[Lonyo]

How long until your state tax commissioner gets the records of your Amazon purchases.

It's OK, the IRS said they've never done such things in the past, and CISPA isn't going to have any real impact or be abused, the good guys said so.

 

[momeNt]

When are hard drives going to be banned and all information must be clouded? Has that bill been drafted yet? That's the only way I can be sure our country is safe from cyberattacks and digital piracy.

 

[MonKENy]

I keep petitioning and fighting against these bills when they come. But honestly I got the email it passed from fight the future and just shrugged

Heres the problem, they are going to keep banging us over the head with the bills, we are eventually going to get numb by them (almost like the "war on terror") and eventually give up trying.

They may not be able to out smart us but they definitely can out wait us.

There was a comic going around during the 99% protests of a poor crowd with meager food and a politician with lots of resources, the politician basically saying go ahead and fight, ill wait, lets see who breaks first.

 

[wirednuts]

How long until your state tax commissioner gets the records of your Amazon purchases.

exactly what this law would be used for. they have the technology- they could literally track every single purchase we make, and anything that looks suspicious could easily lead to a home search. it would all be perfectly LEGAL because the money tracking would lead to probable cause.

anyone that think this is even remotely ok is insane. but if they do it, they might as well get rid of cash because there wont be a need for it.

 

[CountZero]

I would imagine that this doesn't apply to the lowly citizen forcing company records open for scrutiny at will? Because, that might actually benefit the average American.

Come one now, if that lowly citizen is A) wealthy and B) head of industry, influential special interest group member, a lobbyist or current/past high ranking government official of course this law will benefit you and allow you to gain access to whatever information you want. If you don't meet those criteria you aren't really a citizen anyways, more of a statistic to be managed.

 

[wirednuts]

When are hard drives going to be banned and all information must be clouded? Has that bill been drafted yet? That's the only way I can be sure our country is safe from cyberattacks and digital piracy.

i agree. really, we could just make a flying drone for every person that constantly tracks and records you 24/7. if everyone is accounted for, then responsibility is always properly directed. and it would also mean we could eliminate statute of limitations laws- those are so annoying.

 

[ImpulsE69]

i agree. really, we could just make a flying drone for every person that constantly tracks and records you 24/7. if everyone is accounted for, then responsibility is always properly directed. and it would also mean we could eliminate statute of limitations laws- those are so annoying.

People watching people watching people watching people. At least it's job security.

 

[Craig234]

i agree. really, we could just make a flying drone for every person that constantly tracks and records you 24/7. if everyone is accounted for, then responsibility is always properly directed. and it would also mean we could eliminate statute of limitations laws- those are so annoying.

Big waste of money compared to a mandatory chip implant. Which really would be of enormous use in crime solving and prevention. And hugely infringe freedom.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I blame the voters!

 

[Jeff7]

You saw how the Internet nerds freaked out about SOPA... probably think the Gov is out to take away their piracy. It may be true, but still.

And either way, the government will eventually get it through, one way or another.
Rename it, slightly reword it, rewrite it so that no one raises a fuss about it and it stays quiet, or slip it in a piece at a time as riders on other unrelated bills.
Just file it all under the "It's for your own protection. You can trust us." category.

>90% incumbency rate, and they can get out of there and easily make 6 figures a year, or more if they go back to serve as agents of regulatory capture, commonly known as lobbyists, so they've really got nothing to lose.

Big waste of money compared to a mandatory chip implant. Which really would be of enormous use in crime solving and prevention. And hugely infringe freedom.

That would make Star Trek writers' jobs easier, at least for an episode on the history of the Borg.
Act 1: The Borg were created in a militaristic society, where a legislative order was issued which required all citizens to be fitted with neural interface implants. The programmers put in a little easter egg though, which automatically linked everyone together in a giant mesh network.
...
Roll credits.

People watching people watching people watching people. At least it's job security.

Isn't that also called "prime time reality television?"

I keep petitioning and fighting against these bills when they come. But honestly I got the email it passed from fight the future and just shrugged

Heres the problem, they are going to keep banging us over the head with the bills, we are eventually going to get numb by them (almost like the "war on terror") and eventually give up trying.

They may not be able to out smart us but they definitely can out wait us.

There was a comic going around during the 99% protests of a poor crowd with meager food and a politician with lots of resources, the politician basically saying go ahead and fight, ill wait, lets see who breaks first.

Petitioning and fighting - do you write letters to your representatives? Do you include a sufficient amount of cash, or control a sufficient amount of wealth, to ensure that your voice matters to them? (Though I think you might need to hold one of a few specific job titles to be able to bribe a politician legally, and they usually dress up the word so that "bribe" doesn't get used so often.)

The ants are lining up outside your house to peacefully petition you to grant them access to 5% of your refrigerator's contents. Do you negotiate with them, or get a can of Raid?




.

 

[TheVrolok]

Well this bill does none of that. All it does is give more power to the telecommunication companies.
It will never make us safer. It is, like it always is, simply a bill to make lobbyist and the people/corporations they represent more money.

Bingo. Couldn't agree more, and had essentially the same feelings as the OP when I heard the news. Americans get fucked over again.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

There is a very good reason they would do this. Gold just tanked, while the market is posting record numbers, and they know the economy is about to implode so they want to make their fixed bets without anyone knowing about it. So, what would you do if you were them?

Pass a bill censoring the internet, gut a bill so you don't have to report your trading that might implicate you of insider trading when you bet against the dollar before it collapses (amongst other things), import UN troops for crowd control and call for Martial Law when you announce that the dollar is in free fall.

 

[airdata]

So democrats want to take our guns away and republicans want to take our internets away

Fuck the republicans.