CIA wants to block release of JFK Docs for another 25 years

[John Connor]

Jones and Grassley cite a law signed by former President George H.W. Bush mandating the release of all documents related to Kennedy's assassination within 25 years. Under the JFK Records Act of 1992, the National Archives has until Oct. 26 of this year to disclose the remaining files related to the assassination – unless President Trump determines that doing so would be harmful to national security. There are about 3,100 files still unsealed by the National Archives.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rump-to-release-all-classified-documents.html

The CIA is urging President Donald Trump to delay disclosing some of the files for another 25 years according to friend and political adviser Roger Stone but the National Archives would not say whether any agencies have appealed the release of the documents.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...e-3000-never-seen-documents-jfk-assassination

And here's some food for thought. http://www.iamjackpatterson.com/blog/curious-death-george-de-mohrenschildt

 

[Red Squirrel]

The whole JFK thing is interesting in that it happened so long ago, yet they still hide the truth. It does make you wonder just how bad the truth really is if they still don't want to release it after all these years.

 

[John Connor]

The whole JFK thing is interesting in that it happened so long ago, yet they still hide the truth. It does make you wonder just how bad the truth really is if they still don't want to release it after all these years.

It's probably because of national secrets that can affect the intelligence community to this day. Or foreign relations and other crap like that. But that's just being level headed. The conspiracy part of me wants to believe that if the truth were let out it will spark a flipping revolution. As if that's not happening already.

Another part of me thinks that if the CIA or FBI planned the JFK assassination it would lead to a public relations nightmare. There was a lot of dirty shit back then. When I was in JROTC back in high school my teacher served in Vietnam as a Green Bert doing some pretty crazy shit. He even knew how to speak full blown Vietnamese. I think all Green Berets are taught a foreign language based on the region they are given. He said that there are classified secrets to this day he couldn't speak of. I also have a friend that worked for the CIA and was doing shady shit in Cambodia. He once told me that the things we did with torture made him sick to his stomach.

 

[Ancalagon44]

They probably want the documents to remain sealed forever because they reveal incompetence.

 

[John Connor]

They probably want the documents to remain sealed forever because they reveal incompetence.

Could be. But I think it's safe to say incompetence is the government's moto.

 

[BoomerD]

They just do NOT want the general population to know that Kennedy was actually abducted by aliens and hasn't been seen since. The assassination was just a coverup.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I just do not get this kind of move. Are there any employees today in the CIA, Senate or House, executive branch or Judiciary that can be personally affected by whatever worse case scenario might be in the records? And with current generation of young adults it isn't like they would give a shoot.

 

[HomerJS]

It's probably because of national secrets that can affect the intelligence community to this day. Or foreign relations and other crap like that. But that's just being level headed. The conspiracy part of me wants to believe that if the truth were let out it will spark a flipping revolution. As if that's not happening already.

Another part of me thinks that if the CIA or FBI planned the JFK assassination it would lead to a public relations nightmare. There was a lot of dirty shit back then. When I was in JROTC back in high school my teacher served in Vietnam as a Green Bert doing some pretty crazy shit. He even knew how to speak full blown Vietnamese. I think all Green Berets are taught a foreign language based on the region they are given. He said that there are classified secrets to this day he couldn't speak of. I also have a friend that worked for the CIA and was doing shady shit in Cambodia. He once told me that the things we did with torture made him sick to his stomach.

What national secrets or international relations? We were told Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman /s

 

[tynopik]

I just do not get this kind of move. Are there any employees today in the CIA, Senate or House, executive branch or Judiciary that can be personally affected by whatever worse case scenario might be in the records?

it doesn't matter whether they are still employees, it's whether they're still alive

everybody has secrets, the sort of deep investigation that was done is going to turn up all sorts of unrelated secrets that are embarrassing and/or illegal. And some of those people whose secrets were uncovered are still alive and don't want their dirty laundry aired (understandably)

for example, let's say one day your neighbor is murdered. you don't have anything to do with it, but the police pull all your phone and internet records which expose your affair and love of furries. Those records are now evidence, but would you want those made public even 50 years later?

 

[brycejones]

Could be. But I think it's safe to say incompetence is the government's moto.

QFI

motto is the word you are looking for

On the topic of the thread it is clearly because the lizard people won decades ago.

 

[zinfamous]

I see crazy people posting zerohedge and nutso consipriacy nonsense.

Oswald assassinating JFK has been roundly verified by the absolute facts of the case. The CIA was not involved. It's absolutely staggering that this kind of nonsense from the fringe elements persists to this day.

Why are you guys so terrified of the concept of being told things that are actually true?

 

[zinfamous]

It's probably because of national secrets that can affect the intelligence community to this day. Or foreign relations and other crap like that. But that's just being level headed. The conspiracy part of me wants to believe that if the truth were let out it will spark a flipping revolution. As if that's not happening already.

Another part of me thinks that if the CIA or FBI planned the JFK assassination it would lead to a public relations nightmare. There was a lot of dirty shit back then. When I was in JROTC back in high school my teacher served in Vietnam as a Green Bert doing some pretty crazy shit. He even knew how to speak full blown Vietnamese. I think all Green Berets are taught a foreign language based on the region they are given. He said that there are classified secrets to this day he couldn't speak of. I also have a friend that worked for the CIA and was doing shady shit in Cambodia. He once told me that the things we did with torture made him sick to his stomach.

"knew how to speak full blown Vietnamese"

...wtf is a full blown language? Who the hell says shit like this? Is Vietnamese AIDs, is it a virulent invader?

