Chrysler tech center workers may have lost jobs to H-1B contractors

[1prophet]

H-1B video shocker: 'Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified ... U.S. worker'


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Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1b workers. See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Theres a piece you guys are forgetting. If a shop is union, they CANNOT hire non union. Theres probably a loophole for H1B visa holders. From a business perspective it makes sense.

Yeah fuck the Americans and keep the Third Worlders, they don't know any better anyway.

Wait, you might actually want to seal our border and keep American jobs in American hands?

Red Dawn, you're forgetting the most obvious thing. These are jobs Americans won't do! Isn't that what Bush and liberals keep telling us?

LOL - Corporate America is liberal? Last I heard liberals support unions and do not disassemble them and fire the workers to replace US workers with cheaper labor from over seas. This is classic Compassionate Corporate Conservatism at work.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
H-1B video shocker: 'Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified ... U.S. worker'


Direct link youtube video


Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1b workers. See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week

Such scams were explained to me back under the Clinton administration by state employment workers.

Nothing that can be blamed on the Bush, that can not be blaimed on the Clinton just as well.
The Federal government does not want to step in and force the issue to be cleaned up.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
if bringing in foreign workers is more cost effective than domestic because of the unions its the unions fault not the companys having a healthy US auto industry is more important than the jobs of the greedy union workers.

Sorry that Americans aren't willing to work 12 hour days under horrible conditions like they do in third world nations. Sorry that Americans don't like to be exploited and worked to death.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: 1prophet
H-1B video shocker: 'Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified ... U.S. worker'


Direct link youtube video


Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1b workers. See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week

Such scams were explained to me back under the Clinton administration by state employment workers.

Nothing that can be blamed on the Bush, that can not be blaimed on the Clinton just as well.
The Federal government does not want to step in and force the issue to be cleaned up.

You are right,

Here is one of our most compassionate conservatives in favor of H1-b visas.

 

[Mxylplyx]

This is the result of H1-B workers being too cheap, and UAW workers being too expensive. IMO they need to cease all H1-B applications in the tech sector. That need is a long gone relic from the 90's.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Wait! Aren't those the jobs that Americans are supposed to retrain and reeducate for?

If those jobs are being given to H-1B and L-1 visa holders, then what should Americans retrain and reeducate for? Should the government open up Fast Food Universities where people can get college degrees in cashiering and in saying, "Would you like fries with that?". That way people could say they have college degrees and our politicians could feel snuggly warm and content knowing that Americans were working jobs that require having college degrees and that people had retrained and reeducated for promising careers in new fields, like french fry frying technology.

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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Engineer

That's right, because you would rather have foreigners on a Visa working and taking a US citizen's job. I hope that there's a day that someone like that takes your job and I'll cheer for them too! I don't care much for unions but to applaud when a US worker loses a job to a foreigner is being a real prick.

This might be what needs to happen to finally put an end to our nation's problem with global labor arbitrage and to fix this mess.

That is to say--everyone who still has their middle class or upper middle class job needs to get laid off as a result of global labor arbitrage, either their jobs get sent offshore, or their jobs get filled by H-1B or L-1 visaholders, or other unemployed, angry Americans offer to do their jobs for 1/2 the price. Perhaps once most Americans and most upper middle class and middle class Americans have been negatively affected by this, perhaps then Americans will be ready to finally assert and pursue their own rational economic selfish interest--assuming that corporations aren't the only ones that have a vote at that point.


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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Red DawnUnion or not there should be no way a guest worker stays employed while an American capable of the same task gets let go. The Guest Worker is brought in only because there's a shortage of qualified workers, not because they are cheaper. IMO they should be sent packing back to Calcutta or where ever they are from.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, none of the three Presidential candidates and few Congressmen support this view. How could they? If they did they could lose huge amounts of campaign contributions.

I have seen the enemy...and he is us!


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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

IMO, ANY company that does this kind of shit should be brought up on charges of Un-American Activity...(where's Joseph McCarthy when we NEED him)

Here's an interesting idea, a bunch of angry Americans get together and begin running newspaper ads to protest Chrysler (and various other companies in individual ads) calling them UnAmerican and encouraging people to boycott their products. These ads would be neutering the notion that these are "American" companies and that "Buy American" actually improves the nation's economy.


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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Farang
People who believe business is evil for trying to make a profit are idiots. It isn't a corporations job to make work, it's their job to make money.

Oh, I agree. I don't blame businesses for trying to maximize profit while following federal and state laws. Rather, I blame the nation's politicians.


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[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Theres a piece you guys are forgetting. If a shop is union, they CANNOT hire non union. Theres probably a loophole for H1B visa holders. From a business perspective it makes sense.

Corporations are a parasitic lifeform that will destroy the host for the bottom line. I me me mine is all that matters.

What gets me is that knocking out the US middle class worker, blue and white collar, is bad, in the long term, for the US Auto industry. The US middle class worker were and are a customer base for the US built cars.

