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Chrysler to eliminate 13,000 jobs

sonoma1993

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About 13,000 Chrysler workers will lose their jobs under a plan designed to cut the struggling automaker's costs and return it to profitability by next year.


The plan, announced Wednesday, also calls for closing the company's Newark, Del., assembly plant, and reducing shifts at plants in Warren, Mich., and St. Louis. A parts distribution center near Cleveland also will be closed.

Under the plan, 11,000 production workers ? 9,000 in the U.S. and 2,000 in Canada ? will lose their jobs over the next three years, and 2,000 salaried jobs also will be cut ? 1,000 this year and 1,000 in 2008. The job cuts are the latest in a yearlong series of devastating cuts in the ailing domestic auto industry, which likely will lose more than 100,000 jobs in all.

The restructuring announcement was made in Auburn Hills, the home to DaimlerChrysler AG's U.S.-based operations.


cut 13,000 jobs


DaimlerChrysler raised the prospect of parting company with its loss-making U.S. Chrysler arm on Wednesday, a move which could unwind a blockbusting 1998 merger creating the world's No. 5 car maker.


The group said it would review all options for its Chrysler operations.

The announcement ahead of a news conference in Detroit -- the home of the U.S. auto industry -- to outline its turnaround strategy for Chrysler sent the group's stock up more than 5 percent to its highest level since June 2002.


daimler looking to sell chrysler

well this isn't looking to good for chrysler. Our American auto industry just can't catch a break. But that what happens when you focus your company on trying to sell alot of suv's and trucks.
 
catch a break requires having cars that people want.

Since the 300 what have they offered that really took off? In a world where people complain about SUVs sucking gas DC lineup consists of gas guzzling V8 HEMI powered cars and trucks.

I won't even touch their reliability.


Look, until the workers at American Auto Companies feel that their jobs are truly threatened they won't step up to the plate to increase quality nor will they work with their true employers either. Stuck in the 60s the UAW and American auto companies are.
 
I wouldn't blame the unions for the quality of the cars. They just assemble what has already been designed, which too often is poor quality. My last Saturn that I owned was built out of such cheap quality plastics inside that the best assembly workers in the world aren't going to be able to make a nice car out of it. That's a management decision, not assembly.
 
Yup, Unions have nothing to do with it and the constant whining about Unions probably is part of the reason the Big 3 just keep getting closer to extinction. Quality, Design, Fuel Efficiency!! <<< has nothing to do with Unions, but everything to do with why Imports are taking over the Market.
 
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.

I don't know about you, but last time I checked, toyota and many other of the foreign car company have plants in America that employ American people. Those foreign cars are being built here by Americans. Where as ford and gm has been sending our jobs to Mexico. Sure they still build some stuff here.
 
i like being an outsider looking in, it gives a person a very different perspective, some may say clearer, and living in England but looking at the American car market what i can see is a massive want of smaller more efficient stylish cars. Now for some unknown reason the big 3 American car producers seem to have there fingers in their ears, blindly ignoring this and producing cards that get 12 to 18 miles to the gallon. If you produced a car in England or indeed in Europe that had such TERRIBLE fuel economy your company would go bankrupt within a month.

i cannot understand this obsession your car giants have. its all very puzzling. you'd think the fact that TOYOTA will become the worlds largest car manufacturer this year would make the US car giants think about there product lines but apparently not.
 
Originally posted by: locutus12
i like being an outsider looking in, it gives a person a very different perspective, some may say clearer, and living in England but looking at the American car market what i can see is a massive want of smaller more efficient stylish cars. Now for some unknown reason the big 3 American car producers seem to have there fingers in their ears, blindly ignoring this and producing cards that get 12 to 18 miles to the gallon. If you produced a car in England or indeed in Europe that had such TERRIBLE fuel economy your company would go bankrupt within a month.

i cannot understand this obsession your car giants have. its all very puzzling. you'd think the fact that TOYOTA will become the worlds largest car manufacturer this year would make the US car giants think about there product lines but apparently not.