The phrase you are looking for, dummy, is fluent. He was fluent in Vietnamese. It's a fucking simple expression to understand. "Full Blown" refers to something that is "out of control" or "the totality of effect"

It does not refer to language fluency. ...I can say this with some expertise because I am a full blown English speaker. (see, doesn't that sound idiotic?)

 

[Ancalagon44]

I see crazy people posting zerohedge and nutso consipriacy nonsense.

Oswald assassinating JFK has been roundly verified by the absolute facts of the case. The CIA was not involved. It's absolutely staggering that this kind of nonsense from the fringe elements persists to this day.

Why are you guys so terrified of the concept of being told things that are actually true?

If so, why not release the documents? It happened 52 years ago now.

But anyway, I don't really believe that the CIA assassinated him. It does however seem plausible that a communist power was involved, and the CIA might want that secret to avoid upsetting diplomatic relations and all that.

The other possibility is that the documents reveal that the CIA ought to have taken Oswald in for questioning BEFORE the shooting and didn't.

 

[zinfamous]

If so, why not release the documents? It happened 52 years ago now.

But anyway, I don't really believe that the CIA assassinated him. It does however seem plausible that a communist power was involved, and the CIA might want that secret to avoid upsetting diplomatic relations and all that.

The other possibility is that the documents reveal that the CIA ought to have taken Oswald in for questioning BEFORE the shooting and didn't.

I imagine the documents contain internal investigative methods and sourcing that, even if those people are dead, would compromise even current relationships this country and these groups (CIA/FBI) share with other foreign entities.

And you could be right. Oswald traveled back and forth to the USSR and spent what, 5 years over there? IIRC, the public understanding is that he was "rejected" by the USSR and never could find a place there, so returned. It's possible that he was much more than that and yeah--if it were revealed that Oswald was actually acting as a direct agent of the USSR, that would be very bad, even today.

 

[HomerJS]

I see crazy people posting zerohedge and nutso consipriacy nonsense.

Oswald assassinating JFK has been roundly verified by the absolute facts of the case. The CIA was not involved. It's absolutely staggering that this kind of nonsense from the fringe elements persists to this day.

Why are you guys so terrified of the concept of being told things that are actually true?

If it was just Oswald there should have been no reason to classify anything. So why keep information secret then and now??

 

[zinfamous]

If it was just Oswald there should have been no reason to classify anything. So why keep information secret then and now??

see above

 

[HTFOff]

I see crazy people posting zerohedge and nutso consipriacy nonsense.

Oswald assassinating JFK has been roundly verified by the absolute facts of the case. The CIA was not involved. It's absolutely staggering that this kind of nonsense from the fringe elements persists to this day.

Why are you guys so terrified of the concept of being told things that are actually true?

Theres that neo-liberal state of mind that is slowly ruining the democrat party. Love it.

This need to prop up and keep on life support decades old modus operandi concocted during a right-wing dominated part of our governemnts history, in an already inveterate right-wing institution(s) - where does that shit come from?

Try being actual liberal where it matters for once.

 

[zinfamous]

Theres that neo-liberal state of mind that is slowly ruining the democrat party. Love it.

This need to prop up and keep on life support decades old modus operandi concocted during a right-wing dominated part of our governemnts history, in an already inveterate right-wing institution(s) - where does that shit come from?

Try being actual liberal where it matters for once.

wtf are you even talking about?

 

[IronWing]

I bet there's mind blowing evidence in those files.

 

[HTFOff]

wtf are you even talking about?

You're proposing keeping the documents sealed, in no certain terms. Why not release every known detail of an investigation of the assassination of a sitting president - 5 decades ago?

Oh, let's not ruffle feathers. That's why.

Neo-liberals - keeping dusty right-wing modus operandi alive and well in 2017.

Good on ya'.

 

[Jhhnn]

Roger Stone sits in for Alex Jones when Alex is on vacation. Figure it out from there.

 

[IronWing]

Roger Stone sits in for Alex Jones when Alex is on vacation. Figure it out from there.

Am I going to need a Stewball diagram for this exercise?

 

[zinfamous]

You're proposing keeping the documents sealed, in no certain terms. Why not release every known detail of an investigation of the assassination of a sitting president - 5 decades ago?

Oh, let's not ruffle feathers. That's why.

Neo-liberals - keeping dusty right-wing modus operandi alive and well in 2017.

Good on ya'.

I'll be sure to keep HTFOFF's definition of what he thinks liberals are or liberalism is very close to my heart, and remind myself that his offense is my offense, and will forever strive to be a better liberal, in the sense that HTFOFF so clearly knows what a liberal is.

 

[HomerJS]

I imagine the documents contain internal investigative methods and sourcing that, even if those people are dead, would compromise even current relationships this country and these groups (CIA/FBI) share with other foreign entities.

And you could be right. Oswald traveled back and forth to the USSR and spent what, 5 years over there? IIRC, the public understanding is that he was "rejected" by the USSR and never could find a place there, so returned. It's possible that he was much more than that and yeah--if it were revealed that Oswald was actually acting as a direct agent of the USSR, that would be very bad, even today.

I don't see how there could be repercussions now. Oswald dead and the USSR doesn't exist.

If by bad the government lying to people claiming there was no conspiracy, I don't see the damage 50+ years later

 

[HTFOff]

I'll be sure to keep HTFOFF's definition of what he thinks liberals are or liberalism is very close to my heart, and remind myself that his offense is my offense, and will forever strive to be a better liberal, in the sense that HTFOFF so clearly knows what a liberal is.

Thanks man.