Chrysler unveils the new Grand Cherokee

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NEW YORK ? It sounds crazy: Just a week after the White House scolded Chrysler LLC for relying too much on gas guzzlers, the company is heading to a marquee auto show Wednesday to unveil a new SUV.

Chrysler insists the Jeep Grand Cherokee, which clocks in at 20 mpg in its two-wheel-drive version and 19 in four-wheel-drive, is a crowd favorite and a crucial part of its lineup.

"This is a very important vehicle for us. It's one of the primary legs of the Chrysler stool," Chrysler spokesman Rick Deneau said. "Customers have told us they want this vehicle and that it's the right size."

The 2011 model is 11 percent more fuel efficient than its predecessor, powered by a cleaner and more powerful engine. Still, Chrysler's decision to debut an SUV as its only new car at the New York International Auto Show seems like odd timing to say the least.

On March 30, the Obama administration issued a scathing rejection of the company's survival plan and gave it 30 days to secure a merger with another automaker, most likely Italy's Fiat SpA.

The White House slammed Chrysler for having a product lineup so heavily weighted with trucks and SUVs. It added that the automaker does not have enough products in the pipeline to meet an expected increase in demand for small cars.

But Chrysler is standing by the Grand Cherokee. It's profitable, recognizable and the No. 2-selling vehicle in the Jeep lineup. Grand Cherokee sales fell by almost half during the first three months of the year, but its market share has remained steady, according to Autodata Corp.

"It is one of their most important vehicles," said John Wolconowicz, senior automotive analyst for the consulting firm IHS-Global Insight. "The market for SUVs has not completely gone away, particularly for smaller ones like the Grand Cherokee."

And Chrysler, which is clinging to a $4 billion taxpayer lifeline, has little choice but to focus on the present.

The automaker expects its tentative partnership with Fiat to plug the holes in its small-car offerings. It hopes fuel-efficient Fiat cars, like the two-seater 500, will sell on this side of the Atlantic.

But even if an alliance with Fiat goes through, the Italian automaker's vehicles wouldn't make it to the U.S. until 2011. That means that until then, Chrysler has little choice but to survive on revenue from its current vehicle lineup.

"I think it's going to be written up as being out of touch, but from a business standpoint, I think it's the right thing to be doing," Wolconowicz said of the Jeep's unveiling.

In fact, the new Grand Cherokee's new engine does manage to eke out higher fuel economy on top of additional power. Assuming a customer opts for the 20 mpg Cherokee, that means a driver who logs 10,000 miles in a year will spend about $1,020 on gas at today's prices.

The Grand Cherokee also features an air suspension system that lowers the vehicle at higher speeds to improve aerodynamics and fuel efficiency, while also delivering 33 percent better horsepower than its predecessor.

Still, it's no gas sipper. A 2009 Toyota Camry, by contrast, gets 26 mpg and would cost the same driver $785 per year in gas.

The Cherokee is the first of two dozen vehicles that Chrysler, widely believed to be the weakest of the Big Three automakers, says it plans to unveil over the next four years. If the automaker secures a merger along with concessions from its union and other stakeholders, the $6 billion in additional loans promised by the federal government will certainly help it reach that goal.

Karl Brauer, editor in chief of the automotive Web site Edmunds.com, said it may be hard for Chrysler to please both the government, which is demanding greater fuel efficiency from the Big Three, and its customers, many of whom still demand big cars.

"It would be far more foolish for Chrysler to abandon its core competencies in the Jeep brand lineup than it is to come out with a new" Grand Cherokee, Brauer said.

As Wolconowicz put it: "To some extent, it's refreshing to me to see them not kowtowing to the government."



3 cheers for Chrysler for defying the radical leftist agenda.

Government is the problem, not the solution, as has been demonstrated here and many other times. No sane private organization would give companies funds and then kill their profitable divisions as Democrats have done with Big Auto and AIG.
 

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: winnar111
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You're fucking ridiculous.

Someone doesn't like patriotic Americans.

Yeah, why do republicans hate patriotic americans anyway?

They're not the ones trying to take over and destroy the auto companies through their obsession.
 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
They're not the ones trying to take over and destroy the auto companies through their obsession.

The auto companies seemed to do a pretty good job of that all on their own.

