Chrysler unveils the new Grand Cherokee

[piasabird]

Doesnt even look like a jeep.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

What substance did winnar post???
I saw no substance concerning his remarks on the article....
Then again it`s quite obvious winnar has not been himself since the Republican got owned in the election....

You want substance you would get it if it was almost anybody besides winnar and his warped perspective!!

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Whatever happened to offering a good selection of both competitive small cars *and* larger vehicles? At least Ford is getting that right, and GM is getting close.

The US companies have a hard time making small cars at a profit due to the high factory costs in UAW run plants.

I know Toyota and Honda both make small cars in the US. Perhaps they are losing money on those cars as well? Or perhaps it is the large volume of those cars that allows them to offset the cost of making them etc etc.

Perhaps the solution for Chrysler is to make the big cars in the US and import small cars via Fiat etc.

??? Ford makes a profit on the Focus, it's a good car in the segment, and it's selling very well. Ford is bringing the Fiesta out (subcompact 40mpg). They're not just doing this to help their fleet with CAFE bullshit, they're doing it because there's a demand for quality small cars, and it's nice to see a US carmaker with a competitive product finally.

The old Neons, Escorts, and Cadavaliers were no match for Civic and Corolla in comfort, features, safety, reliability, and so on. Now when you compare a Cobalt to a Corolla, or a Focus to a Civic, you find a much more level playing ground, with the cars trading top marks in various categories.

Ford also makes and markets the Focus worldwide. Chrysler doesn't have that ability which is certainly making life harder for them.

They don't really have anything worth mentioning as far as sedans go. They need the deal with Fiat because Fiat brings midsize sedans (Alfas, but still), not just compacts.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Failar111....do you even care to think/read about the shit you post here? All you are doing is regurgitating the same shit Rush Limbaugh spews out every morning. Please find a mind of your own....preferably a sane one.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

It's an epic win for anybody that wants to tow anything. I can't tow my boat or my camper with any of the other vehicles you have in your list. They might make better comute vehicles though .

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's

Jeep is only making SUV's because that's what Jeep is.
It's tupid to think that Chrysler would spend millions redesinging the Grand Cheroke and then just dump it when they were so close to unveiling it anyways. Him, lets just go burn some more money.

Jeep people are like VW people, they will buy Jeeps forever. The thing for Chrysler to do is not pump out as many as the factory can and produce just enough to meet demand.

The fact that people come in and jump a poster because of his views but don't actually address the topic of the post shows that they don't really have anything to counter the post with.

Kind of like watching Barney Frank get showed up by a college kid the other day. The kid asks a question and Barney yells and screams and calls the kid names, but never answers the question.

 

[CLite]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee is an incredible ride. Smoother than any of the others you listed, while still maintaining the ability to tow and go offroad. I personally drive a Honda Civic for my daily driver, since I have a 32 mile commute. However, my parents always had Jeep Grand Cherokees when I was growing up and they handle very well.

To break it down, the CR-V is a shitty ride. I have two friends with them, they are noisy as hell and you feel the road a lot more, and definitely can't tow or go off road. That said they do get good MPG, so whatever you looking for, but it is silly to compare to the two. The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a much finer product, which is why it costs more.

The Highlander, I apologize I don't know much about this car, it looks vastly underpowered compared to the JGC so of course it has better mpg.

The Pilot is just as expensive as the JGC really when you look at the options needed. It does not have nearly the same pickup, just look at the towing capactiy, 6500 lbs for Jeep and 3500 lbs for Pilot. It does appear to have more HP and Torque but that does not always correlate to better pickup, it depends on the power curves vs. RPM. I'm not sure about the drivability of the Pilot, but they really are two different kind of cars (8 capacity vs. 5).

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Every time Shitsler goes to bankruptcy times they are always producing guzzlers.

Tell me Losar000, how is making a product that can't sell for shit a good move by them?

It does sell.

I don't have to say anything more after smashp handed you your ass.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

The only epic fail is your post here. You mentioned not a single 30mpg suv. The best was 27, the lowest was 23. If this jeep was only designed to tow 3500lbs or less like the models you mentioned, it would be a lighter vehicle and get better fuel economy. But since it was designed for more, it has better frame(more weight) and other beefier parts. You cant have a light frame and tow large amounts.

