Chrysler unveils the new Grand Cherokee

[JSt0rm]

how can you guys say they make money on this jeep but in reality they lose money? I mean if the company makes money then they should give back the bailout money. If they don't make money but this tiny little segment makes money if it was alone then spin it off.

 

[theeedude]

I just don't see why we need to bail out Chrysler so they can sell us Fiats and SUVs which every other automaker is already making. What would we miss if we didn't bail them out?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Strk
ElFenix, for all intents and purposes, it was Daimler, which still has the system.

right, but chrysler llc has rights to use it, does it not?


edit: wikipedia:

Chrysler is currently planning at least three hybrid vehicles, the Chrysler Aspen hybrid, Dodge Durango hybrid, and the Dodge Ram including HEMI engines. Chrysler plans to use hybrid technology developed jointly with General Motors and BMW AG in vehicles beyond the two hybrid SUVs it had already announced to introduce in 2008.[36]
All-new Dodge Ram 1500 pickup will be available as a hybrid in 2010. The Dodge Ram HEMI Hybrid will combine a two-mode hybrid system with a 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine.

edit2: chrysler llc appears to have started working on alternative drive systems almost immediately after buying chrysler from ze germans:

Chrysler intends to pursue new drive concepts through ENVI, an in-house organization formed to focus on electric-drive vehicles and related technologies. Established in September, 2007, Chrysler's ENVI division led by Lou Rhodes specifically deals with new all-electric and hybrid vehicles not based on existing models.

the problem for chrysler llc is that the buyout left the company with practically no money and it was probably leveraged to the hilt. the way LBOs typically work is that the new management comes in, cleans house, and then sells the much better performing company (usually to the public). a car company may not be the right sort of company for that, though, as they need at least a 3 year horizon for planning new products, and more likely 5 or 6 years. chrysler llc took over from ze germans in late 2007 so they're still running with stuff that was in the pipe when ze germans decided to run the company into the ground.

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
how can you guys say they make money on this jeep but in reality they lose money? I mean if the company makes money then they should give back the bailout money. If they don't make money but this tiny little segment makes money if it was alone then spin it off.

you don't sell off your profitable product lines when you're dying for cash.

mcdonalds at best probably barely breaks even on sandwiches. yet mcdonalds is profitable because they make gobs of money on coke and fries.

 

[TheSlamma]

Every time Shitsler goes to bankruptcy times they are always producing guzzlers.

Tell me Losar000, how is making a product that can't sell for shit a good move by them?

 

[cubeless]

y'all gotta remember that there's a couple little problems with big (and small) hybrids:

1) running the a/c - if you have a car full of people in a hot or cold climate, you will not be turning off the engine, and you will lose much of the advantage

2) doing real truck work - when you are towing or hauling you need the horsepower that the engine creates... you will have to have a big enough engine to sustain the vehicle for extended periods of time...

in the real world hybrids have some big shortfalls... that's a big piece of why they aren't universal - customers don't want to accept the compromises that are built in...

i just wonder why someone hasn't done a locomotive type thing with a super efficient generator driving an all electric system... plug it in at night and use the genset as needed...

 

[heyheybooboo]

Chrysler didn't make money selling 300k Grand Cherokees a year 10 years ago. How can they make money now selling less than 1/3 of that number and pay back $10 billion to the Fed?

 

[ericlp]

I dunno - I think 20MPG for any truck or SUV is respectable MPG since it's a grand cherokee is kinda heavy and obviously the bigger / heavier it is the must gas your gonna suck down.

As for the OP trying to make his point as a GAS GUZZLER well, yeah if they brought in a new hummer I could see your point but so far all I see is more trolling. Keep it up your doing a fine job!

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Every time Shitsler goes to bankruptcy times they are always producing guzzlers.

Tell me Losar000, how is making a product that can't sell for shit a good move by them?

It does sell.