I agree with you. The American Auto companies have been lately producing bigger cars with bigger engines. For instance the dodge charger and Chrysler 300, those car are like tanks I think. Chrysler been pushing to sell these cars with the hemi v8. Chevy now is offering a Impala with av8. Why does a fwd car need a v8?
 
Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.

I don't know about you, but last time I checked, toyota and many other of the foreign car company have plants in America that employ American people. Those foreign cars are being built here by Americans. Where as ford and gm has been sending our jobs to Mexico. Sure they still build some stuff here.

Bingo. I would rather buy a Japanese (or Korean or whatever) car built in the USA vs a "so called" domestic (Ford, GM, Chrysler) built in Mexico or abroad.
 
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I wouldn't blame the unions for the quality of the cars. They just assemble what has already been designed, which too often is poor quality. My last Saturn that I owned was built out of such cheap quality plastics inside that the best assembly workers in the world aren't going to be able to make a nice car out of it. That's a management decision, not assembly.

Obviously you know no one who works there now do you. I do, two actually.

One worked at the Ford plant down here in Atlanta, a good friend's mother. The other used to work for GM in Ohio till he got tired of going no where.

Both had similar stories. First rule, never buy a car within weeks of a new contract being negotiated or until months after is setup. Second rule, if you order a car don't do so when there is a chance it will get built during major holidays.

Basically you have a work environment where its okay to be a goof. Sure the majority of union workers at these plants are good employees, but the goofs cause them all hell. Want to introduce rattles? Bubble gum. Fracturing plastic clips is another time honored tradition. Not using the proper amount of sealant around windshields. Purposely stretching wire connections. Over revving the engine is fun too.

Now if you know someone on the inside you can get free stuff, provided they can link your car to you. Want that upgraded radio? Thats an easy one, under the seat or spare it goes. Putting in heated seats without the obvious heat controls (hint, under the center line tunnel carpet) is not hard either.


Nah, it ain't all just bean counters that make for crap cars. It ain't all union workers but too many get away with being drunk on the job or under the influence of drugs. Can't be fired unless someone gets hurt, and even then some can't be fired.
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I wouldn't blame the unions for the quality of the cars. They just assemble what has already been designed, which too often is poor quality. My last Saturn that I owned was built out of such cheap quality plastics inside that the best assembly workers in the world aren't going to be able to make a nice car out of it. That's a management decision, not assembly.

Obviously you know no one who works there now do you. I do, two actually.

One worked at the Ford plant down here in Atlanta, a good friend's mother. The other used to work for GM in Ohio till he got tired of going no where.

Both had similar stories. First rule, never buy a car within weeks of a new contract being negotiated or until months after is setup. Second rule, if you order a car don't do so when there is a chance it will get built during major holidays.

Basically you have a work environment where its okay to be a goof. Sure the majority of union workers at these plants are good employees, but the goofs cause them all hell. Want to introduce rattles? Bubble gum. Fracturing plastic clips is another time honored tradition. Not using the proper amount of sealant around windshields. Purposely stretching wire connections. Over revving the engine is fun too.

Now if you know someone on the inside you can get free stuff, provided they can link your car to you. Want that upgraded radio? Thats an easy one, under the seat or spare it goes. Putting in heated seats without the obvious heat controls (hint, under the center line tunnel carpet) is not hard either.


Nah, it ain't all just bean counters that make for crap cars. It ain't all union workers but too many get away with being drunk on the job or under the influence of drugs. Can't be fired unless someone gets hurt, and even then some can't be fired.

uhuh, whhatever :roll:
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I wouldn't blame the unions for the quality of the cars. They just assemble what has already been designed, which too often is poor quality. My last Saturn that I owned was built out of such cheap quality plastics inside that the best assembly workers in the world aren't going to be able to make a nice car out of it. That's a management decision, not assembly.

Obviously you know no one who works there now do you. I do, two actually.

One worked at the Ford plant down here in Atlanta, a good friend's mother. The other used to work for GM in Ohio till he got tired of going no where.

