Christmas is White Supremacy in Action

[MajinCry]

It's racism. "These uppity negroes, denigrating us poor, well-meaning white folk! How dare they!" The line's been pushed back, but it's the same attitude from way back when ol' Luther was around.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

My problem with BLM is that it ignores black crime rates and so is detached from reality. FBI data indicates that black persons per capita commit murder at 700% the rate of white persons. BLM and similar movements act like the prison population should reflect demographic percentages.

To reach such percentages, effectively you would have to not prosecute many crimes because of color of skin.

It does not ignore those crime rates, where are you finding this? It is one of the sole reasons BLM exists, because that number is so high! Why is it that there are more white people, yet black crime rates are significantly higher? What do you think the reason is? If we are all treated equally and all had the same opportunities which white people seem to claim, why do movements like BLM exist. The KKK is not crying out that they are not treated fairly, they are crying out how much better they are than other races. BLM is crying out they are not treated fairly and are not treated the same as other races. Quit comparing the two.

 

[nickqt]

https://lasentinel.net/building-bla...e-capitalism-in-the-wake-of-donald-trump.html



Wow. People have certainly forgotten how to think critically and understand other people. Going to be an interesting 4 years, to say the least.

You should probably find yourself a safespace to crawl into until Strongman Trump can assure you that it's safe.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Why can't you accept that you and I did not grow up facing the same adversity POC and minorities faced

I am a minority and have faced blatant racism many times in my life and I still do not advocate any group who promotes the welfare of a single race over another. Even MLK promoted equality but BLM promotes blacks over everyone else and that sir is racism.

 

[desura]

It does not ignore those crime rates, where are you finding this? It is one of the sole reasons BLM exists, because that number is so high! Why is it that there are more white people, yet black crime rates are significantly higher? What do you think the reason is? If we are all treated equally and all had the same opportunities which white people seem to claim, why do movements like BLM exist. The KKK is not crying out that they are not treated fairly, they are crying out how much better they are than other races. BLM is crying out they are not treated fairly and are not treated the same as other races. Quit comparing the two.

It does. When it talks about mass incarceration, or complains about police attention, it doesn't get to why this occurs: higher black crime rate. The police are like teachers reflecting reality of society. Reality of society is the black crime rate is much higher than other crime rates. There are various reasons for this, but at the end of the day, it is still higher and it needs to be dealt with no matter the history.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

It does. When it talks about mass incarceration, or complains about police attention, it doesn't get to why this occurs: higher black crime rate. The police are like teachers reflecting reality of society. Reality of society is the black crime rate is much higher than other crime rates. There are various reasons for this, but at the end of the day, it is still higher and it needs to be dealt with no matter the history.

Why do you think BLM complains about mass incarceration? What do you think these reasons are? Why do you think the reality of society is black crime rate is much higher than other races? I would love to quote you in the future saying "The police are like teachers reflecting reality of society." What do you mean by that? I don't see any explanation in your reasoning at all. I would love to see you answer each question. I don't think you understand enough of the situation to do so.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

I am a minority and have faced blatant racism many times in my life and I still do not advocate any group who promotes the welfare of a single race over another. Even MLK promoted equality but BLM promotes blacks over everyone else and that sir is racism.

Then you are confused. If you have faced blatant racism throughout your life, you would understand the core beliefs of BLM. Look at their website and tell me you think their principles are racist. Here you go http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/. There is absolutely nothing racist in there. Promoting equality for your race is not racist. Promoting peace for your race is not racist. Promoting the welfare of your race is not racist. You do do not understand racism, which sucks because you claim to have faced it.

 

[1prophet]

This season, more than all others, Black Lives Matter is asking people to wake up, to be conscious of our own economic power, and to protest – not just in the streets – but in the malls. Black Lives Matter is dreaming of and building for a #BlackXMas, where we divest from White corporations and invest in building Black community. Rather than lining the pockets of Trump and other White-supremacist capitalists, donate to Black-led organizations that are building new, liberatory structures in our communities. Contribute in the names of your loved ones as their gifts. The following are Black-led community-based organizations in Los Angeles:

A day late and many dollars short,

The republicans didn't want you, and the democrats sold you out just like they sold out the "white deplorables"

where were you when free trade agreement after free trade agreement that hurt the black community first and foremost were being passed?

where were you when Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to illegals in order to depress wages especially in the black community?

corporate America is the one promoting and bankrolling the gangsta rap image, promotes drug use & "tough on crime" police as the solution through TV and movies, sports before science, brainwashing you to buy cheap made in china junk, or your latest liberal silicon valley tech

You had a chance to deal with these "white corporations", but the minute they went full global you now have to compete against other countries, races and ethnicities, yet you are still fighting the battle like you are back in a 1960-1970's domestic economy.with the only enemy being whitey.