 

[sapiens74]

I don't like Jeeps

I never understood paying full price for a vehicle with a canvas top

Wait.... what was the topic again?

 

[smashp]

"Chrysler has sold about 4 million Grand Cherokees during its 17-year run. Annual sales in the U.S. averaged 184,000 this decade, including last year, when the figure plummeted to 73,678, according to Autodata Corp. in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey. Grand Cherokee was Jeep?s second-bestselling model in March, after the smaller Wrangler. "

Chrysler Unveils Jeep Grand Cherokee Touted in Recovery Plan



Lets Look at grand Cherokee sales numbers by year

2008 73,678 -39%
2007 120,937 -13%
2006 139,148 -35%
2005 213,584 18%
2004 182,313 -12%
2003 207,479

MY SOURCE


Oh and By the Way, So far this year sales are donwn 47% YTD compared to the same period last year


And its Jeep's second "best selling model"

Its funny when you look at the numbers and the Durango has experienced yearly double digit sales decline every year since 2004

The Ram has also experienced a decline every year as well as the dakota

Lets add to this shall we

Sales in 2008
Ram 245,840
Durango 21,420
Dakota 26,044


Sales in 2003

Ram 449,371
Durango 108,010
Dakota 111,273



Buts its all the socialistic big governments fault for wanting to Kill their "profitable" divisions

I take it we cam blame This on the "radical Left wing agenda"

I mean the proof is all there People really want these cars....... unless.....

....the evil tree-hugging, Castro loving, Pot-smoking, tofu eating, enviro-whackos infiltrated Chrysler and "modified" their sales numbers to make the facts line up with the radical agenda set out by their elitist liberal Comrades

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
You're fucking ridiculous.

Someone doesn't like patriotic Americans.

What's patriotic about a gas-guzzling monster truck? Oh yeah, you're a Republican.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

So how do you feel about Government throwing money at private military contractors?

 

[1prophet]

How about good paying jobs that enable people to buy vehicles that car companies are trying to sell?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

See my post for some real substance

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

So how do you feel about Government throwing money at private military contractors?

Are we bailing out a failing private military contractor? If not, then the two are completely dissimilar. The government outsources much work to private companies. The point here is the bailout of industries who should either stand on their own or fail on their own.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's

If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

Because sales are dwindling and when sales fall too much, they stop becoming profitable, Its a simple business concept to understand................for most

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: smashp
"Chrysler has sold about 4 million Grand Cherokees during its 17-year run. Annual sales in the U.S. averaged 184,000 this decade, including last year, when the figure plummeted to 73,678, according to Autodata Corp. in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey. Grand Cherokee was Jeep?s second-bestselling model in March, after the smaller Wrangler. "

Chrysler Unveils Jeep Grand Cherokee Touted in Recovery Plan



Lets Look at grand Cherokee sales numbers by year

2008 73,678 -39%
2007 120,937 -13%
2006 139,148 -35%
2005 213,584 18%
2004 182,313 -12%
2003 207,479

MY SOURCE


Oh and By the Way, So far this year sales are donwn 47% YTD compared to the same period last year


And its Jeep's second "best selling model"

Its funny when you look at the numbers and the Durango has experienced yearly double digit sales decline every year since 2004

The Ram has also experienced a decline every year as well as the dakota

Lets add to this shall we

Sales in 2008
Ram 245,840
Durango 21,420
Dakota 26,044


Sales in 2003

Ram 449,371
Durango 108,010
Dakota 111,273

Conclusion: Chrysler isn't selling a gd thing and this company, along with the JGCherokee, all need to go. /thread.