Both had similar stories. First rule, never buy a car within weeks of a new contract being negotiated or until months after is setup. Second rule, if you order a car don't do so when there is a chance it will get built during major holidays.

Basically you have a work environment where its okay to be a goof. Sure the majority of union workers at these plants are good employees, but the goofs cause them all hell. Want to introduce rattles? Bubble gum. Fracturing plastic clips is another time honored tradition. Not using the proper amount of sealant around windshields. Purposely stretching wire connections. Over revving the engine is fun too.

Now if you know someone on the inside you can get free stuff, provided they can link your car to you. Want that upgraded radio? Thats an easy one, under the seat or spare it goes. Putting in heated seats without the obvious heat controls (hint, under the center line tunnel carpet) is not hard either.


Nah, it ain't all just bean counters that make for crap cars. It ain't all union workers but too many get away with being drunk on the job or under the influence of drugs. Can't be fired unless someone gets hurt, and even then some can't be fired.

uhuh, whhatever :roll:

Great comeback :roll:

Shivetya's point is that it's just as much as the union's fault as it is managements.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Slick5150
I wouldn't blame the unions for the quality of the cars. They just assemble what has already been designed, which too often is poor quality. My last Saturn that I owned was built out of such cheap quality plastics inside that the best assembly workers in the world aren't going to be able to make a nice car out of it. That's a management decision, not assembly.

Obviously you know no one who works there now do you. I do, two actually.

One worked at the Ford plant down here in Atlanta, a good friend's mother. The other used to work for GM in Ohio till he got tired of going no where.

Both had similar stories. First rule, never buy a car within weeks of a new contract being negotiated or until months after is setup. Second rule, if you order a car don't do so when there is a chance it will get built during major holidays.

Basically you have a work environment where its okay to be a goof. Sure the majority of union workers at these plants are good employees, but the goofs cause them all hell. Want to introduce rattles? Bubble gum. Fracturing plastic clips is another time honored tradition. Not using the proper amount of sealant around windshields. Purposely stretching wire connections. Over revving the engine is fun too.

Now if you know someone on the inside you can get free stuff, provided they can link your car to you. Want that upgraded radio? Thats an easy one, under the seat or spare it goes. Putting in heated seats without the obvious heat controls (hint, under the center line tunnel carpet) is not hard either.


Nah, it ain't all just bean counters that make for crap cars. It ain't all union workers but too many get away with being drunk on the job or under the influence of drugs. Can't be fired unless someone gets hurt, and even then some can't be fired.

uhuh, whhatever :roll:

Great comeback :roll:

Shivetya's point is that it's just as much as the union's fault as it is managements.

I got his "point", it's just BS.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Yup, Unions have nothing to do with it and the constant whining about Unions probably is part of the reason the Big 3 just keep getting closer to extinction. Quality, Design, Fuel Efficiency!! <<< has nothing to do with Unions, but everything to do with why Imports are taking over the Market.

so, you're saying that the huge costs associated with the labor force has nothing to do with the companies trying to pinch pennies elsewhere?

Originally posted by: locutus12
i like being an outsider looking in, it gives a person a very different perspective, some may say clearer, and living in England but looking at the American car market what i can see is a massive want of smaller more efficient stylish cars. Now for some unknown reason the big 3 American car producers seem to have there fingers in their ears, blindly ignoring this and producing cards that get 12 to 18 miles to the gallon. If you produced a car in England or indeed in Europe that had such TERRIBLE fuel economy your company would go bankrupt within a month.

i cannot understand this obsession your car giants have. its all very puzzling. you'd think the fact that TOYOTA will become the worlds largest car manufacturer this year would make the US car giants think about there product lines but apparently not.

our government hasn't decided that we should all ride public transit and doesn't tax the sh!t out of gas to subsidize it is the reason. everyone likes more speed and power and we get it more cheaply than you guys do.

combine that with the fact that only recently have small cars become something other than cheap econoboxes (on which US car companies lose money and which consumers generally disparage and dislike), and you understand why companies over here make big cars with big engines.