 

[BoberFett]

It's funny to see liberals suddenly AGAINST immigration.

What's the matter? Why do you hate immigrants? Are you racists? I see, you only want those dirty immigrants here picking your vegetables, not doing your job.

You "liberals" are every bit as disgusting as "conservatives."

 

[neodyn55]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
H-1B video shocker: 'Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified ... U.S. worker'


Direct link youtube video


Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1b workers. See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week

This relates to Green Cards, NOT H1 visas. Just to clarify. Though so many of you are so dead set against H1-Bs that it won't matter, I guess.

 

[neodyn55]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
This is the result of H1-B workers being too cheap, and UAW workers being too expensive. IMO they need to cease all H1-B applications in the tech sector. That need is a long gone relic from the 90's.

Don't tar all H1 holders with the same feather. I know lots that get paid well above market wage for the jobs they do.

Of course, all of them have studies here at either the undergraduate or graduate level.

By means of a blanket ban, you would be ridding these people as well.

 

[neodyn55]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's funny to see liberals suddenly AGAINST immigration.

What's the matter? Why do you hate immigrants? Are you racists? I see, you only want those dirty immigrants here picking your vegetables, not doing your job.

You "liberals" are every bit as disgusting as "conservatives."

Yep, they have no problem about letting in hordes of uneducated masses, but protest the same when done legally because of cases of misuse.

There should be an equal immigration stance toward all. If someone exploits a loop hole or a law, then they should be treated equally, whether white collar or blue collar.

Google Sen. Durbin's stances on the Dream Act and the H1B reform for a classic example of what I'm talking about.

Edit: Remember the liberal mantra of "all they want is a better life for their families" and how this is supposed to qualify illegal immigrants for amnesty? Well, wouldn't that apply to the H1B workers from "Calcutta" who are the villians in this post? How do you reconcile the two?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: blackangst1
If the workers who were laid off were union, then I applaud it.

That's right, because you would rather have foreigners on a Visa working and taking a US citizen's job. I hope that there's a day that someone like that takes your job and I'll cheer for them too! I don't care much for unions but to applaud when a US worker loses a job to a foreigner is being a real prick.

Totally agree. I never knew the day would come when peasants like blackangst would root against his fellow citizens in favor of corporations saving money by importing foreign workers. What a moron.

Such a simpleton. Who kows NOTHING about business either.

/sigh

Since when is it a company's responsibility to employ Americans? I always thought a company's job was to make a profit *shrug*

I have noticed that people that cling to this line are mostly in jobs that that are immune to this type of problem. Perhaps if you were one of this people in Michigan who have been told, the only way to get employed again is for Michiganders to retrain and get one of these "in demand" high tech jobs only to lose it to an H-1B visa holder, maybe it would matter.

When many of the manufacturing jobs dried up in Michigan a few years back, we were told here time and time again these dumb auto workers/machinists/etc/ needed to retrain or become extinct. So what did some of these people do, exactly what was suggested. They went back to school ($$$) to learn the skills they are told are being sought only to get bumped back to the unemployment line in favor of keeping H-1B visa holders employed.

These aren't jobs Americans don't want to do, these are the jobs we have been told we need to train for in order to be employable. What's next? Do I have to worry that my hospital is going to import foreign RRT's to do the job I just finished going back to school for degree number three to get?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's funny to see liberals suddenly AGAINST immigration.

What's the matter? Why do you hate immigrants? Are you racists? I see, you only want those dirty immigrants here picking your vegetables, not doing your job.

You "liberals" are every bit as disgusting as "conservatives."

I'm not a Liberal but I am against immigrating workers to undercut the wages of Americans so a Corporation can make more profit.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: neodyn55

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
This is the result of H1-B workers being too cheap, and UAW workers being too expensive. IMO they need to cease all H1-B applications in the tech sector. That need is a long gone relic from the 90's.

Don't tar all H1 holders with the same feather. I know lots that get paid well above market wage for the jobs they do.

Of course, all of them have studies here at either the undergraduate or graduate level.

By means of a blanket ban, you would be ridding these people as well.

They arrived here on a guest visa to fill a temporary shortfall in a targeted industry. Once that shortfall is over, said visa should be cancelled. I know it doesnt sound fair, but America needs to look out for Americans first.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: neodyn55

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
This is the result of H1-B workers being too cheap, and UAW workers being too expensive. IMO they need to cease all H1-B applications in the tech sector. That need is a long gone relic from the 90's.

Don't tar all H1 holders with the same feather. I know lots that get paid well above market wage for the jobs they do.

Of course, all of them have studies here at either the undergraduate or graduate level.

By means of a blanket ban, you would be ridding these people as well.

They arrived here on a guest visa to fill a temporary shortfall in a targeted industry. Once that shortfall is over, said visa should be cancelled. I know it doesnt sound fair, but America needs to look out for Americans first.