 

[MrSquished]

being a straight white male in america is the best. nobody will discriminate against me. it's gravy.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

A day late and many dollars short,

The republicans didn't want you, and the democrats sold you out just like they sold out the "white deplorables"

where were you when free trade agreement after free trade agreement that hurt the black community first and foremost were being passed?

where were you when Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to illegals in order to depress wages especially in the black community?

corporate America is the one promoting and bankrolling the gangsta rap image, promotes drug use & "tough on crime" police as the solution through TV and movies, sports before science, brainwashing you to buy cheap made in china junk, or your latest liberal silicon valley tech

You had a chance to deal with these "white corporations", but the minute they went full global you now have to compete against other countries, races and ethnicities, yet you are still fighting the battle like you are back in a 1960-1970's domestic economy.with the only enemy being whitey.

Nothing you said can be backed up by anything other than conspiracy theories. Welcome to the thread though, was waiting for someone wearing a tinfoil hat to join eventually.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

being a straight white male in america is the best. nobody will discriminate against me. it's gravy.

Its not the best when you are friends with a diverse group of people who are being directly impacted on a daily basis. You should correct your statement to "being a straight white male in america with only white friends is the best. nobody will discriminate against me. it's gravy."

 

[Puffnstuff]

Then you are confused. If you have faced blatant racism throughout your life, you would understand the core beliefs of BLM. Look at their website and tell me you think their principles are racist. Here you go http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/. There is absolutely nothing racist in there. Promoting equality for your race is not racist. Promoting peace for your race is not racist. Promoting the welfare of your race is not racist. You do do not understand racism, which sucks because you claim to have faced it.

Actions speak louder than words and their actions are reckless and criminal. You have absolutely no clue when it comes to racism just like the Jews in Germany had no clue when Hitler started rounding them up. Same goes for the white cops who believe that racial profiling is okay and abuse people who are not white. Every time I see police lines form in racially diverse areas the majority of the baton holders are all white. All of these things underlie the very same issue which is steeped in racism. Why do we have a black history month but we don't have a month for my or any other minority group? After what this government did to Japanese Americans in WW2 they should have their own month as well since they are the only group of actual citizens who had their rights taken from them in violation of their constitutionally guaranteed rights.

 

[pcgeek11]

You are incorrect on a few things here. We have laws that are "supposed" to apply equally to all people, yet they are not. A crime is a crime regardless of who the involved parties are is false. Why can't you accept that you and I did not grow up facing the same adversity POC and minorities faced. The law on paper is not supposed to be discriminatory, yet how it is carried out is certainly discriminatory. It makes me frustrated to hear people who don't understand BLM and label it as racism.

And you are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of how wrong it is.

:thumbsup:

 

[Puffnstuff]

And you are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of how wrong it is.

:thumbsup:

OMG I actually liked your post because, drum roll please, I actually agree with you again. We have stop this before you become labeled as a bleeding heart liberal and I get labelled as a right winger since those are the only two denominations of opinions allowed here at ATPAN. Right and wrong have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with morals and ethics.

 

[pcgeek11]

I'm actually not as far right as it seems in some of my posts. Some people in here just bring out the worst in me.

Oh and Merry Christmas!

 

[Puffnstuff]

Oh and Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas to you and everyone here. I hope that today fills all with joy and happiness.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

And you are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of how wrong it is.

:thumbsup:

As are you, merry Christmas.

 

[SlyFlourishXDA]

Actions speak louder than words and their actions are reckless and criminal. You have absolutely no clue when it comes to racism just like the Jews in Germany had no clue when Hitler started rounding them up. Same goes for the white cops who believe that racial profiling is okay and abuse people who are not white. Every time I see police lines form in racially diverse areas the majority of the baton holders are all white. All of these things underlie the very same issue which is steeped in racism. Why do we have a black history month but we don't have a month for my or any other minority group? After what this government did to Japanese Americans in WW2 they should have their own month as well since they are the only group of actual citizens who had their rights taken from them in violation of their constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Again, you are confused. The vast majority of BLM supporters are not violent. You saw their core principles. They founded their movement for peaceful reasons. Have people not associated with BLM used BLM to commit violence? Absolutely! Are they condemned by BLM? Absolutely!

Why do we have a black history month and not any other minority represented history month? What the US government did to the Japanese was atrocious. I understand your confusion and frustration. They should have a Japanese history month I agree with you. But just because Japanese as of right now don't have a dedicated month, doesn't mean that blacks (slavery for hundreds of years within the United States) should be denied their dedicated month. Japanese lives matter and I am on board. Your last sentence really makes me question your morals. You are saying that Japanese were "actual" citizens and blacks were not? Tell me what makes a person during the 1940s an "actual" citizen.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think nobody should have a dedicated month and we should all be equal. As long as we have "special people" with dedicated months we will never be equal.