Chevy now is offering a Impala with av8. Why does a fwd car need a v8?
for that matter, why does one need a V6?
 
Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.

I don't know about you, but last time I checked, toyota and many other of the foreign car company have plants in America that employ American people. Those foreign cars are being built here by Americans. Where as ford and gm has been sending our jobs to Mexico. Sure they still build some stuff here.

All of the Ford vehicles my family own are built in America. Parts might come from other countries, but the vehicle is assembled on US soil (at least according to the documentation).
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.

I don't know about you, but last time I checked, toyota and many other of the foreign car company have plants in America that employ American people. Those foreign cars are being built here by Americans. Where as ford and gm has been sending our jobs to Mexico. Sure they still build some stuff here.

Bingo. I would rather buy a Japanese (or Korean or whatever) car built in the USA vs a "so called" domestic (Ford, GM, Chrysler) built in Mexico or abroad.
I don't exactly buy the made in America by Americans bit. See the article below. Not only are less than half the parts made in the US, it should be borne in mind that nearly all the R&D money is being sent to Japan, as are the profits. Neither of which benefits the US economy.

As far as quality is concerned, while US autos may not be at the top, they are certainly not as bad as people claim they are. See this J D Powers press release on 2006 quality. Cadillac, GMS Chrysler, Chevy, Lincoln are above the industry average, and certainly above Audi, Volvo, Mercedes, Scion, Mazda VW etc.

On a personal note, my US branded and built SUV costs me less to run and maintain that the imports driven by the rest of my family and my sisters family, even though I drive the most miles (almost double the others). Go figure.



http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...D=/20070213/BUSINESS01/702130401&imw=Y
Toyota fears U.S. backlash over gains

It cites political, social risks

February 13, 2007

BY JOE GUY COLLIER and JUSTIN HYDE

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITERS

Toyota Motor Corp. is bracing for possible political and consumer backlash caused by its rapid U.S. growth, according to an internal report obtained by the Free Press.

Toyota executives have publicly downplayed the importance of predictions that the Japan-based company will pass General Motors Corp. this year as the world's largest automaker. But the Toyota report says the company could face criticism because its U.S. sales are increasing while Detroit's automakers are losing sales and shuttering plants.

"With recent market-share gains and sales continuing to increase, we are becoming the de facto leader of the industry -- that brings risks and responsibilities," according to a presentation by Seiichi (Sean) Sudo, president of Toyota Engineering & Manufacturing in North America. "Our competitors are jealous of our success."

Detroit's congressional allies of GM, Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group say it's not jealousy. They say Japanese automakers are exploiting an artificially weak yen to make their products more affordable.

U.S. Rep. Sander Levin, D-Royal Oak, said he is considering legislation aimed at pressuring Japan and other countries to stop manipulating their currencies to boost exports.

Japanese automakers "are importing the more expensive cars to the U.S., and getting the benefit of the yen imbalance," Levin said. Japan has "a clear-cut set of policies, and we don't have any."

In the briefing to other Toyota managers, Sudo cited political and social risks. The report, left unsecured on computers at the company's Georgetown, Ky., complex, said Toyota could come under fire for:

? Selling vehicles to U.S. customers with high proportions of foreign-made parts. Less than half of all content of Toyota vehicles sold in the United States is made in the United States or Canada.

? Not including enough minority-owned businesses in its supplier base. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, leader of the Rainbow PUSH activist group, has asked Toyota to improve diversity efforts.

? Leaving a vacuum in U.S. communities as GM, Ford, Chrysler and their suppliers shed plants and workers.

"A Democratic Congress, particularly those members with districts hit by Big 3 and supplier plant closings, may call for further oversight of the industry and Japanese companies in particular," the presentation said.

Michigan Dems threaten to act

Toyota's concerns are not far off the mark. With a new Democratic majority in Congress, Michigan's Democratic lawmakers have pledged to press harder on trade and other issues where Detroit automakers say Japanese companies have an unfair advantage.

