Christmas is White Supremacy in Action

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greatnoob

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I agree that it has been turned into perhaps the greatest money making machine in history.

If you know Christmas is a pagan "money making machine" why not question your other (frankly stupid) beliefs?

I just wanted to add one more thing. At my university campus our campus leader is BLACK and is one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet, is a Christian and promotes biblical principles without ever saying anything from the bible by demonstrating them.
A very simplistic (frankly childish) view but if it helps suppress the riling dissonance between your beliefs and the real world, have at it.
 

MrSquished

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The prices we pay for a lot of things is strictly because people buy items without an actual necessity. Keeping up with the Jones' etc...

So when in life do you support purchasing something without necessity?

And on a further note, purchasing items without necessity is the foundation of capitalism. Would you prefer we go to Soviet-style communism?
 
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So when in life do you support purchasing something without necessity?

And on a further note, purchasing items without necessity is the foundation of capitalism. Would you prefer we go to Soviet-style communism?

No, not exactly. I understand your point on capitalism. However, our economy can function just fine without buying a new car every 2-3 years.

The number of people that trade in their vehicles and re-buy (often times while still paying off the first car) another new car is ridiculous. How can you be that level of fucking stupid? All to just drive around town showboating to yourself that you drive a new-ish vehicle? Do you realize as much as this is another purchase that the amount of risk on these people not paying FAR outweighs the overall economical benefits? It's essentially why EVERY market crash has ever happened.

Buy a car, wait until the wheels fall off and rinse and repeat. It's not difficult, but people always have to spend spend spend. My wife is one of them as well as far as car buying is concerned.

And to be honest, it's not so much about people spending their money in general. It's more along the lines of people that are buying outside of their class in life. If you aren't even making $60k on your household income, I don't think you should be buying your clothes at Saks/Nordstrom unless you stick to a clearance rack only or something. But people in this country are stupid. Then they get older and realize that social security doesn't pay enough... so they advocate for getting more. The entire time, they should have been living within their means and saving.
 
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werepossum

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I agree in that Christianity is a philosophy not a religion and its too bad that more people don't realize it.
I think Christianity is both a religion and part of secular Western Liberalism philosophy. There are parts of Christianity as a religion which are at odds with secular Western Liberalism, and parts of Christianity as a secular Western Liberalism which are at odds with Christian religion. But overall, both the Christian religion and Christianity's contributions to secular Western Liberalism philosophy are both extremely important to this nation, and we'd be much better off if more Americans recognized this and honestly attempted to reconcile (and live by) the better parts of both.

What are you saying here?
The American Christian slave trade did not exist until American Christians got the idea from Muslim pirates?
Um, no, but thanks for playing. But nobody leaves here with empty hands, so we're going to cut off your hands.

I love it. Black Lives Matter is advocating for not spending money? That's the closest thing to pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen.

Hell, if they were actually successful Nike would crumble overnight. To which I would say go for it. The prices we pay for a lot of things is strictly because people buy items without an actual necessity. Keeping up with the Jones' etc...
I think technically this idiot is mainly telling black people not to spend money with companies not exclusively black-owned. Probably not only because of her racism, but also so that money is available to her, because if they just go out and buy what they want, then little of that money will make it to her greedy little hands.
 

Orignal Earl

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Um, no, but thanks for playing. But nobody leaves here with empty hands, so we're going to cut off your hands.


One other thing that very few young Americans understand is that America's first contact with slavery came not from rich white slaveowners, but from ships intercepted by Muslim North African (Barbary Coast) pirates. Those who were captured either raised large ransoms, or were sold into the Islamic slave trade. That began in the early sixteenth century and continued until Jefferson raised a professional Navy and Marine Corps in the early nineteenth century

What are you saying here?
The American Christian slave trade did not exist until American Christians got the idea from Muslim pirates?

It looks like that is exactly what you were saying
Can you explain better?
 

werepossum

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It looks like that is exactly what you were saying
Can you explain better?
I can explain it, but I doubt I can make you understand it. Blue_Max posted a link about how most young Americans believe that slavery began in America and was in fact a purely American institution.
For 11 years, Professor Duke Pesta gave quizzes to his students at the beginning of the school year to test their knowledge on basic facts about American history and Western culture.

The most surprising result from his 11-year experiment? Students’ overwhelming belief that slavery began in the United States and was almost exclusively an American phenomenon, he said.

“Most of my students could not tell me anything meaningful about slavery outside of America,” Pesta told The College Fix. “They are convinced that slavery was an American problem that more or less ended with the Civil War, and they are very fuzzy about the history of slavery prior to the Colonial era. Their entire education about slavery was confined to America.”