As far as the engine goes, the 2009 model you mention is outclassed. However the 2011(the one being mentioned in the article) has significant power and fuel economy improvement. This also gives it another 1000 lbs in the towing capability. And that is without even adding the even bigger v8 hemi. The v8 hemi will 20mpg highway, which is the same as the 2009 v6. This is very good for a full size suv.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

It's an epic win for anybody that wants to tow anything. I can't tow my boat or my camper with any of the other vehicles you have in your list. They might make better comute vehicles though .

If you want to tow, be a real man and get a truck. They even come with full size cabs and leather like the JGC and get around the same mileage but more utility.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee is an incredible ride. Smoother than any of the others you listed, while still maintaining the ability to tow and go offroad. I personally drive a Honda Civic for my daily driver, since I have a 32 mile commute. However, my parents always had Jeep Grand Cherokees when I was growing up and they handle very well.

To break it down, the CR-V is a shitty ride. I have two friends with them, they are noisy as hell and you feel the road a lot more, and definitely can't tow or go off road. That said they do get good MPG, so whatever you looking for, but it is silly to compare to the two. The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a much finer product, which is why it costs more.

The Highlander, I apologize I don't know much about this car, it looks vastly underpowered compared to the JGC so of course it has better mpg.

The Pilot is just as expensive as the JGC really when you look at the options needed. It does not have nearly the same pickup, just look at the towing capactiy, 6500 lbs for Jeep and 3500 lbs for Pilot. It does appear to have more HP and Torque but that does not always correlate to better pickup, it depends on the power curves vs. RPM. I'm not sure about the drivability of the Pilot, but they really are two different kind of cars (8 capacity vs. 5).

Like I said in the above post, get a truck if you want to tow and offroad. There are a variety of trucks that will give you a "smooth ride" that you can also go offroading in and with around the same mileage. Why the fck would you offroad in a luxury SUV? ROFL. For the same money you can get a nice lift kit and pimp out a truck or real jeep. It's like rich lazy bastards who buy expensive Alienwares but for the same price but could get much better performance by getting BETTER components themselves.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

The only epic fail is your post here. You mentioned not a single 30mpg suv. The best was 27, the lowest was 23. If this jeep was only designed to tow 3500lbs or less like the models you mentioned, it would be a lighter vehicle and get better fuel economy. But since it was designed for more, it has better frame(more weight) and other beefier parts. You cant have a light frame and tow large amounts.

As far as the engine goes, the 2009 model you mention is outclassed. However the 2011(the one being mentioned in the article) has significant power and fuel economy improvement. This also gives it another 1000 lbs in the towing capability. And that is without even adding the even bigger v8 hemi. The v8 hemi will 20mpg highway, which is the same as the 2009 v6. This is very good for a full size suv.

1) I didn't introduce Hybrids because they would have flat out embarrassed the JGC (and the edmunds comparison tool only allows 4 other vehicles). FYI, the Mariner and Escape get 32mpg for the same fcking price or slightly less. Want to comment on that? Or did you want to comment on the fact that I used your requirements (extra size, mpg, capability) and showed that JGC was outclassed in almost every case except towing with other gas vehicles.

2) I don't give a sht if it's heavier and hence gets less mpg, that's an excuse. There's a reason why towing packages, for most smart car manufacturers, is optional. Epic fail. You market what sells (mpg, perf, and capacity), and the Jeep Grand Cherokee has had major declining sales every year except one since 2003 (scroll up):
2008 73,678 -39%
2007 120,937 -13%
2006 139,148 -35%
2005 213,584 18%
2004 182,313 -12%
2003 207,479
Why don't you address these numbers?

3) Yes, so at least you finally admit the 2009 model is outclassed.

4) Ohh, so now the 2011 model is going to get 1mpg less from 2009 but offer more power, excuse me while I faint. You still don't get it, do you? What sells in the SUV segment is mpg and capacity, not so much power. By 2011 we will have PHEV SUV's that will be getting >80mpg (assuming the family drives more than 40 miles and the fuel tank kicks in, otherwise it will cost no gas at all) as well as pure electric vehicles for a fraction more. Why the fck would families choose a 20mpg vehicle over ones that average >80 on a long trip/no gas at all? So soccer moms can pass that corvette faster? So soccer moms can offroad better with that extra power? So they can pull their boat once a year on vacation? I understand Chrysler is trying, as ElFenix listed above ("Chrysler is currently planning at least three hybrid vehicles, the Chrysler Aspen hybrid, Dodge Durango hybrid, and the Dodge Ram including HEMI engines.") but Ford's PHEV's will dust them in SUV sales.