Last week, two Democratic House members from Michigan -- Levin and Rep. John Dingell of Dearborn -- sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, urging him to press Japan over the value of the yen during a meeting of world economic powers.

Dingell, Levin and two other congressmen said that a weak yen had helped Japanese automakers increase their exports to the United States by more than 30% in 2006. Detroit automakers and their congressional allies say the yen bestows up to a $4,000-per-vehicle benefit for Japanese automakers.

The Harbour-Felax Group, a Royal Oak automotive consulting firm, estimated the yen benefit at $1,054 per vehicle in a study it released last fall.

"It is a little-understood fact that Toyota's exports to the United States are almost as great as the number of vehicles produced in the United States by Toyota," the lawmakers wrote. "We are certain that the weak yen is also boosting Japanese exports in other economic sectors and is having a significant impact on many U.S. producers."


Toyota's public image and ability to operate with few barriers in the United States are significant because this is the world's biggest market and a source of huge and profitable growth for Toyota. Its U.S. sales rose 12.5% last year, and it is expected to have $13 billion in profit this fiscal year.

Toyota passed Ford and the Chrysler Group in global vehicle sales and could pass GM thanks, in large part, to its ability to beat Detroit on its home turf. The Camry has been the best-selling car in the United States in nine of the past 10 years. Toyota's U.S. market share has doubled since 1996.

Toyota as a scapegoat?

Toyota would not comment about Sudo's presentation except to say it was a 5-year planning document that looks at challenges the company faces. The Free Press reported last week the report also contained information about Toyota's plans to hold down increases in U.S. labor costs and its worries about maintaining quality.

"Toyota will continue to focus on further enhancing productivity, quality and safety, and this was the essence of the planning document," spokesman Daniel Sieger said.

Toyota officials have said the possibility that their company would pass GM as the world's largest automaker is irrelevant to them and to consumers. Sudo's presentation, though, shows that Toyota sees a possible downside, especially in light of U.S. automakers' financial difficulties.

"Toyota will be a 'scapegoat,' " one slide says.

"Society expects that we will make the same economic and social contribution as the companies we replace," the accompanying text says. "And we need to position ourselves to respond to corporate image attacks."

Toyota has been putting millions of dollars into efforts aimed at promoting its benefits to American society. In Washington, subway stops frequented by policy makers are plastered with ads extolling Toyota's U.S. employment figures.

Next weekend, Toyota will hit the track in Daytona Beach, Fla., for the start of the NASCAR Nextel Cup season, the first entry by a Japanese automaker in the nation's most popular racing series. In the past year, Toyota also has run TV ads and put up billboards touting its economic impact on the United States.

'Beat but don't drub'

Toyota executives are acutely aware of their position in the United States, said Matthew May, author of "The Elegant Solution: Toyota's Formula for Mastering Innovation."

Toyota has a culture that stresses both competition and humility, said May, who spent eight years as a senior adviser and instructor for the University of Toyota, the company's Torrance, Calif.-based corporate college developed to teach the Toyota Way principles.

Toyota has ambitious goals, he said.

"At the same time, you have to balance that with the mother ship who is saying, 'Beat them but don't drub them,' " May said. " 'You don't need to spike the ball in the end zone' is really the message."

Toyota has one major factor in its favor as it tries to prevent backlash. The U.S. sales growth also has fueled a rapidly growing manufacturing base that hits more states and congressional districts each year.

Toyota has 13 U.S. plants, from West Virginia to California. Its first was a joint venture with GM in 1984 in California. Now states are lining up for what is expected to be several more in the next 10 years.

Last month at the auto show in Detroit, Bob Lutz, GM's head of global product development, said: "It is my considered opinion that Toyota has more clout in Washington than GM."






 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.

I don't know about you, but last time I checked, toyota and many other of the foreign car company have plants in America that employ American people. Those foreign cars are being built here by Americans. Where as ford and gm has been sending our jobs to Mexico. Sure they still build some stuff here.

Bingo. I would rather buy a Japanese (or Korean or whatever) car built in the USA vs a "so called" domestic (Ford, GM, Chrysler) built in Mexico or abroad.