KT
 

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was waiting on a thread on this...

the question here is: are cars bigger than a prius going to be illegal?

i didn't think i was a criminal when i had 4 kids and bought a boat and carry around the school band and grew up to be 6'5'' tall...

i buy trucks because i use the capacity that trucks afford... having to take 2 little cars is less efficient than taking one large vehicle...
 

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My questions are:

1) How profitable has this vehicle been during the last 3 years?

2) If profitable, can they prove a loyal base exists (data on repeat customers)?

3) If 2, then I don't see why they shouldn't keep producing it. But all things considered, it gets 20mpg which is lame. To not try and innovate beyond 20mpg is pure stupidity and I don't care how loyal your customers are; eventually your base will go to an SUV that gets 30mpg for the same price and options.
 

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So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.
 

evident

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not only are you a lunatic, you like chrysler. i hope their merger w/ fiat goes well though.

how do you spin this into anti-left rhetoric?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
 

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

Exactly. Sheesh, I would never make any product that I lost money on. If I produced a 50 mpg car that I lost $2000 per vehicle sold and also produced a 20mpg truck on which I made $5000, well it takes no fracking genius to figure out what to do.

Why do people think (or not actually) why Toyata and Nissan et al all entered the big SUV market? Because it's a MONEY MAKER!
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

because sometimes gasprices spike to $4 gallon and then chrysler has a problem. Putting all your eggs in one basket leaves you pretty vulnerable as a company.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

Exactly. Sheesh, I would never make any product that I lost money on. If I produced a 50 mpg car that I lost $2000 per vehicle sold and also produced a 20mpg truck on which I made $5000, well it takes no fracking genius to figure out what to do.

Why do people think (or not actually) why Toyata and Nissan et al all entered the big SUV market? Because it's a MONEY MAKER!

last i checked toyota/nissan/honda has lost billions on their respective suv/truck programs.

its not like building trucks is a bad thing, because many people actually need them. It's the over reliance on them that is the problem.
 

retrospooty

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Winnar, you sound more and more like a child every day. Dont worry - someday when your a big boy, you'll understand. =)
 

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I do not understand why they insisted on making the vehicle more fuel effecient, but refuse to put in a hybrid engine instead....

my bro in law was looking for a 4wd suv with a hybrid engine and he couldn't find none..
 

geno

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

Are they making money off of them?

The Durango doesn't sell
The Nitro doesn't sell
The Compass doesn't sell
The Aspen doesn't sell
The Caliber is on the decline

And they axed the Commander because they couldn't sell them without marking them down 30%

They have way too many SUVs in their lineup and need to put more eggs in the same basket. That being said, they would be stupid to get rid of the Cherokee, so that artcile in the OP is dumb for thinking Chrysler should feel pressure to get rid of its most successful and consistent nameplate ever (I'd say along with the Wrangler). What they should feel pressure about is the above examples, among some others. They have way too much overlap and we've all seen how much that can hurt a company.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
So we have a bunch of winnar bashing and no substance from his opponents? I guess he struck a chord. This is one of the many reasons that it's ridiculous for the government to be throwing money at private industry.

read the article (like actually read it)

read the commentary

its not a problem of them making suv's, its the fact that they are only making suv's
If they only make money on SUV's then why should they make anything else??

Exactly. Sheesh, I would never make any product that I lost money on. If I produced a 50 mpg car that I lost $2000 per vehicle sold and also produced a 20mpg truck on which I made $5000, well it takes no fracking genius to figure out what to do.

Why do people think (or not actually) why Toyata and Nissan et al all entered the big SUV market? Because it's a MONEY MAKER!

last i checked toyota/nissan/honda has lost billions on their respective suv/truck programs.

its not like building trucks is a bad thing, because many people actually need them. It's the over reliance on them that is the problem.

No company enters a market if it is not expected to be profitable and it was enormously profitable for a period of time.

Now, we are in a recession so people first aren't buying and what they are buying are not 50 mpg cars. The prius is piling up on docks as are many other small cars. But SUVs and trucks aren't selling because no one is spending even though gas is relatively cheap.

When the economy turns around and gas stays under $4, SUVs/trucks will lead the company's back to the black. If gas is expensive, big vehicles will not sell well. Bottom line, the market decides and company's either go with the market or go out of business.