5) Last, it's kind of funny that you're discussing 2011 when this company may not even exist by Q3, 2009.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee is an incredible ride. Smoother than any of the others you listed, while still maintaining the ability to tow and go offroad. I personally drive a Honda Civic for my daily driver, since I have a 32 mile commute. However, my parents always had Jeep Grand Cherokees when I was growing up and they handle very well.

To break it down, the CR-V is a shitty ride. I have two friends with them, they are noisy as hell and you feel the road a lot more, and definitely can't tow or go off road. That said they do get good MPG, so whatever you looking for, but it is silly to compare to the two. The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a much finer product, which is why it costs more.

The Highlander, I apologize I don't know much about this car, it looks vastly underpowered compared to the JGC so of course it has better mpg.

The Pilot is just as expensive as the JGC really when you look at the options needed. It does not have nearly the same pickup, just look at the towing capactiy, 6500 lbs for Jeep and 3500 lbs for Pilot. It does appear to have more HP and Torque but that does not always correlate to better pickup, it depends on the power curves vs. RPM. I'm not sure about the drivability of the Pilot, but they really are two different kind of cars (8 capacity vs. 5).

Like I said in the above post, get a truck if you want to tow and offroad. There are a variety of trucks that will give you a "smooth ride" that you can also go offroading in and with around the same mileage. Why the fck would you offroad in a luxury SUV? ROFL. For the same money you can get a nice lift kit and pimp out a truck or real jeep. It's like rich lazy bastards who buy expensive Alienwares but for the same price but could get much better performance by getting BETTER components themselves.

spoken like a true elitist...

what about people who have resources, may have to drive on muddy or bad roads, and would like a comfortable vehicle? They don't want a canvas sided bounce mobile... some people don't want to mess whith their vehicles, they want to buy a package because a vehicle is a commodity, not a do it yourself kit to them...

and what about people who want a fast pc, but aren't computer literate? they don't get to enjoy good performance because they don't want to learn how to build a pc?

nice of you to be making the rules...

 

[CLite]

Seriously, an elistist prick. My family did a lot of outdoors shit, we had our own kayacks/canoes/etc. The jeep was a great vehicle for reaching the river/etc., but also a great cruising vehicle on the highway. I really don't understand your rampant hate of the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It really is one of the better vehicles on the road.

 

[dahunan]

They need these things to keep their mechanics busy

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Like I said in the above post, get a truck if you want to tow and offroad. There are a variety of trucks that will give you a "smooth ride" that you can also go offroading in and with around the same mileage. Why the fck would you offroad in a luxury SUV? ROFL. For the same money you can get a nice lift kit and pimp out a truck or real jeep. It's like rich lazy bastards who buy expensive Alienwares but for the same price but could get much better performance by getting BETTER components themselves.

spoken like a true elitist...

what about people who have resources, may have to drive on muddy or bad roads, and would like a comfortable vehicle? They don't want a canvas sided bounce mobile... some people don't want to mess whith their vehicles, they want to buy a package because a vehicle is a commodity, not a do it yourself kit to them...

and what about people who want a fast pc, but aren't computer literate? they don't get to enjoy good performance because they don't want to learn how to build a pc?

nice of you to be making the rules...

Ok, if you want a comfy vehicle with 4 wheel drive to drive on "muddy or bad roads" there are tons of other options including The Jeep Compass. It's 8-11K less than the JGC and gets 4mpg more. Most people who want more power will drop the 39K for the V8 in either the Commander or Grand Cherokee, which means the V6 engine for the Cherokee is getting cannibalized (as evidenced by declining sales numbers). Not very smart marketing.