Most US cars are made in America/Canada plus I know my money stays here with American suppliers and American engineers. All the Japanese profits go to Toyko.

 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Japanese/Koreans buy American cars? They are smart and support their own countries. We on the other hand have no loyality over here and buy their crap. The American people have caused this mess. American car companies have plenty of good cars and trucks.

I don't know about you, but last time I checked, toyota and many other of the foreign car company have plants in America that employ American people. Those foreign cars are being built here by Americans. Where as ford and gm has been sending our jobs to Mexico. Sure they still build some stuff here.

Bingo. I would rather buy a Japanese (or Korean or whatever) car built in the USA vs a "so called" domestic (Ford, GM, Chrysler) built in Mexico or abroad.

Most US cars are made in America/Canada plus I know my money stays here with American suppliers and American engineers. All the Japanese profits go to Toyko.


Working in the automotive industry in the US as I do, I can tell you that they (what's left of the big 3) are shifting factories to Mexico as fast as they can close them in the US (as are suppliers like my company - once about 15 plants in the US now down to 6 or so with about 10 in Mexico).

And to say that foreign companies don't use American engineers to design some of their product is not correct. American engineers are on the rise in the design of vehicles, especially those made here.

As for profits, I could care less. I would rather see people employeed vs shareholders getting profits.
 
Bring back some protectionism for American-made cars to have a more equal playing ground to protect good American workers over cars made by cheap if not slave labor in poverty markets - which only hurts Americans. Removing protectionism gives the wealthy short-term profits and has a high cost to the public.

Introduce globalism gradually by bringing up the poor nations, not by turning America into a third world country. The wealthy were unable to defeat the American middle class during the 1900-1960 era, but since 1980 they are finding a way to go back to the robber baron days through 'free trade'.

It's really no different an effect than if they could have blocked unions in the 1930's; there are no global unions for American and Chinese workers to join together.
 
Working in the automotive industry in the US as I do, I can tell you that they (what's left of the big 3) are shifting factories to Mexico as fast as they can close them in the US

BS. The vast majority of Big 3 products sold in the U.S. are made in America or Canada. The plants that they have in Mexico (which the Japanese and Germans also do) mainly make cars for 3rd world markets. They might bring some Mexican made cars to the U.S. (like the Buick Rendezvous, which is not exactly a massive volume product), but they also export a lot of American made cars there.

(as are suppliers like my company - once about 15 plants in the US now down to 6 or so with about 10 in Mexico).

Your supplier is not the Big 3, so don't transfer what they are doing to them. Also, since you're in Kentucky, I'm guessiing your supplier mostly makes parts down in Mexico for the Toyota plant in Kentucky. That's great. Mexican made parts going into a Japanese car whose final assembly point is Kentucky, so Americans are fooled into thinking it's really a domestic product.

As for profits, I could care less. I would rather see people employeed vs shareholders getting profits.

It seems like you don't since you work for a supplier that's enthusiastically sending jobs to Mexico.

 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: sandorski
Yup, Unions have nothing to do with it and the constant whining about Unions probably is part of the reason the Big 3 just keep getting closer to extinction. Quality, Design, Fuel Efficiency!! <<< has nothing to do with Unions, but everything to do with why Imports are taking over the Market.

so, you're saying that the huge costs associated with the labor force has nothing to do with the companies trying to pinch pennies elsewhere?

Originally posted by: locutus12
i like being an outsider looking in, it gives a person a very different perspective, some may say clearer, and living in England but looking at the American car market what i can see is a massive want of smaller more efficient stylish cars. Now for some unknown reason the big 3 American car producers seem to have there fingers in their ears, blindly ignoring this and producing cards that get 12 to 18 miles to the gallon. If you produced a car in England or indeed in Europe that had such TERRIBLE fuel economy your company would go bankrupt within a month.

i cannot understand this obsession your car giants have. its all very puzzling. you'd think the fact that TOYOTA will become the worlds largest car manufacturer this year would make the US car giants think about there product lines but apparently not.

our government hasn't decided that we should all ride public transit and doesn't tax the sh!t out of gas to subsidize it is the reason. everyone likes more speed and power and we get it more cheaply than you guys do.

combine that with the fact that only recently have small cars become something other than cheap econoboxes (on which US car companies lose money and which consumers generally disparage and dislike), and you understand why companies over here make big cars with big engines.