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: smashp
"Chrysler has sold about 4 million Grand Cherokees during its 17-year run. Annual sales in the U.S. averaged 184,000 this decade, including last year, when the figure plummeted to 73,678, according to Autodata Corp. in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey. Grand Cherokee was Jeep?s second-bestselling model in March, after the smaller Wrangler. "

Chrysler Unveils Jeep Grand Cherokee Touted in Recovery Plan



Lets Look at grand Cherokee sales numbers by year

2008 73,678 -39%
2007 120,937 -13%
2006 139,148 -35%
2005 213,584 18%
2004 182,313 -12%
2003 207,479

MY SOURCE


Oh and By the Way, So far this year sales are donwn 47% YTD compared to the same period last year


And its Jeep's second "best selling model"

Its funny when you look at the numbers and the Durango has experienced yearly double digit sales decline every year since 2004

The Ram has also experienced a decline every year as well as the dakota

Lets add to this shall we

Sales in 2008
Ram 245,840
Durango 21,420
Dakota 26,044


Sales in 2003

Ram 449,371
Durango 108,010
Dakota 111,273

Conclusion: Chrysler isn't selling a gd thing and this company, along with the JGCherokee, all need to go. /thread.

Nah, according to Winnar, Chrysler is the good old american company fighting back against leftist anti-american communism and showing what America wants.

Problem is, America isn't buying right now. Probably due to the leftist commies too.

It was funny, I saw this thread posted by Winnar, and I was looking forward to read what partisan tripe he would use to somehow take a Chrysler move as a way to bash Democrats.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Whatever happened to offering a good selection of both competitive small cars *and* larger vehicles? At least Ford is getting that right, and GM is getting close.

The US companies have a hard time making small cars at a profit due to the high factory costs in UAW run plants.

I know Toyota and Honda both make small cars in the US. Perhaps they are losing money on those cars as well? Or perhaps it is the large volume of those cars that allows them to offset the cost of making them etc etc.

Perhaps the solution for Chrysler is to make the big cars in the US and import small cars via Fiat etc.

??? Ford makes a profit on the Focus, it's a good car in the segment, and it's selling very well. Ford is bringing the Fiesta out (subcompact 40mpg). They're not just doing this to help their fleet with CAFE bullshit, they're doing it because there's a demand for quality small cars, and it's nice to see a US carmaker with a competitive product finally.

The old Neons, Escorts, and Cadavaliers were no match for Civic and Corolla in comfort, features, safety, reliability, and so on. Now when you compare a Cobalt to a Corolla, or a Focus to a Civic, you find a much more level playing ground, with the cars trading top marks in various categories.

Ford also makes and markets the Focus worldwide. Chrysler doesn't have that ability which is certainly making life harder for them.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I dunno - I think 20MPG for any truck or SUV is respectable MPG since it's a grand cherokee is kinda heavy and obviously the bigger / heavier it is the must gas your gonna suck down.

As for the OP trying to make his point as a GAS GUZZLER well, yeah if they brought in a new hummer I could see your point but so far all I see is more trolling. Keep it up your doing a fine job!

Obama knows a good business plan, just look what he has done with the economy, he can do the same for GM and Chrysler.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
You're fucking ridiculous.

:thumbsup:

:beer:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
You're fucking ridiculous.

:thumbsup:

:beer:

:heart:

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: ericlp
I dunno - I think 20MPG for any truck or SUV is respectable MPG since it's a grand cherokee is kinda heavy and obviously the bigger / heavier it is the must gas your gonna suck down.

As for the OP trying to make his point as a GAS GUZZLER well, yeah if they brought in a new hummer I could see your point but so far all I see is more trolling. Keep it up your doing a fine job!

Obama knows a good business plan, just look what he has done with the economy, he can do the same for GM and Chrysler.

Righto there wingnut. The economy is ALL Obama's fault right, cause we all know he was president these past 8 years.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: winnar111

3 cheers for Chrysler for defying the radical leftist agenda.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's

If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

Because sales are dwindling and when sales fall too much, they stop becoming profitable, Its a simple business concept to understand................for most

no, one of the main reasons that they can't just sell trucks is the combined fuel economy requirement... you need little cars to get your fleet average up...