Most people who seriously offroad do put lift kits on their vehicles, nobody said anything about a canvas sided bounce mobile. It's still comfortable, just ask around. Many are quite happy with their regular jeeps b/c it's a superior offroad vehicle compared to the JGC. A stock JGC, in the offroading community is known as "luxury jeeping" and scoffed at b/c it isn't real offroading. The JGC simply doesn't have the capability that a modded jeep or truck has (for the same price as a stock JGC), yet at the same time it doesn't mean a jeep or truck can't be as "comfy". It really depends on what segment we're discussing:

a) the real offroad enthusiasts,
b) a rich mama's boy who goes through a couple big mud puddles to seem "cool", or
c) an older crowd who have to handle rough terrain to get to town.

a) wouldn't buy a JGC unless they're b), and c) has so many options to choose from that the V6 JGC is cannibalized by Jeep's own models as well as facing steep competition.

In my example, not making any "rules" up but stating that most enthusiast offroad buyers will not choose JGC over regular jeeps and trucks. It's mainly the posers who will buy them.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: CLite
Seriously, an elistist prick. My family did a lot of outdoors shit, we had our own kayacks/canoes/etc. The jeep was a great vehicle for reaching the river/etc., but also a great cruising vehicle on the highway. I really don't understand your rampant hate of the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It really is one of the better vehicles on the road.

I have no hate for it, in fact I like the V8 but not sure I would choose it over the Commander since it's bigger and I'm going to lose the mileage anyway. The problem is that Jeep has other better options than the V6 engine which I stated above, and proof is in the sales figures: it hasn't had a postive year in sales except for one since 2003.

 

[DukeN]

LOL another Chrysler product that looks like the rest of Chrysler's lineup of the past 20 years. No wonder people don't want their cars.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.

Compare the size and capability of 30mpg suv to the 20mpg suv. THe extra size and capabilith does not come for free and it is trade many people are willing to take. A full size sub getting 20 on the highway is not bad at all.

Ok, I took your advice and Jeep Grand Cherokee epically fails.

All 4 comparatively priced SUV's get better gas mileage, Max. Cargo Capacity.

1) The Honda CR-V gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 6 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $6,955 less.
2) The Toyota Highlander gets 27mpg to JGC's 21, has 28 more cubic feet of cargo and costs $4745 less.

The only thing the Jeep was tops in is Towing Capacity and Turning radius, whoopdedoo. Comparing engines, it doesn't even beat out the Pilot in Horsepower/torque yet still costs $2755 more. And if I'm spending 30K and up I'm buying the Lexus which blows the Pilot out the water on performance. Epic fail.

It's an epic win for anybody that wants to tow anything. I can't tow my boat or my camper with any of the other vehicles you have in your list. They might make better comute vehicles though .

If you want to tow, be a real man and get a truck. They even come with full size cabs and leather like the JGC and get around the same mileage but more utility.

FYI, I have a truck, but somehow I don't feel like that makes me more or less a man. Your inane responses just makes you seem like an asshole.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

If you want to tow, be a real man and get a truck. They even come with full size cabs and leather like the JGC and get around the same mileage but more utility.

FYI, I have a truck, but somehow I don't feel like that makes me more or less a man. Your inane responses just makes you seem like an asshole.

I was being facetious, but why don't you tow with your truck? Is it a 4 banger or something?

Take a look at these comparisons for towing.

All get within 1-2mpg, have more interior space (GMC is about the same), and are close in price (cept the GMC which is about 8K less than all of them).

For people who don't think trucks give as smooth a ride as the JGC, take a look at the notes in that comparison:

Ram Pickup 1500:
Unmatched ride quality for a truck, well-made interior, nifty storage spaces, powerful Hemi V8, loads of interior space.

Silverado 1500:
Refined and quiet ride, solid fit and finish inside, seats are comfortable for long drives, comprehensive list of safety equipment.

F-150:
Smooth and quiet ride, multiple cab and bed configurations, beefy towing and hauling capacities, attractive and functional cabin, responsive handling.

Sierra 1500:
Refined and quiet ride, pleasing fit and finish inside, seats are comfortable for long drives, comprehensive list of safety equipment.

Clearly these trucks can do anything the JGC can do with regards to smooth ride and towing. What JGC may do better is park in tighter spaces but you trade that with interior/exterior space.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

If you want to tow, be a real man and get a truck. They even come with full size cabs and leather like the JGC and get around the same mileage but more utility.