Chevy now is offering a Impala with av8. Why does a fwd car need a v8?
for that matter, why does one need a V6?

People stop buying when they no longer like what is offered. When people stop buying, Sales drop, Profits drop, Prices drop, and after all that if people still continue stop buying the loop plays through again.
 
i like being an outsider looking in, it gives a person a very different perspective, some may say clearer, and living in England but looking at the American car market what i can see is a massive want of smaller more efficient stylish cars. Now for some unknown reason the big 3 American car producers seem to have there fingers in their ears, blindly ignoring this and producing cards that get 12 to 18 miles to the gallon. If you produced a car in England or indeed in Europe that had such TERRIBLE fuel economy your company would go bankrupt within a month.

i cannot understand this obsession your car giants have. its all very puzzling. you'd think the fact that TOYOTA will become the worlds largest car manufacturer this year would make the US car giants think about there product lines but apparently not.

Well if the outsider, European opinion is so brilliant, then Chrysler should be booming right now, seeing as how it's been run by Germans for the past 10 years. Why didn't they bring over all their wonderful sub-compacts like the A-class and the Smart car to dominate the U.S. car market, which obviously has such a "want of smaller more efficient stylish cars"? :roll:
 
GM actually has some nice cars and prices as of late.

The new Chevy Malibu is pretty competetive. You can get it cheaper then the civic and corolla due to the price discounts and promotions with chevy. The dealerships for honda and toyota tack onto the MSRP because of the higher demand. Also worth noting that the Malibu has a 100k mi powertrain warranty while the toyota and honda only 60k.

http://autos.msn.com/research/compare/d...b=0&dt=0&v=t102884&v=t103922&v=t103634

The corvette is also an excellent car and beats out most of the worlds sports cars. Not to mention its the best price for performance out there. Chevrolet is also working agreesively on plug in electrics. Ford on the other hand I believe is dead in the water, I think we will see Ford going bankrupt sometime in the next few years. Ford had nothing going for it except its Trucks and Suvs, now the japenese car manufacturers are taking market share away from them with new trucks and suvs.
 
I'm not really surprised. DCX has never really been that great of a company. They've never really had a golden egg, so to speak, like Ford or GM. That is, the latter two companies may have had issues with their cars, but their trucks have always been good (what are the best selling vehicles each year? F-150 followed by the Silverado). It is hardly thriving in other markets either, whereas GM and Ford are still doing quite well in Europe, at least Ford is anyways. The only thing DCX really has going for it is the willingness of people to spend stupid amounts of money on Mercs.

Originally posted by: locutus12
i like being an outsider looking in, it gives a person a very different perspective, some may say clearer, and living in England but looking at the American car market what i can see is a massive want of smaller more efficient stylish cars. Now for some unknown reason the big 3 American car producers seem to have there fingers in their ears, blindly ignoring this and producing cards that get 12 to 18 miles to the gallon. If you produced a car in England or indeed in Europe that had such TERRIBLE fuel economy your company would go bankrupt within a month.

i cannot understand this obsession your car giants have. its all very puzzling. you'd think the fact that TOYOTA will become the worlds largest car manufacturer this year would make the US car giants think about there product lines but apparently not.

In all fairness, a few things need to be put into perspective. Even at the peak of our oil prices in 2006, we still paid less than the UK and other wealthy European countries did even before oil prices went to $50-70 per barrel. Add to that, we don't really tax our vehicles heavily. The vehicle, fuel and insurance are all cheaper. Unfortunately, it backfires on us as well, as we (Americans) don't get nearly the same options over here on some of the regular and compact sedans (the Fiesta is a great little car, for instance).
 
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