My post was highlighting the irony that not only was slavery very much NOT an American invention, but slavery affected people living in America (or trying to get to America) well before we had slavery IN America*. Not only that, but the slavers were Africans preying on white Christians. That has absolutely no connotations implying that slavery in America was somehow caused by North African slavers; I can't imagine that anyone would make that claim. Certainly not anyone with any understanding of history, since slavery is as ancient as civilization, at the least.

* Here I'm obviously excepting slavery among Native American peoples - another subject about which young people typically remain blissfully ignorant - not only because the narrative here is about the lingering effects of white Colonial American slavery on black Africans, but because slavery among Native American tribes was generally much less pernicious as it was not genetically defined, not hereditary, and often (perhaps usually) not necessarily for life. Not applicable for those slaves who were mutilated or ritually sacrificed, of course, but generally speaking we think most slaves of Native American tribes (in pre-Colonial times) were treated well, often adopted into the tribe or repatriated/exchanged for enslaved tribal members, and often allowed to marry into the enslaving tribe. And certainly, children born to the enslaved Native Americans were seldom if ever considered slaves. (Obviously this changed during the Colonial period, but that's just the native people adopting the customs of the conquering people, not necessarily indicative of their pre-historic behavior.) The plight of people who are allowed to own wealth, marry at will, sire free children, and earn their way out of slavery really cannot be compared to the plight of people who (generally speaking) are considered automatically slaves by virtue of birth, whose slavery is most typically eternal unless manumitted, whose children are born slaves, and whose marriages (or at least conjugal lives) are subject to their owners' whims. (And yes, I know there were certainly plenty of black Africans who earned their way out of slavery, but they were very much the exception, whereas for pre-Colonial slaves of Native American tribes this was the rule. Or so we think.)
 

Orignal Earl

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I can explain it, but I doubt I can make you understand it. Blue_Max posted a link about how most young Americans believe that slavery began in America and was in fact a purely American institution.


My post was highlighting the irony that not only was slavery very much NOT an American invention, but slavery affected people living in America (or trying to get to America) well before we had slavery IN America*. Not only that, but the slavers were Africans preying on white Christians. That has absolutely no connotations implying that slavery in America was somehow caused by North African slavers; I can't imagine that anyone would make that claim. Certainly not anyone with any understanding of history, since slavery is as ancient as civilization, at the least.

There was always slavery in America ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
 

greatnoob

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But overall, both the Christian religion and Christianity's contributions to secular Western Liberalism philosophy are both extremely important to this nation, and we'd be much better off if more Americans recognized this and honestly attempted to reconcile (and live by) the better parts of both.

Your constitution makes no reference to Christianity - your cult was nothing but a hindrance to every nation and kingdom it touched. If by "Christianity's contributions to secular Western Liberalism" you mean slavery, wilful ignorance of empirical science and xenophobia then you are completely correct in that regard.
 

piasabird

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Christmas is breaking all race and ethnic barriers world-wide. As I have loved you, Love one another.
 

piasabird

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British had slavery, Romans had slavery, Asians had slavery, Egyptians had slavery. It is as old as time itself. What does that have to do with Christmas?
 

Puffnstuff

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What does that have to do with Christmas?
It would seem to me that the new generation of slaves are the people who have been conditioned to buy everything in the ads that they are bombarded by in the months preceding Christmas. When Black Friday comes we can see that people of all walks of life have been indoctrinated by this conditioning affecting all races equally. Brawling doesn't seem to be limited to any one race, area or store. With that said, how many of your neighbors buy new cars each year for Christmas? Those ads would have you believe that this is normal to give new cars for Christmas but I have never seen it done in my neighborhoods.
 

piasabird

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My suggestion is to cut the cable and dont watch network TV. That is what I did. My wife decided the cable TV cost too much so we just cut the cord. It is fun to live free. The Internet is full of video to watch.
 

Puffnstuff

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My suggestion is to cut the cable and dont watch network TV. That is what I did. My wife decided the cable TV cost too much so we just cut the cord. It is fun to live free. The Internet is full of video to watch.
I've already ditched the tv sets and can live without them.
 

werepossum

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See, this is why I hate Wikipedia; it allows people with an agenda to make and keep gullible people stupid and moving in the desired direction.

Google "slavery in Native American tribes". Read some sources beyond Wikipedia, where literally everyone is free to write an entry or edit it. Yes, there has been slavery in America since there have been societies capable of that level of social distinction, well before the white Europeans brought their particular flavor. For Christ's sake, there is even a link to "Slavery among Native Americans" (albeit to a Wikipedia page) at the top of the article you referenced!
 
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Puffnstuff

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See, this is why I hate Wikipedia; it allows people with an agenda to make and keep gullible people stupid and moving in the desired direction.