FYI, I have a truck, but somehow I don't feel like that makes me more or less a man. Your inane responses just makes you seem like an asshole.

I was being facetious, but why don't you tow with your truck? Is it a 4 banger or something?

Where did you get the idea that I don't tow with my truck?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

If you want to tow, be a real man and get a truck. They even come with full size cabs and leather like the JGC and get around the same mileage but more utility.

FYI, I have a truck, but somehow I don't feel like that makes me more or less a man. Your inane responses just makes you seem like an asshole.

I was being facetious, but why don't you tow with your truck? Is it a 4 banger or something?

Where did you get the idea that I don't tow with my truck?

So you own a JGC or you're just commenting? If you're commenting that it's an "epic win" for towing, I figured you had one and were speaking from RL experience. Otherwise you would know that you can tow up to 3500 lbs with 3 of the 4 I listed. Check this out. Big boats, no, but lightweight campers/boats yes. Depends on your needs ultimately.

All things considered, the trucks I listed above tow way more than the JGC, also provide a comfy ride on/off road, have more interior/exterior space, and are comparable in price and mpg. Unless you have a small garage I don't see any reason to buy a JGC over those trucks, but that's probably why its sales have been dropping over the years. Marketing needs to create a new identity because it's just mediocre in many areas and other vehicles specialize in meeting needs better.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon1) I didn't introduce Hybrids because they would have flat out embarrassed the JGC (and the edmunds comparison tool only allows 4 other vehicles). FYI, the Mariner and Escape get 32mpg for the same fcking price or slightly less. Want to comment on that? Or did you want to comment on the fact that I used your requirements (extra size, mpg, capability) and showed that JGC was outclassed in almost every case except towing with other gas vehicles.

And guess what those hybrids are smaller and less capability. I think they can only tow 1000 lbs. The only thing you have showed is there is trade off between capability and economy. But this something everyone knows.

2) I don't give a sht if it's heavier and hence gets less mpg, that's an excuse. There's a reason why towing packages, for most smart car manufacturers, is optional. Epic fail. You market what sells (mpg, perf, and capacity), and the Jeep Grand Cherokee has had major declining sales every year except one since 2003 (scroll up):

you may not need something that can tow, but others do. Being able to tow significanant amount increases weight and decreases economy. There is no way around this.

2008 73,678 -39%
2007 120,937 -13%
2006 139,148 -35%
2005 213,584 18%
2004 182,313 -12%
2003 207,479
Why don't you address these numbers?

high gas prices have forced people to reevaluate what they really need. WHen gas is cheap economy does not matter so much, but at $4/gallon things change. And pretty much everything is way off recently.

3) Yes, so at least you finally admit the 2009 model is outclassed.

The 3.6 v6 is outdated and out classed power wise by the 3 and 4 valve engines that the competition has. This has been rectified with the new model that is coming out. However this model has several other nice engines.

4) Ohh, so now the 2011 model is going to get 1mpg less from 2009 but offer more power, excuse me while I faint. You still don't get it, do you? What sells in the SUV segment is mpg and capacity, not so much power. By 2011 we will have PHEV SUV's that will be getting >80mpg (assuming the family drives more than 40 miles and the fuel tank kicks in, otherwise it will cost no gas at all) as well as pure electric vehicles for a fraction more. Why the fck would families choose a 20mpg vehicle over ones that average >80 on a long trip/no gas at all? So soccer moms can pass that corvette faster? So soccer moms can offroad better with that extra power? So they can pull their boat once a year on vacation? I understand Chrysler is trying, as ElFenix listed above ("Chrysler is currently planning at least three hybrid vehicles, the Chrysler Aspen hybrid, Dodge Durango hybrid, and the Dodge Ram including HEMI engines.") but Ford's PHEV's will dust them in SUV sales.

The 3.6 for the 2011 goes to 23 from 20. The v8 goes to 20, which is what the v6 was getting. Why would families chose a hybrid if they need to tow anything? This is all about engineering compromises, something you just dont seem to get.

5) Last, it's kind of funny that you're discussing 2011 when this company may not even exist by Q3, 2009.

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Considering the op is about 2011 model, I am not sure why we would be discussing anything else?