Tell that to the amnesty crowd who is in this thread whining about immigrants.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: neodyn55

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
This is the result of H1-B workers being too cheap, and UAW workers being too expensive. IMO they need to cease all H1-B applications in the tech sector. That need is a long gone relic from the 90's.

Don't tar all H1 holders with the same feather. I know lots that get paid well above market wage for the jobs they do.

Of course, all of them have studies here at either the undergraduate or graduate level.

By means of a blanket ban, you would be ridding these people as well.

They arrived here on a guest visa to fill a temporary shortfall in a targeted industry. Once that shortfall is over, said visa should be cancelled. I know it doesnt sound fair, but America needs to look out for Americans first.

Tell that to the amnesty crowd who is in this thread whining about immigrants.

OK you got your shot at the "Amnesty Crowd". Good for you, now what do you think of the situation where guest workers are taling jobs away from Americans so Corporations can make even more profit?

 

[StageLeft]

Union jobs are stupid. I have worked with H1B workers in tech and these days they are making plenty of coin. They are by no means indentured. I've worked next to them in the exact same role making the same money. Now, you can ALWAYS hire American if you want to pay a lot, but given the lack of H1B workers now and the current climate in IT, which is good (unlike 7 years ago), just because a firm is hiring H1B it doesn't mean it's undercutting. It could very possibly hire Americans at a simliar wage (probably not the same because, face it, it is somewhat of a hassle hiring H1B as you deal with immigration issues, for example, so that affects their marketability) but perhaps hasn't. The issue here is not the H1Bs, it's the laid off workers who are now having to compete on the open market and losing their artificial job security.

Face it, H1Bs are a non-issue. They represent a pitiful percentage of workers and most of them are well educated and a net gain for this country, quite unlike the magnitudes more numerous people without highschool degrees who come in illegally. They should be the real target of immigration concern.

 

[1EZduzit]

Shit flows downhill and it seems enough of it has flowed in that it is begining to back up.

First we allow foreign workers in to do the food picking, then the yard work, the domestic work, construction and meat packing. You know, all those jobs that Americans "don't want". Now Americans with more education are being discriminated against in favor of foreign workers, but it seems these workers are actually here legally, so what's the problem?

How do you expect Americans to be able to afford cars built in America?




Hint: Maybe pay them a living wage?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Union jobs are stupid. I have worked with H1B workers in tech and these days they are making plenty of coin. They are by no means indentured. I've worked next to them in the exact same role making the same money. Now, you can ALWAYS hire American if you want to pay a lot, but given the lack of H1B workers now and the current climate in IT, which is good (unlike 7 years ago), just because a firm is hiring H1B it doesn't mean it's undercutting. It could very possibly hire Americans at a simliar wage (probably not the same because, face it, it is somewhat of a hassle hiring H1B as you deal with immigration issues, for example, so that affects their marketability) but perhaps hasn't. The issue here is not the H1Bs, it's the laid off workers who are now having to compete on the open market and losing their artificial job security.

Face it, H1Bs are a non-issue. They represent a pitiful percentage of workers and most of them are well educated and a net gain for this country, quite unlike the magnitudes more numerous people without highschool degrees who come in illegally. They should be the real target of immigration concern.

They should only be allowed in when there is a shortage of qualified Americans available for those jobs. When there's no shortage they should be sent home as in this case.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Union jobs are stupid. I have worked with H1B workers in tech and these days they are making plenty of coin. They are by no means indentured. I've worked next to them in the exact same role making the same money. Now, you can ALWAYS hire American if you want to pay a lot, but given the lack of H1B workers now and the current climate in IT, which is good (unlike 7 years ago), just because a firm is hiring H1B it doesn't mean it's undercutting. It could very possibly hire Americans at a simliar wage (probably not the same because, face it, it is somewhat of a hassle hiring H1B as you deal with immigration issues, for example, so that affects their marketability) but perhaps hasn't. The issue here is not the H1Bs, it's the laid off workers who are now having to compete on the open market and losing their artificial job security.

Face it, H1Bs are a non-issue. They represent a pitiful percentage of workers and most of them are well educated and a net gain for this country, quite unlike the magnitudes more numerous people without highschool degrees who come in illegally. They should be the real target of immigration concern.

They should only be allowed in when there is a shortage of qualified Americans available for those jobs. When there's no shortage they should be sent home as in this case.

Nobody can quantify a shortage, it's impossible; it's simply based on supply and demand and costs. People say no Americans want to pick apples. Well, pay them $250k/year and you'll have plenty of labor. Nobody can say what the proper number is, but we can say that as you bring in more labor you get lower wages. So, are H1B people affecting my wages? Yes they are, but I don't feel it's substantial enough to care about. Since there is no hard figure to use, all that can be looked at is what wages people are making for their particular skill set/education. In my case I think I'm making good wages for my education/years in the industry--not as much as if there were no H1Bs, but compared to other industries not significantly influenced by H1B counts, I'm doing well so that's the only real number that means much to me.