Google "slavery in Native American tribes". Read some sources beyond Wikipedia, where literally everyone is free to write an entry or edit it. Yes, there has been slavery in America since there have been societies capable of that level of social distinction, well before the white Europeans brought their particular flavor. For Christ's sake, there is even a link to "Slavery among Native Americans" (albeit to a Wikipedia page) at the top of the article you referenced!
History is also a great source of historical news and you can read and watch videos on the subjects.
 

Ackmed

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British had slavery, Romans had slavery, Asians had slavery, Egyptians had slavery. It is as old as time itself. What does that have to do with Christmas?

I wouldn't use "had" so much. Several reports show that there are more slaves in todays world than at any other time in history. Upwards of 30 million around the world total, some estimates put it around 45 million.
 

Orignal Earl

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See, this is why I hate Wikipedia; it allows people with an agenda to make and keep gullible people stupid and moving in the desired direction.

Google "slavery in Native American tribes". Read some sources beyond Wikipedia, where literally everyone is free to write an entry or edit it. Yes, there has been slavery in America since there have been societies capable of that level of social distinction, well before the white Europeans brought their particular flavor. For Christ's sake, there is even a link to "Slavery among Native Americans" (albeit to a Wikipedia page) at the top of the article you referenced!

My post was highlighting the irony that not only was slavery very much NOT an American invention, but slavery affected people living in America (or trying to get to America) well before we had slavery IN America*.

I was trying to say that there was always an American slave trade, that's why I posted the wiki link about it always existing
Your reply there again looks like you are saying Americans were being affected by the pirates well before you had slavery IN America
 

bshole

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So when in life do you support purchasing something without necessity?

And on a further note, purchasing items without necessity is the foundation of capitalism. Would you prefer we go to Soviet-style communism?

Do you ever think about what is driving your consumerism? Are you EVER satisfied with what you already bought or are you constantly looking for more? I believe consumerism is a simply diversion, a treadmill to distract us from living a real life. Hunter/gatherers didn't think like this. I have spent a lifetime accumulating shit that the instant I acquire I lose interest in. We evolved to survive and now that our survival is no longer on the line, we are ill equipped to handle all the idle time. Consumerism appears an empty and vapid method of frittering away the hours.
 

MrSquished

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Do you ever think about what is driving your consumerism? Are you EVER satisfied with what you already bought or are you constantly looking for more? I believe consumerism is a simply diversion, a treadmill to distract us from living a real life. Hunter/gatherers didn't think like this. I have spent a lifetime accumulating shit that the instant I acquire I lose interest in. We evolved to survive and now that our survival is no longer on the line, we are ill equipped to handle all the idle time. Consumerism appears an empty and vapid method of frittering away the hours.

I am highly aware of consumer capitalism and its capability to be diabolical.

Consumerism can be a dangerous thing. Our worth as citizens is only measured by how much shit we buy. Marketing and advertising can prey on insecurities and create self-doubt that can then be remedied by the product they are peddling. Our kids are advertised to heavily and they are programmed as younguns to prefer brand A over brand B and to prioritize accumulating stuff vs anything else in their young lives. Like in some European countries I would support a ban on advertising to kids.

Marketing works, just look at the De Beers campaign to create out of thin air the tradition of an engagement ring, and spending an insane amount of money on an engagement ring. A total myth created by arguably the most successful marketing campaign in the history of America.

On the flip side I don't think never purchasing something that isn't a necessity is the way to go either. That's just the other extreme.
 

raildogg

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Christmas is most likely a scam holiday put before you by your masters. It's there to deceive you.

But that can go for most holidays that the masses buy into.
 

Puffnstuff

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Next Thanksgiving will be declared to be a white supremacist holiday because it depicts white pilgrims with turkeys.
 
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It already has been... white devils savagely murdering those indigenous peoples...

"I have therefore, at the desire of the house of representatives, with the advice of his Majesty’s Council, thought fit to issue this proclamation, and to declare the Penobscot Tribe of Indians to be Enemies, Rebels and Traitors to his Majesty King George the Second: And I do hereby require his Majesty’s Subjects of this province to embrace all Opportunities of pursuing, captivating, killing and destroying all and every of the aforesaid Indians.

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For every Male Penobscot Indian above the Age of Twelve Years, that shall be taken within the Time aforesaid and brought to Boston, Fifty Pounds.

For every Scalp of a Male Penobscot Indian above the Age aforesaid, brought in as Evidence of their being killed as aforesaid, Forty Pounds.

For every Female Penobscot Indian taken and brought in as aforesaid, and for every Male Indian Prisoner under the Age of Twelve Years, taken and brought in as aforesaid, Twenty-five Pounds.

For every Scalp of such Female Indian or Male Indian under the Age of Twelve Years, that shall be killed and brought in as Evidence of their being killed as aforesaid, Twenty Pounds."

http://www.penobscotculture.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=88&Itemid=72