 

[MajinCry]

How dare we recognize the suffering that demographics underwent, at the hands of others. Utter balderdash, they need to suck it up and get with the program. I don't care if their persecution lingers to this day, they are just a bunch of whiners.

 

[IronWing]

If MLK were still around he's be up in arms over their behavior.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think nobody should have a dedicated month and we should all be equal. As long as we have "special people" with dedicated months we will never be equal.

I have the same issue with women wanting equal rights with men but not wanting to sign up for the draft like men do, which is not at all equal. Women are also held to a different physical fitness standard in the military so they get to do less to receive the same score as a man who does more. The example we have is that the standard is lowered for them so they can excel. In employment law when a particular group scores lower and the employer singles them out and chooses the best performers from that group even though they are below par when compared to other applicants from different groups it is called race normalizing and it is illegal under Title VII.

Again, you are confused. The vast majority of BLM supporters are not violent. You saw their core principles. They founded their movement for peaceful reasons. Have people not associated with BLM used BLM to commit violence? Absolutely! Are they condemned by BLM? Absolutely!

Why do we have a black history month and not any other minority represented history month? What the US government did to the Japanese was atrocious. I understand your confusion and frustration. They should have a Japanese history month I agree with you. But just because Japanese as of right now don't have a dedicated month, doesn't mean that blacks (slavery for hundreds of years within the United States) should be denied their dedicated month. Japanese lives matter and I am on board. Your last sentence really makes me question your morals. You are saying that Japanese were "actual" citizens and blacks were not? Tell me what makes a person during the 1940s an "actual" citizen.

If blacks can have a month Japanese Americans should have a month too and we should have dog month, cat month, I stepped in dog poo month etc. just to keep it fair and balanced. When blacks were subjected to slavery they were sold by their own tribal leaders for profit and shipped over here and they were not American citizens. Japanese Americans were citizens of this country when they were rounded up out of fear and shipped to interment camps on the West Coast so stop trying to compare apples to oranges.

Do I believe that slavery was right? Hell no I don't nor should any decent person condone the ownership of another person. I wrote an ethics paper about the incredible wrongs that have been conducted in this country and half a century before slavery was introduced guess what happened here? The Salem Witch Trials where white women were burned at the stake followed shortly thereafter by entire white families who were accused of witchcraft being burned at the stakes. Men, women and children all being burned to death in the name of God. Check it out as it makes for an interesting read. What is the root cause of all of this strife?
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[cytg111]

Group dynamics within group dynamics witin group dynamics ... there is many layers to this onion.

There is one fundamental truth though. IMO. Wherever it is we are going, there is only one way forward and that is together.

And it is such a simple universally true logic deduction that it baffles me everytime i see some group or group of groups pulling the other way. It makes no damn sense in the bigger picture... ffs we all are going in the same direction anyway, why struggle and make it harder for yourself?

 

[FIVR]

I am a minority and have faced blatant racism many times in my life and I still do not advocate any group who promotes the welfare of a single race over another. Even MLK promoted equality but BLM promotes blacks over everyone else and that sir is racism.

Centuries of slavery for millions of black people who often lived their whole short lives and died in nothing but servitude and suffering merely because they were unlucky enough to have been snatched from africa or born to people who were snatched from africa gets somehow equated to 3-4 years of unlawful imprisonment for a few thousand recent voluntary immigrants?


Puffnstuff you truly know nothing of the history of this country if you can say that with a straight face. Either that, or you're just racist against black people and feign absurd amounts of ignorance regarding US history to excuse your racist views on BLM.

America has a unique and terrible history regarding, specifically, black people. They have been treated worse than any other group by far, there is only one comparison and that's Native Americans. Even they weren't stolen from their lands and systematically enslaved for centuries purely to benefit southern european plantation owners.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Centuries of slavery for millions of black people who often lived their whole short lives and died in nothing but servitude and suffering merely because they were unlucky enough to have been snatched from africa or born to people who were snatched from africa gets somehow equated to 3-4 years of unlawful imprisonment for a few thousand recent voluntary immigrants?


Puffnstuff you truly know nothing of the history of this country if you can say that with a straight face. Either that, or you're just racist against black people and feign absurd amounts of ignorance regarding US history to excuse your racist views on BLM.

America has a unique and terrible history regarding, specifically, black people. They have been treated worse than any other group by far, there is only one comparison and that's Native Americans. Even they weren't stolen from their lands and systematically enslaved for centuries purely to benefit southern european plantation owners.

Um, do you even know when the United States of America was formed? If we follow your example every white person in this country would get reparations for the Salem Witch Trials. President Lincoln did something about slavery on behalf on the government. These are travesties under different circumstances and I don't feel like slavery, conducted by a pre-U.S. organization is the same as an interment camp roundup of actual citizens who did nothing wrong. Native Americans were wronged so they should get their own month too, right? Face it, BLM wants superiority for blacks period!